Topic: What's wrong with Vod, and Hhampuz - page 10. (Read 4587 times)

Two separate things.   One was needed, the other was not.

For the record, teeGUMES contacted me and explained some things.  If I am allowed to make a mistake, so is he/she.  

So what about it? IMO plenty of people could anonymously DOXX and/or anonymously support the DOXX-ing of Og. I'm not allowed to merit such a thread? Objectively it took effort to create regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and that's how merit should be used. Don't use your morality and nepotism to pollute the system.


I won't tag Vod for this action and I'd certainly counter any ratings on all the meriters. The DOXX has already been removed. This action won't prevent future DOXXing. All the right eyes on this thread does what exactly?

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Typos.

As I had said, I would have much preferred having some sort of forum tools to address this in a completely different way. My red tags have never been permanent but I felt like this was the closest tool available to get my point across/initiate change. All the right eyes are on this topic right now.. instead of trying to hang me, lets figure out how to fix this. You think I wanted to red tag some of the best members on various boards? I've slept on making this decision for a few days now.

-- probably last post of mine on this topic, like fuck I'm going to go in circles all night with Lauda

Couldn't have said it any better myself..

So far I have not yet decided to employ the trust system in this case but it has crossed my mind as well, and I am not finished thinking about it.. I am quite off-put by this doxing and reporting to the IRS, by the perpetrator and also, but to a somewhat lesser extent, the supporters of these actions, as I have noted in my recent posts..


It may not be neg-worthy on its own but it sure lets you know where they stand..

Neg.-rating someone just because they sent out 1 merit is completely backwards and proper trust abuse in my view. It's similar to political de-platforming.

You should check out the repeated doxing in my untrusted feedback someday.  

Thanks Theymos! 

I would have spoken individually to each meriter if it were possible to remove their merit from the post. It is true I can not prove or disprove their intentions at the time but if anything happens to the individual at the residence that was posted I could see law enforcement somehow tying them into it, at the very least questioned.. I believe by bringing this up with the meriters I would have been able to have them retract their merit if they could.
In this case I think it better to erase that post from history to protect those four members.. possibly disallow merit in that sub section so we don't run into this in the future. I would have much preferred talking to them and coming to a better conclusion but the inability to withdraw merit is what led me to my red trust rating.

I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.

True, it is much like sarcasm over the internet.. hard to distinguish. DT means nothing to me tbh and in the future I will continue to take a stance against public doxxing before an investigation happens. Yes there are past cases I have clearly missed but this one has taken over multiple threads and countless posts so it was very hard to miss.

I understand where many of you are coming from with your statements and I don't fault you for it, but I would hope the conversation here might lead to bettering the forum. We are talking about two very prominent members of the community going pretty much nuclear here.. Vod appears to be taking it through its courses and to the end so time will tell.

Thanks all for your input, I think something needed to happen to spark a conversation like this. For the merit tagging I am open to communicating with the individuals.. I'd like it to be known that if it was "you" in the same situation I would have your back until it is proven that you were indeed doing something criminal.

 You simply distrust the user if you do not approve the user's action but giving feedback on it is not the correct approach.

Doxxing comes under the forum policy rules, if you do not agree with that post then use "Report to Moderator" and let them decide.

Nonsense. I don't "know it". I don't support doxing OgNasty. And now you're out of DT, which is a shame.

I have also distrusted his views on morality for calling people who like my posts scammers. He is now at -1.

OG will prob trust him simply because he dislikes me, so that will keep him in DT1, where he does not belong.  


It needed to happen.  It could not happen on this forum.  There is no accountability for lying here.

OG says he will sue me for defamation.  QS says he has (maybe) reported me to the police.  Thule threatens to sue everybody.  BUT NOTHING HAPPENS AND THE BULLSHIT CONTINUES!  I took a stand and will take responsibility for the outcome.

That being said, I should not have posted his physical address on this forum.  But anyone who wanted it could get it easily.

My actions against you has nothing to do on whether I support Vod's doxing post or not. As a merit source, I am not going to be hampered on my merit giving with having to take into consideration whether or not someone on DT is going to give me red trust or not. This is not acceptable.  



You forgot to include the important part.

It is interesting to see so many supporters of public doxxing. The merit they left is nothing more than clear instigation. You know it and I know it.
Wait til an investigation takes place and if a conviction for a crime happens, sure go nuts.. I'd even commend Vod for a job well done(with some merit)

imo this would be the best thing to do here:

edit: to add, your bolded part says "for something stupid other than..." please include where you think public doxxing falls into the something stupid category

Here is part of response to me a while ago when I was paranoid about people giving me red trust for merits that I may give.


I have taken the liberty to bold the pertinent part in your particular case. Therefore, I have distrusted you. Your actions of red trusting people for a post that they merit is not acceptable, at all.

Your red trust doesn't solve any of that. It just discredits the trust system and shows you're not fit for DT1.

Merit is not an endorsement and not "a pat on the back" despite your dictionary quote. On this forum it's a "good post" mark. Whatever those users were thinking, EVEN IF THEY'RE WRONG, it is inappropriate to use red trust to show your disagreement.

In general, theymos does not strongly support ideas to give negative trust on merit issues, if it is not serious merit abusements. If it is reason of such red trust, it was inappropriately used because I don't think that sending 1 to 3 merits to a post should be considered as merit abusements.

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I don't have intention to involve too much with Trust system, so I don't have intention to customize my Trust list. I would prefer to use Default Trust system. And, theymos emphasizes many times that Trust should be used for things relate to trade/ exchange.

Those useds did not start the thread period. They merited it. Maybe they share Vods opinion, maybe they're just ass kissers. We do not know, but no reason for the tag on those who haven't posted a thing in the thread.

Of course I don't agree with meriting any post in that section for doxing but i do not feel its tagworthy.

I think theymos should disable merits for that section and maybe clear all the merits given for doxxing.

So you both think that a pat on the back in the form of merit for doxxing someone is trustworthy behavior? I understand the people that I have left red tags for are great respectable people and if merit could be removed I would have personally asked them to remove it before it even got to the tagging.. but that isn't an option currently. If someone ends up hurt or worse at that location do you think these people would still want their name at the top of the post that potentially caused it?

I agree with this 100%. Teegumes you wanna tag Vod for creating the thread that's on you but tagging users for meriting it is ridiculous.