Topic: Using ToS against users normal? - page 17. (Read 2955 times)

I don't think it's a contract or anything like that because it's between a service provider and a customer and the service provider usually has its own rules and change or modifies them whenever they want to based on the needs of its business model, and the customer doesn't really have any say in it and all they can do is either accept the changes or leave the platform and migrate somewhere else.

Now whether they should inform their users about the changes beforehand or after making them is totally dependent on what they want, if they want to keep their customers updated with everything, they will surely do it, but if they don't care, they won't.

I've dealt with many companies online, and all of them have the same mode of dealing with changes in terms and conditions, this subject is not peculiar to casinos only. It's always like cheating in most cases, you might only see the notification through their news, emails sent to you or some pops ups that just came up when you visit your page on their websites. However, the most annoying thing is that some would not allow you to do the pressing things you want to do on the site until you accept it, which might be so long to read most times. This prompted people to be forced to accept what they did not know which I don't like.

Also, we should erase it from our minds that casinos will inform us prior to the change in the terms and conditions. Like any other companies, they will just inform us of the changes after it has been done which is nothing to me, but it's ill when we are trapped to accept it by the mode of propagating it.

Some casinos don't inform their players that they have changed something in their TOS if it's just minor changes that won't affect their patrons in negative way. Although some don't inform their players at all whether the changes made are big or small which is really a major turn off especially if the thing they have changed will make an impact on the playing routine and the activities inside the casino. So you must really be careful on what casino to sign up to. Make sure to check whether they declared they could make any changes without prior notice, because if this is the case, then you must always be updated on the rules and policies to avoid incurring warning and being flagged as abusing the site or having an unusual activity.

Apparently, many not very large and reputable casinos use such a not entirely honest technique.  Devs of such casinos can change the TOS in some part of it that is important for the players.  And of course, we are talking primarily about the methods and amounts so that the player can easily withdraw money from his winnings to his account.  This casino technique can be applied in those moments when the general legislation on the movement of cash flows changes.  Or, for example, when local regulators issue regular changes to the rules in payments.  And of course this applies to cryptocurrency payments.  In this case, the casino may make a change to the TOS and not inform the players in any way.  And formally, the casino has a good reason and justification why it did not inform the players about a significant change in a particular rule in the TOS. 

I think that some casinos sometimes specifically wait for changes in documents and instructions from regulators and then save their budgets in this way due to the difficulties that some players face in receiving the money they win. 
Often, players cannot get their winnings back at all due to these new rule changes. 
But, alas, this is the business itself.  It's a reality that I think some of you have experienced.

those particular platform that first to notify their customers before changing it and condition when looking at it very well you will know that those particular platform they are all come on cuz what they have in mind is not to run a social platform is to scam people and get money from them so that is why they are unable to inform their customers before taking a decision

For the sake of being transparent and on the sense of ethical then it would be preferable that it should really be told into their users about the changes of those TOS.What if there are certain changes which would highly affect out users on that sense? For sure that would really be having the argumentation in between users and the platform itself. Making use of those changes in TOS on paying up winnings then this is something that
turns out to be shady. There shouldnt really be that kind of action aside on violating terms like VPN usage or something that it is really that common errors of certain users. It would really be just that depending
on certain conditions but in most  cases on which if a casino is really that refusing to pay just because of that sudden change of terms then it would be an another story.

On this way then you could definitely assump that you are really that dealing with a shady casino which its a must avoid thing.

For real? I mean if the ToS has a line in it then I guess it's reasonable for them to just update it without informing their users (or asking for their agreement again whenever they change it) but isn't "updating" their users about changes something required for businesses to have? It is something like a contract between the user and the website/casino after all, albeit an online one. I don't have one so I don't really know about it though.

As for those who use it, well, the moment they used it they were pushed out of "legal" businesses in my mind though.

legit casinos would always give a heads up to their patrons no matter what changes they want to implement on their site. even if we say, most players won't bother reading those notifications, still it is their duty to distribute the communication to their customers.
some casinos also have their pop-ups stating that they have some changes with their terms once you get in their site and you are accepting it. just to make sure their players are aware of such modifications.
but if you are running a fly-by-night casino, you would put the blame to your players about their ignorance of such changes, even if the site has some shortcomings of information dissemination.

that's right, some of the big crypto gambling sites that i follow keep on sending emails to me about things related to changes that occur on their betting sites such as events or other changes.  but for gambling sites that have bad intentions, they will not send customers about these changes, they will use various ways to get big profits in sneaky ways such as deceiving players who are playing on their site.

I don't think I've ever read a full ToS of any service in my life. If I do go there at all, it's usually just to find some specific information I'm interested in.
If you live in a somewhat civilised country with decent customer protection laws, and you use a service that complies with those laws - then there's very little need of reading ToS at all, as you know you are protected by laws anyway, so you won't get outright defrauded.
But if choose to use a service of a business that operates outside of your (or any) jurisdiction, and they give themselves a right to change their ToS without any notice - then reading them is pretty pointless, as they could change them at whim.

It is very wrong for a gambling platform to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers so they can check it and make adjustment to the way they gamble if it is necessary. It is wickedness for a company to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers. Many casinos do this to deprive gamblers of there right.

If casino  decide the rules for the players, who make the rule for the casino, this is what we need to settle properly before making the final statement on whether or not the casino has the right to change the TOS because that will be a breeze of their contract with the player.

But we have seen cases of this abuse from the casino several times and in most cases, the casino that involves in this kind of scheme are always those with questionable reputations.

Unfortunately this has happened before and it's still happening. I remember a case where the casino changed their ToS just after the gambler started complaining and opened a scam accusation thread against them. Fortunately, he's archived their ToS pages minutes before they updated it.
If he didn't've done that then no one would support his case. Thus is why I always encourage everyone to read the ToS and always make a copy of it (archive it). It's the contract between you and the service, they have no right to change it without notifying you.

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.

I think that 1xbit has reached to the point that they do not even try to have any aura of legitimacy anymore and mess with the own Terms of Service to bend the situations in their favor. As far as I am aware they go with the usual money grab and them sending the same canned emails on "endind their collaboration"  

That is why I would advice anyone who wants to have a seamless experience from the get go, to try a reliable place or casino, instead venturing from the beginning to small and unknown platforms.

But we know that most of us would really be having no time on reading up those long pile of text on the time that we do make out some register on a certain platform or casino on which it would really be just that normal
that it is really that necessary to read up so that you've been aware on what are the dos and dont's of a certain platform but since every one of them does have that kind of similar words been stated and this is why i couldnt really blame out someone on why they would really be just simply ignoring these words and assume that it is really just the same when it comes to rules and conditions.

We should really make ourselves that think that we know that there might be some changes when it comes to terms which we might be able to miss out on reading it on. On the time
that there's some claim that you are going against their ToS then there's nothing you can fight on because you dont even know on what their TOS are and on the time that they would be shooting up
those issues then there's no much that you can do.

Only gambling sites like 1xbit will steal players' money and change the term and conditions I don't have any record of past accusations against them but then there is a high possibility of that happening at some point.
But at the same time any casino that suddenly change their TOS is tend to scam it users and each and every one should stay away from such casinos.

Terms and Conditions are a form of agreement between the platform operator and the user. When you sign up, you agree to certain terms (in theory, in practice - no one reads that), so when the casino decides to change their T&Cs even a little bit, they should properly inform all the users and give them the option to opt-out and withdraw if they don't agree with the changes.

It's sad to see how people seem to be thinking that casinos have some sort of position of authority over players and they can do whatever they want. Casinos and players are equal parties to the agreement and both have their rights.
Also - as I said multiple times before, Terms of Service do not supersede the law.

Any casino that intentionally  tempers with their terms and conditions  without informing  their customers  is a clear scam and there is no way a reputation  casino  would want to temper with their  terms of services simply because of a particular  user which isn't right.
The moment  any of this act is noticed  then legal actions should be taken on those casinos.

The site has every right to change their term of service at anytime  but that should be done after notifying their customers and not just doing so without any prior  announcement  and suddenly  blame the gambler when a rule is been broken unintentionally.

When Coughs are exchanged for just one user, that is frowned upon, and it is also unethical and speaks very badly of a casino, and it also has to demonstrate that they do not have enough capital to be able to face the losses of a casino, and I think that a casino can change all its Tos but when there is no associated case it is the most illogical thing I can see and perceive from a casino, very poorly done, also if I see something like this happen in a casino I don't play or go near it again, because that It is something that is not right, that they do not deserve to be clients because the casino moves its rules at its convenience , and if they do it that way it is because they are not honest.