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Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2023, 04:32:36 PM

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

Everyone or almost 100% wouldnt really be caring on reading up a huge pile of text on which it would really be just that normal that they would just ignore on whats written there. On the time that there would

be some changes then this is where risks would really be adding up because to those who arent aware of those updates or changes and able to commit out such violation would really be on trouble.

On the time that the platform would be pointing out on what they have done then it would be ending up on having no argumentation since you have violated something against on their updated TOS.
This is why it is really that important that reading up would be that always essential but well im also guilty with this because not all the time im really that a fan on reading up on everything.
I do just simply wants to play.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on June 17, 2023, 03:50:37 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 17, 2023, 04:32:36 PM

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Laziness shouldn't be the last point to call those gamblers who never care to read the TOS of casinos and when their fall into problems they tend to blame the casino, what I refer to them also as being stupid this is because, how can anyone risk their money by depositing into a site that you don't know their term and conditions.

These people who just signed up and do not read the TOS does not know the consequence of missing to understand the term and service. They might pay a price of being lazy to read the guideline of the casino and may even put their account to suspension since he might be doing things that is deemed illegal by the TOS.

This can't be possible under normal conditions only an addict will make such a move since the addiction is pushing him aside from that, any normal person will certainly be ready to read the TOS before even registering on the site.

No it happen even non-addicted player often missed reading the TOS of the gambling platform as they register to the site.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on June 17, 2023, 03:50:37 PM

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Laziness shouldn't be the last point to call those gamblers who never care to read the TOS of casinos and when their fall into problems they tend to blame the casino, what I refer to them also as being stupid this is because, how can anyone risk their money by depositing into a site that you don't know their term and conditions.

This can't be possible under normal conditions only an addict will make such a move since the addiction is pushing him aside from that, any normal person will certainly be ready to read the TOS before even registering on the site.

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Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

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Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

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Quote from: delfastTions on June 16, 2023, 03:10:13 AM

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on June 16, 2023, 02:14:57 AM

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I think that this is how most people gamble. Just like you.

And those players just want to have some fun and don't want to spend time reading TOS at all, and time is spent not only reading, but also understanding some of the more difficult points of TOS. And these points in the rules may be important in your future game in this casino.
Moreover, persuading players to carefully read and understand TOS in advance, in my opinion, does not make sense at all. All the same, almost no one will listen to you (with rare exceptions - attentive, responsible and cautious players) and will continue to play without taking into account the possibility of unforeseen situations at all.
Those situations that directly follow from the TOS of this casino. And then you will have endless correspondence with support, which could have been avoided and not wasted on them your precious time.

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 15, 2023, 04:09:53 PM

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino, I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that, while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..

Most gamblers just sign up and deposit to play disregarding the terms of service of the casino, that is why many were dumbfounded when they found out that their account were locked or suspended due to violation of the TOS.

I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

You are not alone, I used to sign up for deposit and play disregarding their TOS. It only occurs in my mind when something unusual happen like when I found my withdrawal request pending due to not meeting the minimum withdrawal or the needed wagering requirement. What I do is contact the support staff and then when I knew the error from my side, I cancel my request and started to wager to meet the requirement for withdrawal.

I think that this is how most people gamble. Just like you.

And those players just want to have some fun and don't want to spend time reading TOS at all, and time is spent not only reading, but also understanding some of the more difficult points of TOS. And these points in the rules may be important in your future game in this casino.
Moreover, persuading players to carefully read and understand TOS in advance, in my opinion, does not make sense at all. All the same, almost no one will listen to you (with rare exceptions - attentive, responsible and cautious players) and will continue to play without taking into account the possibility of unforeseen situations at all.
Those situations that directly follow from the TOS of this casino. And then you will have endless correspondence with support, which could have been avoided and not wasted on them your precious time.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 15, 2023, 04:09:53 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on June 15, 2023, 03:55:18 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 15, 2023, 04:09:53 PM

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino, I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that, while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..

Most gamblers just sign up and deposit to play disregarding the terms of service of the casino, that is why many were dumbfounded when they found out that their account were locked or suspended due to violation of the TOS.

I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

You are not alone, I used to sign up for deposit and play disregarding their TOS. It only occurs in my mind when something unusual happen like when I found my withdrawal request pending due to not meeting the minimum withdrawal or the needed wagering requirement. What I do is contact the support staff and then when I knew the error from my side, I cancel my request and started to wager to meet the requirement for withdrawal.

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I would also prefer to get a bookie or a house that is consistent on giving a weekly newspaper for updates. Not just for technical updates and changes but also with the promotion of their outgoing discounts and free plays/bets. Just said, legitimate and established casinos won't just change and shift their TOS and Terms and Conditions in an instant. If there is, there might be an anomaly behind that would prevent users from widthrawing thier funds or putting them in some kind of violations.

Usually, casinos or bookies give the option to subscribe to the news provided by the casino, but many gamblers don't pay attention to this and in the end don't choose to subscribe even though it can help them to find out if there are changes to the rules, attractive promotions or even codes that are given out for free.

I am one of those who often subscribe for casino newsletter and notification but I seldom check my email the reason why I always miss some important casino event and even freebies. When I think of it, I am missing a lot of good stuff that the casino offer because these freebies has the possibility to give us a good win without spending or risking fund from our pocket. Aside from that important news and notices are also sent through email to keep us updated.

You have the opportunity to get attractive promos or free prizes from the casino. But maybe you do that because you don't want to lose a lot of money because we have to use more money to get the promo. But I think you can get a good promo because the casino will always give attractive promos so we can participate. By subscribing to emails from the casino, we will always know updates from the casino so we will be alert and maybe be able to use promos or whatever it is properly.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 15, 2023, 03:55:18 PM

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino, I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that, while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..
I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

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