Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 5. (Read 2967 times)

One of the things that they could possibly abuse out because its true that most users or gamblers doesnt really check often about some changes in TOS. Come to think that even on the time that you do register, you

wont really be minding on reading up this whole pile of text which you would really be just directly check out that check box then proceed to play.This is why you cant really be able to tell whether they had changed it or not but it would really be always better or good to look at if the said company or platform would really be definitely be making out some announcement or words about such update for some transparency.
Using up this against on their users is really that a scammy behavior on which it is really that something that we should really avoid if we dont really like that headache.
This is why if you do have plans on engaging on gambling and choosing up some platform which are reputable and popular which you can somewhat assure that you wont really be cheated out
which this is the most important thing of all.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Talking about casinos that intend to cheat from the beginning, it is very clear that they do not need terms and conditions, it is just a formality, because they will leave after getting a lot of profit.
But when talking about casinos that are decent and reliable and include terms and conditions that we must follow, then it is natural that they do not talk directly about what they mean in their terms and conditions.
Maybe it will be confusing for beginners, but for people who have been in gambling for a long time, the terms they use will also be well understood.

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Anyways, those who want to run the scam business for a longer duration, they may use these methods to fool people and later justify themselves with the hope that the player agrees, think he was at fault/mistake and continue playing at the same gambling site.

Do you really think that if you read every word, you'll be safe? A fool! Terms and conditions change, and these casinos sometimes play games that are more complicated than the ones they show.

Reviews help, no doubt. But lets face it: sorting through reviews and figuring out which ones are true and which ones are paid for is a bet in and of itself. Some people's blind trust in them is funny.

Jumping into a game without knowing how deep it is? Thats like going into the woods without a plan and not caring about getting lost. But I have to give you props for realising: KNOW the rules. Dont just know them, though. Ask them questions and take them on. Because in this big world of lies, the best thing you can have is understanding, not luck.

Reading every user's reviews on this forum takes some time, but it is useful for those who want to find a suitable casino to gamble to avoid the shady casinos that are everywhere. But once they find the casino, they also have to make sure to understand all the rules that are in place in the casino so they don't accidentally break the rules. And if they don't understand something, they can ask the support service so nothing bad might happen.

After everything is in order and they understand what can and cannot be done while gambling at the casino, they can register and start depositing some money. And a trusted casino will also always notify its users of something important regarding changes to the rules so that all users can know and comply with the rules.

There is one problem that any player who has been gambling for a long time and uses different casinos has probably faced.  This problem is that no matter ho well you learn ToS, in a real game, situations can still arise that you have to contact support. 
In part, you can find out about possible problems in advance by reading the reviews of real players on the forums, including our forum, where, as you all understand, the information about a particular casino in the corresponding topic is reliable and usually accurate. 
But reading user revievs takes quite a lot of your time and not many players are ready to engage in such reading of information instead of just quickly starting to play at the casino.  So far from all the nuances of the casino, which you enter for the firsst time, you can know in advance. 

But I agree that you still need to learn the rules to the maximum before you start playing and depositing your money in this casino.

Have been normal depend with many user complaint about their account freeze or banned permanent, first of term of service from gambling platform website is available withdrawing and deposit fund without KYC, after winning and get jack pot trough fund increasing up above $5,000  will face difficult for withdrawing. All gambling platform suddenly change their term of service from first registering allowed all withdraw and deposit activities without KYC but they change need submit KYC when huge amount withdrawing.
I think need against when gambling platform change suddenly with their term of service actually make difficult for user withdrawing their fund with huge amount.

Well, things when it comes to regulation are quite strong because we only see the case of XRP and the victory they had over them, that gives a lot of confidence to cryptocurrencies in general, now the issue with the casinos and their regulations, that depends Wherever they are, I think that these things are what casinos have to pay close attention to where their headquarters are going to be, in addition to the fact that licensing regulations sometimes affect people from countries where they like to play a lot and they cannot play because it turns out that the regulations do not allow some countries to be banned, and that is something I don't like, I don't like that nobody is or has a ban, and everything depends on the governments and those demands that affect others in one way or another .

So apart from these things we should always see that when it comes to casino rules you have to read them and see if that casino really works for us or not, that's something we should consider, but how to tell those novice players ? How to let them know those things that are so necessary and do not take the blows that most of us have taken? Here in the forum one would like to protect people in some way so that they don't get Scammed , so they don't see this about the cainos as something bad, about some things you always have to read , to those who don't like to read, say something like . "If you don't want to lose your money, you should always read" and the Uncles, who are so many, must be read, understood well, because you can read a lot, but if you don't understand things, it's difficult for it to work, despite the demands that that occur in casinos are their own, some rules are their own and others go hand in hand with the country where the casino is Located.

When the casino is in a demanding country, it is difficult for it to change the way things are done, because they have their own rules, and when it comes to governments, it is the spoon that nobody likes, in fact I think that Nobody likes Regulations , or having additional rules imposed upon them once they are Accepted.

There is a standard for gambling regulation but there is no standard for crypto regulation. Even the gambling regulations differ for jurisdictions. So, as crypto embraced gambling, there are no standard rules in their marriage. Even till today SEC is finding it difficult to differentiate between ordinary token and securities.
Generally the gambling owners and the gamblers are not even interested in the legal part. They only begin to review it when the need arises. But time proceeds, there will be more regulations and clear laws guiding the activities of crypto gambling.

I say one thing, whenever we are going to enter a casino they make us sign or accept the initial terms and conditions, but unless it is said in those Tos, that when you enter the platform, the Tos will be changed, that is something else, but in the case that the Tos are changed, each player must be asked to accept the new Tos, that is the most common, the most logical and the most honest, I say that it should be done, there is no ota, in not the chaos, because things would be totally violated, that is what should be, whoever tells me that the Tos are changed at all times for the convenience of the casino, that does not work for me and that is my way of thinking, no I think I'm wrong for thinking like that.

In fact, when we sign any contract, those terms do not fit because that is a violation of the contract, it is a violation of what is contracted, because we as players cannot change things in a casino, because then things get ugly For the player who is even seen as a scammer, then I think things should be totally transparent, because if not, then don't say that they have to accept the Tos, otherwise they're going to Respect it , that doesn't make any kind of Sense to me.

Now, having said these things, I don't Know , it may be that there are people who don't care if they don't care, but in my case I do care, because it's money that is at stake, and the most likely thing is that in Those changes are the one who loses out is the player , it's always like that.

I had seen the case of a casino where they had a good Referral Program , and it has been very successful, but now it turns out that these Tos are combined and people do not earn the same as before, that is, all the work that was previously done is no longer It's no use because obviously people now earn Less, because the casino takes a Percentage from them of what they Earn , so that's not playing fair, it's okay that the casino has the right to win all the time , but not in a such a cheeky way, when you see a Casino like this I don't play or Recommend it.

Obviously, casinos adjust government regulations so that they feel the need to change their rules so as not to violate these government regulations. And the casino must inform all its users that they changed their rules because they are following government regulations or directions. And its users must also understand that the casino has no intention of cheating its users, but that's because the casino doesn't want to violate government regulations. Big casinos will be responsible for always disclosing anything related to their business so that there are no misunderstandings between the players and the casino.

At least the user has to make sure everything is done so that there are no misunderstandings with the casino and the user can remain comfortable playing gambling at the casino. But that is a choice for the users themselves because if they still want to play gambling at the casino, they will follow and obey the rules. But if the users don't want to, they will leave the casino and look for another casino. And we as users also have to ensure that the casino where we play gambling is still comfortable so we don't have to look for another casino.

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

I agree with you and any casino that has the goal of developing to be able to compete to become one of the best casinos, they will never dare to issue a response or statement like that because it can make customers disappointed and leave the casino so instead and can go bankrupt because it is considered a shady casino and dishonest to all customers.
But it's different from casinos, which really aim to build a business to make it bigger and more popular, so they will notify all customers every time there is an update, either for TOS or other information.
So far I have never known or seen a casino change its TOS without the approval of a customer and almost all the casinos I have used always provide information regarding updates to seek approval from every existing customer.

most casinos and if i am not wrong i can even say that more than 70% of casinos in their TOS they say that they reserve the right to change any part of their TOS or even the whole TOS without prior notice, of course in terms ethical and legal this is not a good practice, but even so some or most of the casinos have done this, if we look at the TOS of paypal or ebay which are big companies they when they change their TOS send an email advising that in a few weeks it will enter A new part of the TOS is in force and they show that same part in which it will come into force and tell the customer that in case of not agreeing, the customer is free to no longer use paypal or ebay services

In my country, companies also do this, they notify customers 30 days in advance and ask customers to read carefully the part where it will be changed and in case the customer does not agree with that change, then the customer is free to choose another company, this is something ethical and legally acceptable. but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

I think any shady casino will force the users to agree with the ToS even if they are against the will or you can say against the rights of the users. The casinos that update their ToS without the knowledge of its users is somehow doing cheating with the users because the new conditions can be really tricky and most of the users may not even know about the updated ToS because only few people read ToS after initial agreement.

Straight out because there is a red flag already, anyone betting there is doing so at their own detriment.  But then no casino and even the dishonest ones will be bold enough to make such statement. Such a statement will scare people away from the site unless for people who do not bother to read ToS before using the site. The ToS side of every website is strictly the legal part of the project and should be treated as that. Changing the ToS without the consent of the customers is tantamount to rewriting a written agreement without the knowledge of one party and yet still having their signatory there.

It's like saying, if there's anything happen or if there's anything changes on the website without you knowing, then it will be your problem. Well that's reasonable but it is also the website tipping their hands telling you that they don't want to be accountable with your account even though you let them handle your funds or invested money. You cannot say that these websites where cheating but it only lessens their credibility.

Not always mate, their are times where one will follow up all the do(s) and don't of a Casino and still fall into the trap of the Casino freezing the gamblers funds, most times this is all depends on the casino's reputation, their are those who are just their making unecessary excuse to why they don't want to pay a particular gambler when looking at those excuse the gambler appears to be free from any form of cheating, but the Casino won't still credit them of their winnings. The part following the ToS and not following help user alot in determining how free they can be when it comes to what they can be accused of or not.