Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 6. (Read 2954 times)

Changes in the rules of the game in any casino in its ToS can occur for two main reasons. 
Firstly, these are the changes that the casino is forced to make due to the requirements of the changed local legislation in the financial sector or in the gambling industry. 
Secondly, changes in the rules may be caused by the desire of the casino to maximize its profits and for this somehow tighten or loosen the requirements for placing and withdrawing certain amounts on customer deposits.  But it is obvious that in both the first and second cases, the responsible large casino always notifies its players of such changes in advance by e-mail. 
So of course you should always read such messages and watch out if they accidentally end up in spam.


I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

I think the reason they fall under the scam is because the sites are not analyzed well. It is normal to use ToS but the gamblers have to check properly they fall into the trap of cheating with various information. A gambling friend of mine fell into the trap of such fraud. Therefore before checking the casino further. We do an investigation on a few key points that show us whether the casino is trustworthy or not. By doing proper research therefore as a player you can be sure that your money and winnings are safe by avoiding these casinos.

I cannot emphasize this more. These cunning casinos believe they can get away with cheating us easily. Changing the rules when it's convenient for them? Outrageous! You invest your hard-earned money, perhaps even succeed in winning a sizable sum, and then... wham! The goals are altered

Anyone who is reading this, look: Just play at reputable casinos. those who have a solid reputation. Why? since they respect you as a player and won't deceive you. You have a higher chance of competing fairly

Locking out players is also disgusting. But it does occur. A lot. Avoid such sketchy areas if you don't want to wake up with a locked account and a regret-filled heart. Keep with those we are familiar with and can rely on

By always checking e-mail or gambling accounts, we will always know if there is a notification from the casino notifying any changes in the casino. And you should always choose a big and trusted casino to avoid cheating by changing rules that the casino doesn't notify.

I agree with you not to hesitate to ask what casinos are trusted and have a reputation on this forum because there are sure to be many members who will give their advice. But still, they have to try one by one from the list of casinos provided by members here to find the casino they are looking for. Playing gambling is about the comfort and convenience of each member, of course, it will be different.

In this case, we must be wise gamblers who only deposit money after checking the applicable wagering requirements to avoid unwanted cases. And you have given things to do to avoid it and if they are new people who want to play gambling, they have to do it so they don't get into trouble.

The casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules at their casino. Only a shady casino will look for many reasons not to tell of a change in the rules at their casino because the casino really wants to cheat and take its members' money by cheating. So be careful when you want to deposit money at the casino.

Most times,  those shady casinos that change their terms and conditions of service at will are all targeting and selectively scamming their customers and most time you ain't have the ability to get out and even if you want you may end up losing your balance in the casino since they will make sure that they twist the terms and conditions when you already deposited and won a good amount.
It is best to only play on already known casinos with good reputations instead of risking your money with scam casinos,  most of the casinos that do this are also good at locking players' accounts without any notification and seeking clarification and redress is always almost impossible.

The only casino that I know that notifies player every ToS is Stake.com and the update will be popup when you login. I don’t know if others do the same but I don’t receive any email regarding change of ToS on any of my casino account for my 7 years of crypto casino experience.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

Unfortunately most casinos has the term that they reserve the right to change their terms anytime and most of them also did not notify their players about the change.
Even if they notify their players, most casinos will only say that they have updated their terms but they did not give clear clue about what is being updated.
Stake for example, they updated their terms some time ago and they notify players about it but most players do not really know what is new in the terms.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

We should also check emails frequently to check if there are any changes to the casino rules so we can find out immediately. But some customers need to check the rules first and go directly to their account to deposit some money and start playing. But when there is a problem, they think that the casino has turned into a scam casino even though it is their own fault that they did not check there was a change in the rules in the casino.

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

Most scam Casino out their main earning is from scamming users from their huge deposit or winning using their ToS as a right to confiscate users funds. And most gamblers falls victim to this as a result of always not making it necessary to read the ToS, only very few gambles will boldly say they fine out the time to actually read through Casino rules.

I haven't been a victim to such scam but I have come across friends which have, and in some situation it happens that the ToS are being changed or amended just either some days to when they got a target victim, or when they have already freeze someone's account, then they can Edit the ToS since it might not be easily identified as edited.

It's the best right? The only thing is that sometimes I don't realize these things, because normally if I enter a casino I look for my favorite game and start playing, I never or almost never go to the home page to verify, but this is a bad habit that I must Change for my own good, in the event that this happens to me with a casino, I immediately look to see if I have enough money to withdraw it and I go there, the bad thing is that if I have not been able to do my KYC that could take a while and they take me with the new rules or Terms and Conditions, it does not seem to me that a casino does these things, because it is not playing fair , it is Playing badly , to harm the person , it is as you say , better go.

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

That process is the standard operating procedure.  If any changes is done on the Terms of Service then it should be announced to all users.  Sadly not all casino does that.  They undermine the rights of their player by just implementing changes without notifying their users.  This often result in confusion and at the same time a lose to the users.  Although users have the responsibility to update themselves but they have the right to be notified if changes is about to happen.


If in case there are terms hard to understand, we can always ask customer support how that term works.  I bet they will gladly explain that term to us.

Thats a good gesture to be done by a casino and its not shocking for Stake to do so, considering that they are one of the most popular and old time running casino that we do have on which it is really just that right

that they would really be doing things to be transparent as much as possible on which this is the community do prefer and like the most.This is why it would really be just that wise that you should really be trusting and sticking with these kind of platforms which we do see that transparency and fairness is there. We know that issues and violations could really be possibly be applied on these sudden terms and conditions changes on which if this one is really happening on a casino which it isnt fair and legit then they would really be making out some possible excuses in this regard which it do really sucks if this one happens.

This should really be that standard and also i do prefer on having that pop out thing about those changes rather than on sending it on email since not all would really be having the time
on visiting out their emails on day to day basis on which this would be most likely be skipped out.

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

Liable is not the right term; it should be 'reserves the right to change any of the above terms...'. However, a regulated casino can only change its terms if it's lawful or would not violate the guidelines of a license provider. Therefore, there's nothing to worry about because as long as it's legal, it's usually right.

I know that casinos are smart and they will not put themselves in a situation that will endanger their activities in the eyes of the law. Are you suggesting that casinos will have a clause such as this in their ToS; The company is liable to change any of the above Terms of Service at any time even without the consent of their customers. If there be a clause like this, it therefore means that the casinos are free to change their terms of service at their discretion.

Nice to hear from you, if they (Stake), sent a notification to you via email and you later logged in and confirmed the change. It therefore means that they are not being fraudulent. When stories like this come up, many people always manufacture different versions of stories.

When someone has made it to the VIP level, there is usually a feeling of not wanting or being uncomfortable leaving the casino because they have made it to that VIP level. If they move to another casino, they will have to fight again from the bottom and it will require a lot of money to reach the VIP level in that casino. But the casino is not going to use its TOS against its users but the casino is showing that its users should be able to follow its rules and not try to break them.

That's right. Stake has notified all its users who log in to their gambling accounts via the notification they will see. But it is also up to each user to take the time to look at the changes in the rules so they can understand them and stay abreast of the new rules. All users are responsible for making sure they are aware of any changes. The casino must also notify if there is a change in the rules so that there is no accusation that the casino is using the change in the rules to deceive its users.

Agreeing to the rules or TOS of the casino is the user's responsibility because they have the option to keep using the casino even if the casino changes its rules one day. And if they object to the changing casino rules, they can move to another casino and the previous casino will surely allow them to move. We, as users, also have to be wise in dealing with regulations that might change again at the casino so that we can decide to keep using the casino or move to another casino. Don't feel forced to stay in the casino after it changes its rules, as plenty of other casinos may suit what they want.

Casinos don't use their ToS against their users, i will better advise that gamblers should always take heed to whatever requirements is needed from these casinos and they should make provisions for it, ToS are prone to review in which most of the users always got notified by their platforms on possible changes they may encounter along the line, this is not intended to abise the user's right but to reshape their policies and make them offer the best they have to give out to gamblers, exception are scam or untrusted casinos with no reputation, it's always important to make research on them before using any gambling platform.