Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 7. (Read 2954 times)

A really sudden change in the rules of a casino, if it is not caused, of course, by force majeure circumstances, should always be perceived by the players of this casino with caution and should be taken as a signal in order to understand the reasons for such changes. 
I believe that serious large casinos should always notify their users of changes to the ToS in advance and with justification for the reasons for such changes. 
Another good reason, of course, is the requirements of the changed local legislation, which the casino cannot but take into account in its work.  But in this case, the notification is made in advance in a planned manner.  And the entry into force of the amended rules for using the casino takes place from some predetermined date. 

So, if a casino suddenly and insufficiently reasonably changes the rules for using their casino, this should always be suspicious.

Gambling websites reserve the right to change their terms and conditions at any time but must notify all their customers on their behalf. Otherwise, they must act outside the rules. This will make them suspect that they are not really being honest with any gambler. If anyone conducts their gambling on a fake or scam site then they are responsible for it and they are sure to lose their money. So before gambling must choose a good site otherwise one may get scammed.

It is like this , I remember very well when everyone was notified that the coughs were going to change, and in part, it seemed to me something normal in every casino , I did not see anything strange or Strange, or Suspicious , generally in stake.co They do things in a very transparent way and that everyone can see that there is nothing hidden.

Now, I know that there are sites that change their Tos without saying anything, or much less notify the players, and that is without a doubt a clear violation of the player's rights, and it is not something that looks very good or correct, of course In fact ,these types of things are totally reportable and the casino can receive a harsh sanction, because that is not done, in the particular case that it is done because a user or several users are earning a lot and things can change thanks to that, well it is something that is not right.

I have seen some casinos there, that have messed with affiliate marketing, and that the profits they had there no longer go completely to the Players but also to the casino , and I don't know very well if that movie could not be made So by the casino in favor of the casino, obviously those movements are the ones that harm the players, because many benefit from the affiliate programs and in fact people obtain passive income thanks to that , now the income is not the same, despite all the work that was done previously, this tells me that it may be a case of violation of the Tos, because the rules change from one day to the next and the people who are doing their recruiting work for the casino , well now they have to do the Double so that they can have the same profits , I also consider that it can be called a violation of the Coughs.


Of course, those things that are so simple for a casino but so significant for a player are not liked by anyone, because they limit you to win, in fact if you were earning with passive income there, they will no longer be the same, for me as far as In particular , behavior like this will make me leave the casino and not be there anymore , because in any case , I can't delete that facility or that program and that's it.

Now that's what actually happened, the Stake team has also given notification to all existing customers when there is a change in the rules or their Tos, so it's not quite right if someone says that Stake doesn't notify anyone of changes to the Tos, because it's clear on the initial page when entering there is also request for approval of the change.
Everything depends on us as customers whether to agree to it or not but what is clear is that the changes made by Stake are also for the common good and the operational continuity of the gambling site itself so that we as customers must accept any changes that exist.

I have been playing with Stake for a long time and every provision or Tos that has been changed has always been notified so that I can always understand these changes.

Some time ago I had made a dinner at stake.com, because it seemed incredible to me because everyone speaks highly of this casino, I started to play and it didn't seem bad to me , but I did receive a notification by email that they were going to make some changes and that they had everything to read, after I entered my account after a while they put the contract and I had to accept the last thing, and it's not a bad thing, things went very well, I didn't see anything strange so that they were going to harm some user or that they had an advantage over us , everything seemed normal to me, in fact I don't really know what they changed, I saw everything very well and Legal.

Have Stake really changed their ToS without informing their players and used such changes to deny any withdrawals?
I find it hard to believe as Stake appears to be quite caring about being law compliant, and such practices would be illegal in vast majority of civilised countries.
It probably wasn't a breach of agreement if they had a standard clause allowing themselves to make any changes without any notice. But they could be in compliance with the agreement but still break a law, as those are two different things.

Might be honest, but I doubt it will link to a breach of agreement. You know that gambling sites are very smart; they would always ensure that the TOS are always in their favor, so I don't think they will put themselves in a situation that will attract lawsuits. Now it will boils down to the debate of reputation as there are gambling sites that operate legally at yet they don't have a good reputation.

I agree if the casino doesn't support then nothing will happen when getting started with crypto KYC, it's also important to consider what resources or tools you can use to streamline or automate your processes. While most casino exchanges require KYC there are some platforms that do not require such verification. It is important to be aware of any potential risks associated with these casino platforms without doing KYC, as they may not have the same security and regulatory standards as other exchanges. If crypto becomes big then be willing to adapt your approach as the technology evolves.

Lately  I have seen this trending and if actually any casino does this, it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement. I have also seen Stake heavily linked to this behaviour but I never saw a thread that they (Stake), clarified themselves on this.

That is the simplest thing to do. But what happens is that some gamblers are so addicted to one casino because of their vip status, the  bonuses or the reputation of the company. So, they do no find it comfortable leaving the casino.

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

I completely agree with you bud, little things as this is how most of us know casinos that are transparent to their users and those that are not, terms of service or condition of any organization is a very sensitive document or part of that organization, it is what binds the organization and the customers to a mutual understanding, any one, be it the company or the customer , who against what is contained in that document is liable to getting a lawsuit or facing some punishment, gambling casinos that understand this and ready to keep building their reputation always respect what is written in their terms and conditions or service,  they must never fail to communicate any changes to this document with their customers, no matter how insignificant they think the changes are, it is the customers 100 percent right to know.
I think every gambling casinos should copy from what Stake did when they updated their terms of service, they forced every customer to read and accept the new terms before they are granted access into the casino, that is what every online gambling casinos should be doing or do anytime they update their terms of service.

The normal way to approach this is that whenever a gambling company makes changes in their terms of services. They should rightly communicate such to their customers through email or media publication. If the customer said want to continue playing it is left for them. Could it be that the gambling owners might see that a particular change is not that important and therefore is not necessary to communicate to the players. If it is not necessary, why make the changes then?
If there is a change even in the arrangement of sentence that does not affect the meaning, it should ould be communicated to the gamblers. Otherwise no changes should be made.

You correctly noticed that a client may try to "clean up" his cryptocurrency by introducing it to an exchange or to a gaming crypto platform, such as a casino, poker, or a betting service. It's hard to imagine how much work lawyers and data analysts have, who double-check incoming funds on huge services, for example, such as binance, because there is a huge flow of users, and even if one introduces a cryptocurrency that has previously appeared in illegal actions, then the exchange /gambling service will have problems, since the service can be blamed aiding and abetting illegal actions.

That is the fact most of the casino who cares about their reputation tend to follow every rule and regulations and can only punish players on the violation of their terms and conditions and in most cases before there be a substitution to any rule on the terms and conditions of their service, they tend to make proper briefing and creating enough awareness for the players so at to be able to stay away from any possible regulatory punishment that can come along with their decisions of changing the rules if there don't follow the proper guidelines.

But then also,  we have some other casinos that may not abide by these laydown rules and may decide to operate as a fraudulent casino that can easily break their terms of service just to scam the players and keep on defending themselves for a long time,  so those are the class of casinos we must stay away from to avoid losing all our balance on them.

The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Certainly. The silver lining, AFAIK, is some licensed games are required different regulation requirements than others. Furthermore, each casino software or slot provider also applies a set of different terms requirements for their own games. It is a complex process to ensure the casino and provider is compliant with its respective regulation.

Moreover, as a piece of information, obviously, it is stated in the casinos' terms of service. Some providers or casinos did not support some countries. Some games are also, only available in some countries. So it is clearly stated about those terms.

That is the reason why it's important for a gambler to read the terms and conditions of a casino before signing up and especially before making a deposit, because if they do that, they would know the rules and everything and they can also have an idea if the platform is good or not, if they don't like the terms and conditions of the casino, they should simply avoid using it and try and find another platform that has different terms and conditions that they like more.

But, most of the time, gamblers don't read the terms and conditions only because they are long and boring and require some time as you will need to read through it all which becomes the reason for later running into problems. If a gambler doesn't want to read the terms and conditions, they should only use casinos that are already trusted by the community.

Maybe he's talking about before since this KYC is not necessarily needed but time change when crypto became big and government institution notice some business running using this and now every reputable or old platforms need to conduct this requirements to their users. I guess there's no problem about it as long as the casino is reputable and have strong community that supports it.