Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 10. (Read 2954 times)

That's right. Before playing in the casino of your choice, always take a little time to read their rules so you won't be clueless but careful not to violate any of it. It's a basic thing to do but some of us are too complacent. Even you're just using a small amount for your gambling activity, it's not a reason to disregard the ToS.

Therefore, if you violate the rules because of being unaware then it's your fault. Unless they changed what's written on their ToS without notifying their players, well that's a different matter.

If you start sending big amount to the casino, it is your very own responsibility to check the terms of the site.
Because whatever happens is your fault because as a player, you have the responsibility to know their ToS.
They put it in place as a common ground for both players and the owner, absence of this will give them a messy management of their casino.
So for me, some of these accusations also root from the ignorance of the players, and not entirely the casinos fault.

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

With your suggestion. Player should read the very long content of the ToS everytime he will play on the website so that he can assure that the he can remember the rules always? This is the most tiresome way of gambling since casino ToS is TLDR which a normal gambler will find very stressful while we are just having fun as purpose of gambling. ToS is not that complicated if you are just a regular gamblers that doing a regular bets without any abused on the casino promotion.

No one is willing to memorize the casino ToS before they play because impossible and mood killer. Just play on the casino that has a good reputation so that you can assure that their ToS is always fair for their customers. Only shady casino like 1xbit will deliberately use ToS against user while reputable casino like Livecasino will always be fair on regular gamblers that knows the basic rule of the casino which is not that complicated and self explanatory.

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

That is the fact and the blame should be on the gambler most because of the failure to read the document and properly interpret its terms and services and how best to avoid breaking the rules because all casino has their own special and peculiar rules guiding their activities.

The mistakes I have also noticed that players make is the fact that they tend to contradict the TOS or misunderstood it because they already read a TOs document from casino A there will not read that of casino B thinking that the documents and rules will be the same for Casino A and B we're as it differs both in writing and applications.

If the player has never read the TOS then scammed gambling has the opportunity to blame the player for not understanding the basic provisions before betting on a particular gambling platform, but if the TOS changes without notification then the player has never read the TOS repeatedly because he does not suspect any points have changed, my advice to archive the TOS gambling article link or take a screenshot of the TOS to save on your device.

If we have evidence of TOS changes from archive links and screenshots then we must immediately report gambling on the alleged fraud board to prevent losses from other gamblers. They will immediately check your report, if it is proven it will be marked as scam gambling and no forum members are gambling using their gambling platform.

But sometimes,  we can't blame the player for being too lazy not to read the terms and conditions of casinos before making deposits and playing on them,  even though the seizure of the document is a major point of disagreement for the gambler which has become the ground at which casino always win cases that arise from such mistakes.

Also, another point to note also is that some scam casinos always edit the TOS frequently as a way to favour their case and this have been discovered several time.

Yes, always what we sometimes do not Look at when we enter a casino and especially because of the bonuses, contests, only the adrenaline makes us enter, is what we always Observe, I am a person that I have seen in some other threads out there some casinos change their coughs, and that is something that should not be, Because generally they do it to Benefit the casino in general and that is something that they should not do and if they do it they should participate so that they can all be aware , but doing it at all times and without the consent of a Community can sometimes look very bad.


Well, but we all know that stake.com is a very different casino that has a unique legitimacy and authenticity over the years, the reputation in the casino and all its games is a good image of what it represents to have or be a great casino , I don't know if you've seen it, but when it comes to having the best casks in the stake.com forum , it always rises, if it's not first, then not third place, of course when it's someone who has a point of view Regarding the reviews very good and what is impartial.

There are other casinos that are very good and that have a lot of future , that do things very Well, and that can be the best in any Sense , in this case I am talking about stake.com because it has always Stood out as One of the Best in The World.

Most people would not think to want to read such long terms that it takes more time to digest what is written there. They will only immediately agree because they want to play gambling at the casino immediately.

But when they are later faced with a problem, they will immediately contact the support service to ask for clarity on the problem. And they're just starting to take the time to read the rules when they're breaking them. And the casino itself may want to explain all the rules in detail so the casino does not intend to summarize and outline the rules. And often, users really need help understanding the meaning of the rules so they will immediately press the agree button.

If these consumers are wise, they may read slowly and try to digest it so they understand and will not try to break any rules in the casino. But usually, if there is a change in the rules, the casino will notify the user so that they will check it immediately before playing gambling.

I don't see anything that calls for worrying oneself on the issue of discussion concerning recent experience with the stake.com gambling platforms, all they requested is for you to complete a KYC procedures required to have a good catch on every elements of money laundering attempts, i hope by now the conditions given is not what ordinary person cannot afford to give knowing that they are KYC casino.

Businesses' main concern in terms of services is compliance and protection/defending their own legal rights. They did not have the motive to make it easily digestible, instead, the regulation force them to make that happen. If I'm not mistaken, there is a regulation that enforces businesses should make the ToS/TnC contains less legal language, and the thing as you've said, summaries and bullet points.

If we look at a similar approach to business and customer relations, we are aware of how irritatingly we have to click the cookie consent. That is also part of regulation, the problem is does it effective to make the customer become more aware of their rights? I don't think it significantly affects them, instead, it just annoys people.

Indubitably, you've raised a critically important point. Yet, "Terms of Service" - or as I often refer to them, "The Literature of the Law" - aren't simply relegated to the doldrums of 'not-so-important' by a dismissive 21st century audience. In truth, they're often presented in such a manner - dense, lengthy, filled with legal jargon - that even the most conscientious among us are discouraged from thorough perusal.

Let's take the instance you mentioned, when 'Stake' updated their ToS. An interstitial approach was adopted, meaning no user could access their account without acknowledging the updated ToS. However, did the action truly compel users to read the document? Or did it simply create an additional hurdle to the pursuit of their gambling activities?

This 'checkbox compliance' is, in essence, a Band-Aid solution. Rather than merely ensuring a user 'agrees' to the ToS, businesses should strive to make them easily understandable and engaging. Utilise summaries, bullet points, visuals - bring them to life! Once users feel that ToS are more accessible and less of a chore, perhaps then we'll see an uptick in their widespread consideration.

It is extremely important that in every casino their terms and conditions are there visible so that any player or non-player of the casino has them available, long before each registration, or they should be so detailed that they should do something else, a video or something similar to those gamers who are very lazy and don't like to read very much, when it comes to games there are always people who are like that, they don't like to read and it's important, so it's good that they could make explanatory videos of their terms and conditions, it's something that It just occurred to me, but that would help a lot, it would be something new and it doesn't look bad at all.

So far, on all the years i have been aware and able to see about certain situations here on this forum and on the gambling field, i havent able to encounter those kind of complaints about TOS violation because of sudden change or update on what are those things been written on their or just simply i have do miss up those things and there are ones who are really that experiencing it.Any alterations from the terms and conditions is something that cant really be known publicly unless if it would be announced or something like that about such update.

We cant really make out some complaints though because most of the time on which gamblers doesnt really read up this long pile of text on which if that certain casino would really be giving out emphasis
that a certain user had violated something againsts their Tos then it would really be no point on making out some argumentation.

We need to always ensure that we test many of the casinos we are using so that we are not going to fall victim if any terms and conditions problems. There are some casinos that are very harsh on there terms and conditions and if any gambler eventually break any if there rules, The customer might end up losing all the funds in the account. Casinos are making big profits from gamblers and they can easily cheat there customer based on there terms. It is important for us to understand these terms because it will not be funny when we are not able to access our account again due to what we are accused of.

You are very correct, casino updating their terms of service without informing their users of the changes is already very dubious morally, if mandatory information to users by the casinos of updated terms of service is not included as a law, then I personally think the licensing body should consider marking this a mandatory rule for the casinos..

Some weeks back when stake updated their terms of service, every user was locked out, and until the user reads and accept the updated terms of service, that is only when the user be allowed into his or her account again, this is the same style I think every other Casino out here should emulate.

I don't really think that casinos are required by law to inform their customers about any changes they make in their terms and conditions nor does their licensing firms make sure about these things, and they mention it in their terms and conditions most of the times that they are not obliged to inform the users if they modify a rule or add another one, and that it is users' own responsibility to make sure that they frequently check and read the rules.

But to be honest, that is now how it should be and it is not morally correct, and those casinos or platforms that really care about their customers and are running legit business for many years would definitely inform their users about any changes they make in rules and regulations.

Well, that is ridiculous and absurd. Terms of service changes reflect with that the business needs. Certainly, the features or any decision are already planned, so any terms change should be done the after the project updates completion.

Besides, that is not simply how it works, it is ludicrous to update the TOS for future updates. It gives an unnecessary burden to the team, instead of developing the project/features first.


Indeed, agreeing to and reading terms and conditions is the biggest lie on the internet. I didn't blame the user or the platform, but such kind of text sometimes also is not made to be easily read concisely.