Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 8. (Read 2954 times)

Now that's what all existing gamblers should learn and understand, especially for those beginners who don't want to find out all the information or read every provision in the faq or tos of gambling sites.
If gamblers are willing to read all the casino rules then it is unlikely that they will in the future object to any verification rules or the like that have been written there.

I understand that reading high-fives and FAQs is boring, but when a problem occurs it is they themselves who experience difficulties, so feeling a little bored at the start of entering a gambling site is not a problem, but in the future we can be free from problems that could occur.
Only stupid people blame gambling sites because of their own fault breaking casino rules.

I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

Verification procedures and jurisdictional restrictions are standard aspects of licensed online casinos; they're not there as a malicious intent to trick players. They’re about ensuring safety, legality, and fairness

Rather than jumping to conclusions and branding these platforms as dishonest, it's crucial to familiarize oneself with their FAQ and TOS. These resources offer clear explanations about the regulations and the measures casinos take to ensure customer identity and safety

Admittedly, no system is perfect, but casting aspersions without substantiated claims does a disservice to both the casino and the player community. We all have a part to play in creating a fair and secure online gambling environment

This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.

A terms of service is a contract, in this case between the casino and the player. The terms of service is in all cases I've seen, very prominently linked throughout the site. The player also has to indicate in most cases, that they've acknowledged and agree to adhere to this set of rules. That seems perfectly fair to me and you seem annoyed that people are held to the promises that they make? Often the terms are there to make the relationship simply defined because things have been abused in the past.

Yes, of course there are certain reasons for gambling platforms to ask for KYC and the user's full identity, usually small gambling platforms will complicate the withdrawal process and process reviewing the user's identity, except on large gambling platforms they will not make it difficult for user withdrawals and even they are honest with their users that it is a regulation that already exist so that it must be done to prevent money laundering or fraud being committed.

So as long as KYC is still considered normal it won't be a problem as long as a trusted gambling platform site is in this forum, I'm sure they will practice honest behavior, don't just because one gambling platform behaves dishonestly we all think that other casinos are like that too, not really , because a big and reputable casino will not make things difficult for all of its users.

That's right and it depends on each casino or exchange and as long as we can choose the casino or exchange, we definitely won't have any problem with them. And when you find a casino or exchange that is dishonest with their ToS, you can move on to other, more trustworthy places. We are users of casinos and exchanges and can choose the ones we want. Don't stick to one casino or exchange if that makes us uncomfortable with the service so that we can experience a different atmosphere. And both casinos and exchanges now require their users to verify their users. And if one person doesn't like one thing, they should look elsewhere until they find one that suits them.

It is correct that not all casinos are into fraudulent activities or are dishonest to their customers. We also understand that different jurisdictions have different laws that are guiding gambling in their area and a certain casino that is established in that area must follow the laws.
It is the process of licensing that the government that pressure casino to demand for extra kyc. But then there are some casinos that are looking for slight reasons to flag customers winnings. They open the door wide open during deposit and close it during withdrawal.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

In reputable casino they cannot experience that editing of TOS for them to get a conflict with it compare to unknown casino which sometimes do that so their players cannot withdraw their winnings especially when the amount is big. This is the important reason why we need to choose the best casino since it gave convenience and can make sure that we are playing safe platform with them. If we found out some casino do this actions then its better to report it here to warn other people so many can avoid and get compromised.

I agree that the player should avoid the shady casino and hop into a reputable casino platform.  But sadly it would be too late for the player to recover his funds and just have to move on with the losses.  It is really infuriating when we happen to stumble a pretending to be a good casino with their initial good TOS only to find out that they are tricksters by modifying their TOS in order to support their illegal actions and the player can't do anything about it but to just move on.

On the time that you would really be changing up or testing up some new casinos that you would be tending to do so then its always been ideal that you should be watching or researching for whatever feedbacks that
it would have neither positive or negative and if you do find out something not that nice then make some in depth research if its true or not or simply trying out to check a website or company but if you dont really like
some headache then it would really better that you shouldn't really be tending to risks out if you arent sure or your are really that hesitating.

A site that do make use of that TOS change for it to be the reason on why locking up users funds then it would really be creating that kind of impression that it is really indeed shady.
Legit casino sites would really be transparent as much as possible on which even on the slightest changes would really be having a corresponding announcement or alert
in about such changes or whatever actions they had made out.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

^Definitely right because reputable and legitimate casinos understand the importance of customer satisfaction and work diligently to establish a good reputation within the community, the same as here. They strive to create an enjoyable and fair gaming experience for their users. These trustworthy casinos prioritize their customers' needs and concerns, actively addressing any issues that arise.
Also, casinos that engage in deceptive practices, such as making frequent changes to their Terms of Service (TOS) without proper communication, are likely to be attempting to defraud their clients. Such establishments are more interested in maximizing profits at the expense of their customers' well-being and trust and probably these unethical actions can seriously harm the reputation of the casino and drive away potential users.

That is the fact,  any casino that is truly ready for business will do everything within their power to make sure that they satisfy the customer's and work out a way to build a good reputation that will increase their user based on the community,  and those casinos that have cases of change in the TOS changes and funny acts are set out to defraud their clients at all cost and their are not interested in building a reputable business in the casino.

We can easily spot such fake casinos with the ways their treat their clients issues and how the constantly changes the mode operation.

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

What I can do in These cases is Something very easy , let myself be Carried away by things that are not usually shady , those casinos that Remain in a good Treatment with their Clients and do not Leave anything crazy, they are Well focused and do not Change the Rules of the game , I have not been in Casinos that are like this , but at the Moment that the Rules Change for me and I see that the Rules are changing due to the processes in my Games , what I would look for Would be to withdraw what I have done if it is that I have money there, and then go Because I like to Protect myself from Sites that use Fraud, that want to take Advantage of the Slightest errors of a Player to get rich , and I Think that's the best.

The terms and conditions of some platforms changes over time and legalised betting platform would always inform their customers about a in their ToS or before they intend making any new rules and regulations of their platform, it is very good to go through the term and conditions of a platform, read through thoroughly and see if their new changed term is suitable for you, I've heard of situations where people get carried away by huge bonuses offered by some betting platforms and then would rush to create an account with the platform without even checking their term and conditions, reading a platforms ToS I's what most bettors fail to do because they feel it same with every other onces they've come across but no, different platforms ToS might looks similar but slightly different from eachother.

 It's only those platforms that are not legalised or those cloned by hackers that would come up with strategic ways of using the ToS to defraud users of their money asides that sometimes some legalised sites involves wagering demands and other policies for withdrawals and most people that didn't go through the ToS or skipped just to claim huge offers from the site, would have this issue and put the blames on the site owners, forgetting that they're the ones who fail to read and understand the platforms terms and conditions.

And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.