Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 3. (Read 2967 times)

Well, what you say is a well-known reality, as far as I am concerned, I am a person who, when it comes to casinos, now I read everything that has been and will be, to avoid bad times in the future, because it just so happens that if something extraordinary happens in our favor, then the casino comes out that it was an error, or a bug or that due to the change in Tos things cannot be done as one wants but as determined by the casino, if a casino changes the rules of the game at any moment without prior and obvious notification that this is an abuse and absurd because they do things so badly because they have to change the rules so that later the changes show that the change they made is within the normal range? It seems to me that it is illegal, dishonest and quite primitive because things like this will only lead to a bad outcome of things, for this reason I always have to be very careful with that, it is not that we check them every day Cough, because that would be something That doesn't make sense, not to me, apart from the fact that I don't like to be reading the same thing all the time, it's another reason, and when a person agrees to comply with the Tos, they should at least notify that when changes are made, the player you must accept those new rules.

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

That Information is very good , so what organization is it? the SEC or something like that ? Because in General these are the Organizations that Give hard to the sites that are fraudulent , and here is when all that KYC is Justified , the Licenses that everyone talks about and Especially the things that possibly Natural persons do to have more security , this is the story that Everyone is Given so that they can do the KYC , that the Security that now Everything is more Reliable and all those things that they Always promote, in this order of ideas we as Good players must have Completely Things are Clear When playing in a Casino like this , but it is good That they Inform which is the Entity that does that.

A couple of companies that involves in this kind of practice are already known with red flags to warn others from falling victim to their ethic of practice that always left the customers at lost at all time and due to their constant editing and changing of terms and conditions just to favour the casino's shady practices, the team behind such casinos already have insider law enforcer who helps them cover up from their case getting escalated so even if aggrieved players should make a report against such site to the law enforcement agency, their wint pick the case up by bringing such casino to book.

This has paused a high limitation on how those who are cheated using this practice get justice, so even if you have all the evidence, getting justice and possible recovery will be hard at some point.

Some terms and conditions can be very elongated to the extent that you might keep getting yourself confused if care is not taken.
This is why it is very important for us to use simple casinos that will not stressed us with a lot of articles to read and comprehend.
There are some casinos that doesn't send updates on terms and conditions to customers, most time it is done selectively especially by dubious casinos using that to make some gamblers to lose big funds since they are not aware of the new update.

It totally agree into this point on which not all people or gambler would really be able to remember on what they do have read up with those TOS earlier or on the time that they had registered on the site but

somewhat they would really be focusing into those details like having no KYC or restricted countries or making use of VPN will really be their main concern and tends to check it out on which it isnt really that
new that each one of us would really be in concern with these things. If ever there would be some changes then its true that they should really be that specific at least if they do really want for their players to be wary about those changes. It do really sucks if you do find yourself get caught on some problems just because you had missed out on that sudden change of terms but its true that not all would really be that mindful about such changes. If ever the site or platform would really be providing out those changes or notifications then it would really be just that nice for its players to be able to know on what changes
and this it would be always be that best if you would really be able to see and for the sake of transparency then this is whats recommended or preferred.

But most of the time is that the notification is not specific, most casino will only notify that they have just changed the terms but players need to find what is/are the changes.
If this happen, can you as player find the change? You cant, unless you have the full terms before the update.
Even if you have read the whole terms in the beginning, I'm sure that you will not remember all the things and you wont notice if there is a change.
Casino should notify and specify the changes to be fair, but most of the time we will not get the detail.

in most casinos, maybe I wouldn't even be wrong if I said that more than 90% of all casinos that exist in this cryptocurrency market have put in their TOS that they reserve the right to change the TOS without prior notice to customers, being so this forces every person to see the TOS every day, see that this is something that makes no sense since when people create an account they read the tos and agree with what is at that moment in the tos, but many casinos are they take advantage of this and put a section in the tos where it says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without prior notice

if it were in the real world or in companies regulated by the government, this part of the tos would not be valid, but even in the casino of the casinos that are licensed to operate worldwide or at least in most countries of the world, then it is difficult to know in court the customers would have to complain about this kind of things in case some casino confiscates their fund using tos that was changed after the customer created an account. this is one of the disadvantages of using online casinos that are new and use everything against customers

in addition to that part of the tos that says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without notifying people, in casinos there is also a part in the tos that says that the casino can confiscate the customer's money in case the casino detects any suspicious activity . but it's kind of funny because they don't talk about what they consider suspicious activities, i.e. it gives them the power to confiscate people's funds whenever they want and they never present evidence and nobody asks for proof, I've seen it here on the forum

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes. And the casino will also not try to take advantage of the TOS change because it is not feasible and will affect the trust of its users, who already trust the casino to play gambling. And yes, the latest TOS updates from Stake.com are provided when users log in to their accounts so that users can immediately read and understand them before they start gambling.

And other reputable casinos will also do the same because it means that the casino has given notice to all its users. And if a user is complaining about a change happening in their casino, they probably still need to read about the change in the TOS so they are complaining about the problem.

You are right, whenever it comes to things for the Tos it is delicate , many people focus that they can change the Tos as long as the counter is shown and that the players accept, it is very true, when Stakle.com made its change of Cough , it appeared, you could read it and apart from that you were given the option to accept or not, this was a very transparent act, things in this casino are the most affordable, for me it is the best casino in the world, here in the forum is a worthy example to follow, all casinos try to do their best to look like the best , as the case that they want to copy some things from stake.com, from bitcasino, io, they are casinos that really have a lot to do with me speak up and be the best example.

For the Tos I think that I am leaving very delicate, a casino cannot be changing the Tos pasi like this and why it seems to be only correct, I do not think that things should be treated that way, personally I think that when they are Dealing with these things is what defines a casino, because they are its laws, its rules, what must be complied with yes or yes, and that can be protected from any problem.

The casinos that make changes in their Tos without the consent of the users, it is something that is not legal, I see it as a lack of respect, and in reality a casino like this is not worth it, for me a casino when it changes it should do so public manner, but if the case changes according to how the user commitment follows, that is something that is not legal, or when you see that there is a casino that always does that, it is better to leave, there are also many casinos that they are excellent, and that they are very nice to play.

At this point , it is best to go to a casino that is reliable, that has a very good Reputation and that part of this provides security to its players, who will never be robbed or something similar, because through Tos you can steal the money from the users, and it is something that is not Honest.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

That T&C line is nothing but garbage. These casinos think they can pull a fast one on hardworking people like us? Not on my watch! You've got a point when you say that users should approach the site cautiously if something feels off. But let me tell you, the moment you sense that something's not right, it's already too late

Following their demands blindly? Not the way I operate. We've got to show these money-grabbing establishments that we won't be pushed around. So, if they don't want to notify users about changes, that's on them. But when they start acting shady, we've got every right to put the pressure on them

Spreading the word about their bad practices on community forums? That's just the beginning. These casinos should be quaking in their boots when they think of crossing us. It's high time they understand who truly holds the power: the users

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

For me though, I believe that casinos does have such power or right to modify their terms and conditions, and not inform their users about it, only if they have specifically and categorically made it clear in their terms and conditions that, they have a right to modify the terms and conditions without prior or aftermath notice to their users, and also make it clear to their users that its is their responsibility to periodically go through the terms and conditions to stay updated with latest and unannounced changes.

I believe with such a line as the above included in the terms and conditions, users who read it and still go ahead to agree to it are doing or did so at their own peril, because personally, i legitimate casino with no interior or scam motives will not include such a line, but must make sure to announce to their users when their terms and conditions is going to be updated, or notify their users when they have modified their terms and conditions, i mean it cost nothing to do so aside sending out  a couple of buck emails.

It's true that casinos often update their rules without necessarily getting agreement from users. But it's good to know that any changes shouldn't put users at a disadvantage. The casino is expected to treat everyone fairly and, of course, when someone hits that jackpot, the withdrawal process should be smooth sailing.

Gladly on my own experience, when chagnes on my online casino I'm playing with, stakes, vbet" notifies users about their changes days before. So when having withdraws I have bit adjustment when I am directly affected with the updates of services.

The casino does have the right to modify or add new terms and conditions without agreement with the user, but the new policy must not be detrimental to the user, the casino still acts fairly and is responsible for paying the jackpot withdrawal without making it difficult for any reason. We may not be able to do anything if the casino decides to unilaterally harm the user, but we have control to report the casino to the community by including valid evidence, the casino will lose its users because gamblers do not use casinos that harm users, without users gambling will not operate and slowly the casino will go bankrupt unless the casinos fix everything before the big trouble comes along.

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

Whether the casino should notify the users or not, really depends on users on approaching the site if something unusual happened. We don't really know what will be the scenario if these casinos began questioning us. We should participate lightly and calmly to what they asked for and just follow what they want us to do.

We have no choice after all, right?

In case we already give everything and still have no sign from them of giving us a positive answer, we can act now to the next level by putting pressure on them. We can spread their bad approach to their users on some famous community forums and spam some complaints at some gambling site checkers.

You are right, if the top casino will notify the update of the terms and conditions with several strategies so that all users are aware of the updated TOS of the casino that has been changed or has been added other points, the most effective way is to announce in the pop-up information after the user has logged in to his account and the casino must send a notification to the user's email so that changes to the TOS are not debated in the future, but if the casino fails to change the TOS to the detriment of gamblers and the casino will not publish information on changes to users so that the casino blames users for ignoring the TOS.

Not only scam casinos, even the registered centralized company can also use this dirty tactics to rob their client of their fund.  One example is the Celcius company where the court settled the case that most of the clients cryptocurrency funds is own by Celcious because of the sudden changes on its terms of service.[1]


This is what a shady centralized casino does if they don't want to part with the players' money.  It is very frustrating and annoying if shady casinos use this tactic to hinder their client withdrawal when the player cleanly won the amount.

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[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-judge-says-celsius-network-owns-most-customer-crypto-deposits-2023-01-05/

Many scam casinos normally manipulate there terms and conditions in a way to steal from there customers. This normally happens when a gambler want to make a withdrawal especially when the money is big.

He can be asked to do urgent KYC which might never be approved with so many excuses to based on there terms and conditions to disqualify the player. We need to always make sure that we are not too freaky about the bonus we can get from casinos but we should always have it in mind that making a small mistake can cause us to lost our entire funds if we end up on a bad casino.

I think I've stated this here before, every casino should copy from what stake did when they updated their terms and conditions, they lock all their users out of their accounts, that is, you can login to your account by-pass the accept new terms and condition pop up which cover the whole screen, that is, stake forced all their users to make sure to read and accept the new terms before they are allowed access into their account proper, this is the best strategy, much better than sending emails, with this strategy, even though I personally believe that many gamblers are still going to accept the updated terms and conditions without reading it, I still believe this is much better than sending emails which users might not even take notice off, or will allow to sit there for several days or weeks without opening it, and some have trashing system which trashes mails in the inbox that have not been read for a set period of time.