Topic: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 43. (Read 45532 times)

You are not understanding what I am saying.  I'm saying that of the total population, the number of people who died from smallpox was 200/100,000 back in the 1700's during periods when the virus was periodically rampant among human populations.  Populations who lived differently than most of us today in terms of sanitation and other life-ways.

This is a highly relevant figure because the rate of getting stuck with big pharma's needle which certain people want to see is 100,000/100,000...or perhaps slightly less since they don't plan on giving it to their own kids.

If the rate of vaccine damage (anaphylactic shock, peanut allergies, Guillain-Barre, meningitis, etc, etc) vastly exceeds the frequency and/or magnitude of the ill effects of the condition the vaccine claims to address, then using it makes no sense.  At least not for the purpose for which the vaccine is marketed.

FWIW, like most 'anti-vax' people, I am not really against vaccines per-se.  They can work, and they can make sense.  The problem is that currently they are not being used honestly or in a rational manner and I blame the lobbying efforts of big pharma and the influence of super rich eugenicists for this.  Or at least I don't disregard this influence.

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A different medical condition is cancer.  My own grandparents got the condition at a rate of 100,000/100,000.  Three of them died from it after a long, painful, and expensive period of time.  The fourth lost a leg, but it was cured and she died of other causes.

I've read estimates of the average value of an American cancer patient to the medical industrial complex as low as $30,000 and as high as $1,000,000.  It's no wonder that no 'cure for cancer' has yet been found.  And it would not surprise me at all to find that various highly promoted elements of our society are contributing to the cancer rate.  That includes vaccines.

^^^ Anybody can put himself into the position of placing articles into Wikipedia. If Wikipedia limits some people, they are doing so on the basis of their own judgment. So, what is fake and what is true regarding what they say?

It is great that you have an opinion about vaccination. But such an opinion without evidence places you into a dangerous position, especially when you claim something with the conviction of stating that other people might be out of their minds.

Nobody knows for a fact if it is vaccines that cure small pox, or if it is something else. All they might have as evidence is the timing. But it is known for a fact that vaccines are dangerous: https://www.naturalnews.com/SearchResults.asp?query=vaccine&pr=NN.

Wikipedia gives the mortality rate from small-pox at 30%.


If you think that such a deadly disease can be treated without vaccination, then I have to say that you are out of your mind.

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No, I said exactly what I said.  'Mortality' means how many people died, and 'rate' is normalized to the total population.

I don't recall exactly where I got my info, but normally when I am trying to make a serious point, I do try to 'play it safe' and choose a source which is at least neutral if not biased in the opposite direction to the point I want to make.  The chart here, or one like it, is what I was using IIRC,

  https://ourworldindata.org/eradication-of-diseases

To one of your points, note that people almost always die due to a 'system failure' brought on by an ailment.  Often times something which would have been fatal in the 1700's would be easily non-fatal by something as simple as hydrating with an IV today.  So, historic 'mortality' rates almost always vastly overestimate the magnitude of a problem at today's level of medical science.

As has been pointed out here numerous times, basic nutrition and sanitation are pretty clearly responsible for lower rates of infection vs. vaccination.  Vaccination looks to me like it is mostly (but not totally) snake-oil.  Given the huge push for vaccination (similar to gun control), I find myself more and more questioning what else might be going on here.  One possibility which seems worth exploring would be the benefits to some of having all of the population having a pretty decent dose of nano-sized aluminum particles which had penetrated the blood/brain barrier and lodged within the neurons.  Given the information which keeps leaking about the use of electromagnetic methods of influencing behavior, there seems to be something to contemplate here.

I don't know from where you are getting these funny numbers. You are saying that only 0.2% of the small-pox infected died of the disease? This is beyond ridiculous. In Latin American nations such as Mexico and Peru, the mortality was more than 90%.

The Philippines was one of the three countries where the WHO was caught using sterilizing agents in the tetanus vaccine which made women's immune system attack a hormone necessary for pregnancy.  They hit a female doctor who didn't particularly want to be sterilized and she, having the scientific background to figure out what was going on, dug into it.

The above happened not very long after development of the technique (using tetanus vaccine as a carrier.)  Much later (and fairly recently) it looks (to me) very probable that they tried it again in Kenya.

At this point anyone who puts any confidence in anything U.N. related basically gets what's coming to them whether it be 'conservation' measures which lock up what little water their country has or 'help' with health care which causes the people to be childless.  Wake me up when these scum offset the disadvantages of being a childless oldster in the developing world.  Unless a bullet in the head constitues 'help'.  There seems to me a fair chance that at the top and middle of this organization these people are 'Lucifarian' insofar as they take their ethics from derivatives of the Talmud.

in the philippines right now, people who got injected with vaccine (dengvaxia) that is a protection for dengue virus are more sicker and unfortunately, people who got injected are dying. more and more of them are getting worst and worst.

In a quick sanity check, it looks like prior to vaccination the rate of deaths from small-pox were averaging around 200-per-100,000 and measles around 10-per-100,000 (presumably per-year, but few organizations seem to be able to properly key a chart for some odd reason.)  That puts rough numbers of the magnitude of the problem we are discussing here, and it should be remembered that medical care and methods have evolved extensively since that time so such treatments as an IV for a few days would likely reduce the mortality rate significantly.

OTOH, autism rates are on a trajectory that would see every other U.S. born male be clinically diagnosed in a few decades.  South Korea is hit even harder.  Somehow nobody can figure out what's up with that so, 'oh well.'  I mean it's not like having 1/3 of the population be unable to cope with life and at least partially dependent on the rest (administered through the state of course) for survival would be a problem or anything like that, right?

OK.. What do you want here? Do you want yourself to get infected with diseases such as small-pox and measles? In such cases, there is a small probability that you will survive and your body may develop immunity against these diseases. Vaccines on the other hand, prevents these diseases on the first hand.

I've heard that mostly vaccines don't let our immunal system develop itself, that's why vaccinated children usually very sick. I guess not all the vaccines ate appropriate, but some are very useful.

Bull.  Firstly, the Mumps part of MMR, at least, is undergoing vaccine failure with dismal efficacy.  Merck was caught red-handed trying to deal with the situation through blatant fraud.  Thanks to a couple of insiders we know this (as if the outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations were not enough.)  Of course it will be several decades if ever before the problem is even acknowledged by the CDC, much less anyone getting in trouble.  That's why the revolving door is kept well lubricated and in a high state of function.

The above is just 'vaccine failure' and says nothing about the damage that may be occurring.  'Vaxxed' documents in detail how the CDC threw data in the trash (literally) about the vaccine/autism connection and has not done another study since.  If vaccines were found to be associated with autism by 'science' and the victims were compensated, it would cost Trillions.  I bought 10 copies of the DVD and hand it out to people I give a shit about.  Especially if they have kids.

To be perfectly honest, it looks to me as though the vaccine program is a eugenics program, and it's just that simple.  Bankrupt and disable Western societies (and the U.S. in particular) so there is less resistance to a global technocratic takeover.  That hypothesis fits best with observations as far as I'm concerned.

Your argument may work with some of the less used vaccines (such as those against Ebola). But you can't say that the popular vaccines such as the polio vaccine and measles vaccine are not "tried and tested". They have been used on billions of individuals and the failure rate is less than 0.0001%.

Vaccines are not 'tried and tested' as are other pharmaceuticals.  Their is an exemption so they don't have to meet the same standards.  Not only that, but the manufacturer is absolved of legal responsibility for harm that vaccines may cause unlike most other medications.  When someone is harmed AND navigates 'vaccine court' (usually doctors and scientists who's kids got harmed are the only ones who make it all the way) then the taxpayers pick up the tab.  Look it up.

Worse still, the companies who manufacture (or license) the vaccines typically do what testing is done and the CDC mostly just takes there word for it, especially if they have the right person running CDC.  That's why the head of the CDC revolves right through the door to become the top dog in Merck's vaccine division (e.g., Jewly Gerberding.)

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Number one, live attenuated viruses helps so that we shouldn't be affected by the same full strength virus. It has been a solid research and the effects are great. It helps is to actually live out our lives without the threat of deadly diseases. Next, that last statement, proves that it's not the vaccine itself that's the problem, but actually the preservative in it. Lastly, if it we're true, do you want to risk your child to all these diseases do that your child wouldn't have allergies or learning disabilities?

None of the available drugs are 100% free from side-effects and complications. But the thing is that if 0.0001% of those who take vaccinations face some adverse reaction, that should not be used to derail the vaccination schemes. Even in this case, the benefits outweigh the negatives.

vaccinated children are more sicker than unvaccinated. with the vaccine, our organism is missing nedded elements to win the bad bacteries. our medical system wants us to be ill so we will spend our money on drugs, that are usless...

I still prefer kids get vaccinated as long as the vaccines are tried and tested. There should be no side effects and any harmful response to the body that will lead to a child's death.