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legendary
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Meh.
May 12, 2019, 08:33:33 AM
#47
I guess I can't really deny having double standards when I merited both Vod's post and teeGUMES's post complaining about it. I stand by my merits, and am prepared to accept the judgement of the community in this matter (which is why I've felt no need to say anything about it until you appeared spouting your usual nonsense accusations).

I respect you Foxpup!
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
May 12, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
#46
all the time you have idiots like foxpup showering their double standards and abuse with merits??
I guess I can't really deny having double standards when I merited both Vod's post and teeGUMES's post complaining about it. I stand by my merits, and am prepared to accept the judgement of the community in this matter (which is why I've felt no need to say anything about it until you appeared spouting your usual nonsense accusations).
member
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May 12, 2019, 07:07:58 AM
#45
Neg.-rating someone just because they sent out 1 merit is completely backwards and proper trust abuse in my view. It's similar to political de-platforming.
It may not be neg-worthy on its own but it sure lets you know where they stand..
So what about it? IMO plenty of people could anonymously DOXX and/or anonymously support the DOXX-ing of Og. I'm not allowed to merit such a thread? Objectively it took effort to create regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and that's how merit should be used. Don't use your morality and nepotism to pollute the system.


As I had said, I would have much preferred having some sort of forum tools to address this in a completely different way. My red tags have never been permanent but I felt like this was the closest tool available to get my point across/initiate change. All the right eyes are on this topic right now.. instead of trying to hang me, lets figure out how to fix this. You think I want to red tag some of the best members on various boards?
I won't tag Vod for this action and I'd certainly counter any ratings on all the meriters. The DOXX has already been removed. This action won't prevent future DOXXing. All the right eyes on this thread does what exactly?

Typos.

teeGUMES was just made an example of by those that really control DT. Theymos blessing will do nothing to save him now or in the future. He is marked. His back peddling now will not help him they will remember this.

This repeated "fuck off" to theymos from Lauda is quite strange. Only the other day we asked Lauda why he was saying he will ignore theymos's instructions to use red trust for scammers and those present a case for STRONGLY attempting to scam.

He said theymos is now the student and he is the master?

How does Lauda get to just repeatedly just give theymos the finger and get favor still? GRAY my ass. The scammers here can THANK lauda for pushing the threshold for being RED to a level most scammers would feel guilty of reaching lol

and yet she calls herself THE RED TRUST QUEEN - ffs this forum is a laughing stock to those that KNOW the REAL history of this individual. Having one of the most notorious liars, scammers, extortionists , shady escrows giving out red because you present observable instances in its past?  what a hilarious joke. A scam tag for warning about scammers. The inverse trust system.

This tight group of colluding scum (each with clear instances of observable financially related shady behaviors) and their tight knit supporters need blacklisting.

What do they have on Theymos that is preventing him blacklisting these dirt bags?

Just blacklist them all or delete DT Theymos. If these people are willing to give you the middle finger over and over in public like this then you need to take away their power before they destroy the entire forum.

They are clearly employing double standards here. One of their main arguments for red is that you "may" reveal some traders address. They red trust people for selling accounts but not their pals who try to sell theirs, or they red trust people for presenting observable instances from their post histories they want remain hidden.

This idiot VOD has been bullying OG with his group of colluding scumbag pals for weeks now. He gave us RED TRUST because we deleted a post of his that for the 3rd time accused OG nasty of being a liar when we said he needs to present evidence to continue making such claims. [size=12pt]So if you present observable instances of their wrong doing you get red trust. If you ask them to present evidence and not just make false claims you get red trust?? wtf is this system?  all the time you have idiots like foxpup showering their double standards and abuse with merits?? Others make a post that is truthful and honest and you come in and REMOVE their merits??[/size]
We asked if hhampuz openly supports these scammers and liars and got red trust for investigating it and presenting observable instances of their shady behaviors and these same bunch came running with red tags claiming defamation and then NOT EVEN DISPUTING the observable instances because they simply can not.

Now any DT1 that dares to red trust them is removed by the "gang" of untrustworthy colluding scum you allowed to infiltrate DT1.

Theymos do something about these people as we have been asking you for an age. You created some strange systems of control and just assume these kinds of people will do what you tell them and act for the best for the forum not themselves?? please be sensible.

How hard can it be??  Just tell ALL DT

1. If you red trust someone that you can not present STRONG case is a scammer = blacklist
2. If you are presented with a STRONG case someone is a scammer you must red trust them or = blacklist
3. Any DT that is found to have any financially motivated shady behavior (ever) = blacklisted.


Pushing OG to remove laudas legitimate scam tags left him MORE vulnerable. Those that previously would have certainly supported him against this kind of public bullying have not been as vocal in his support since he seems to have made a deal with the devil.

We are VERY encouraged with your opinions regarding this OG bullying and doxxing but still you are NOT going far enough. Kick these dogs off DT and blacklist them. You don't need to be a genius to see who is colluding with lauda, tman, owlcatz, hhampuz, ieoeio, vod, foxpup (this merit abusing idiot) (suchmoon to a lesser degree but still is bullying OG) , and others all ass kissing them and trying to get into DT and merit source and HugeBlackWoman. They all rally round each other as soon as one is called out.

You are shaming this board letting observable scammers and liars infest DT and use their powers (you gave them) to bully and defame honest members.

This is a trust system right?  whatever they have on you, just call their bluff. Fuck them, the board will support you if you clearly do what is right.

These people are bullies and untrustworthy scum? how did they get on DT in the first place?

If anyone did any real research on VOD you would find some quite disturbing and troubling accounts. To let him bully someone like OG who has been keeping the forums btc safe for a long time is outrageous.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 05:40:33 AM
#44
I'm not allowed to merit such a thread? Objectively it took effort to create regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and that's how merit should be used. Don't use your morality ... to pollute the system.

That sounds like the single most flimsy criteria for usage of the merit-system that I can think of. Do not use your morality, or value-judgement to decide which posts you would like to see more of; simply merit posts that objectively "took effort". That has got to be a joke that had terrible delivery. If we were to use that criteria, then every try-hard newbie that spends an hour on their scheme to earn merit with a worthless post would be successful.

It would take effort to break into the address that was provided, but does that mean the action should be condoned? Maybe we should merit it, if they give us a play-by-play in a thread! So long as it took some effort.

The criteria has always been more than "effort".

On top of all of that, Nepotism is allowing a member to get away with something because of who they are. I can't imagine someone else walking away unscathed after DOXing and endangering the lives of multiple people; let alone be told that receiving merit for doing so is appropriate.

It's an example of someone meriting a post you don't like. You'll get over it.

It's more an example of someone encouraging another user to endanger the lives of potentially innocent bystanders.

Where I am from, if you scream to the public "That guy has a lot of money! This is where he sleeps!" guess who ends up naked and robbed in a burning building? It doesn't matter if he actually has money, or if that's even where he sleeps. It's not cute and it is not a game; you can get people hurt like this.
legendary
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Terminated.
May 12, 2019, 05:07:43 AM
#43
Didn't someone else pubilcy doxx OG a while back and Like with photos and everything if I remember right. And nothing happened to them
Pictures? Yes, doxx? Don't think so.

There is a rule somewhere, that theymos dox can't be posted,, should that rule be expanded to include all bitcointalk staff members, and those receiving payment from the fourm. IE, fourm treasurers and cryptios
No it should not otherwise one will end up with their DOXX everywhere off-forum where it can't be removed. Don't anger the beasts.
hero member
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May 12, 2019, 04:20:05 AM
#42
Didn't someone else pubilcy doxx OG a while back and Like with photos and everything if I remember right. And nothing happened to them

There is a rule somewhere, that theymos dox can't be posted,, should that rule be expanded to include all bitcointalk staff members, and those receiving payment from the fourm. IE, fourm treasurers and cryptios
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 12, 2019, 03:25:27 AM
#41
That is exactly what happened. No imagination is required because there is evidence to back it all up.

If you post so.  People trust you. Roll Eyes
copper member
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May 12, 2019, 03:20:50 AM
#40
In other words, Vod received his information from an anonymous source, was refuted by multiple reputable people, did zero due diligence, and proceeded to try to get the person fired on the small chance it was me, al because I was critical of Vod.

You have an active imagination... you sure about that chain of events, dog?
That is exactly what happened. No imagination is required because there is evidence to back it all up.
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
May 12, 2019, 02:43:22 AM
#39
I am loving how everyone's priorities are in order here. Forget the threats to the lives and freedoms of forum members, some one left a bad trust rating! This place is a fucking joke, especially all of you spineless twats sitting atop the trust list who condone this type of behavior by doing nothing about it. Enjoy the total disintegration of the community, you earned it.


For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.
Neg.-rating someone just because they sent out 1 merit is completely backwards and proper trust abuse in my view. It's similar to political de-platforming.
This is fucking hilarious as you literally attempt to get your political opponents locked up you decry people leaving little red ratings as political de-platforming. Such virtue!




I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.

How many times are we going to go thru this with this little mentally ill wannabe Stazi agent? Frankly I am ashamed at you most of all Theymos. You talk about condemnation but every time he or people like him do shit like this they get a pass from you and they do it again and again continually escalating because that's what mentally ill control freaks like Vod do. By giving him a pass on this for what, the 17th time you have officially made this forum a total fucking joke. Congratulations on jumping the shark and making a complete mockery of every standard you pretend to uphold. HEIL THEYMOS!
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
May 12, 2019, 01:08:48 AM
#38
In other words, Vod received his information from an anonymous source, was refuted by multiple reputable people, did zero due diligence, and proceeded to try to get the person fired on the small chance it was me, al because I was critical of Vod.

You have an active imagination... you sure about that chain of events, dog?

And LiveCoin is sponsoring that post?  :/
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:57:16 AM
#37
If Vod received merit on a post in which OgN was doxed, this is an example of a flaw in the merit system.

It's an example of someone meriting a post you don't like. You'll get over it.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:48:58 AM
#36
You won't tag vod for this because you do the same thing, doxing a person to others, threatening to report them to the IRS, harassing their family, in a which hunt, obviously..
Quoted and archived your lying. No wonder you support political games; you're dishonest yourself. I've tackled this stupidity on the next level, and have given them positive ratings and will counter any political leftist censoring by eddie et. al. There's no need to further discuss with ad hominem baboons like yourself.
(appropriate use of a double post).

You quite literally did exactly this to zeroaxl, having even less evidence he was not paying taxes.
I did not do any such thing; do not post lies about events just because they happened a long time ago. His post deserves red trust but these policies nowadays.. Maybe my reputation got scammed? :shrug:
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May 12, 2019, 12:46:43 AM
#35
You won't tag vod for this because you do the same thing, doxing a person to others, threatening to report them to the IRS, harassing their family, in a which hunt, obviously..
Quoted and archived your lying. No wonder you support political games; you're dishonest yourself. I've tackled this stupidity on the next level, and have given them positive ratings and will counter any political leftist censoring by eddie et. al. There's no need to further discuss with ad hominem baboons like yourself.
(appropriate use of a double post).

You quite literally did exactly this to zeroaxl, having even less evidence he was not paying taxes.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:45:46 AM
#34
I saw a thread in which OgN was apparently doxed but as of when I saw it, the dox was removed. The thread in question appears to now have been removed. Is this about the same thread?
Yes.

If Vod received merit on a post in which OgN was doxed, this is an example of a flaw in the merit system.
No, unless you want to censor what opinions, statements or other people's actions are allowed to get merit.
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May 12, 2019, 12:43:19 AM
#33
I saw a thread in which OgN was apparently doxed but as of when I saw it, the dox was removed. The thread in question appears to now have been removed. Is this about the same thread?

It appears Vod claims OgN doesn’t pay appropriate taxes based upon the fact that he calls various payments to him “donations” which is obviously hogwash. The “donation” description is a marketing tool (a counterproductive one IMO, but how OgN markets his services is up to OgN). The “donation” description in relation to nastyfans is probably more accurate, however this is a very complex issue that would likely be the subject of litigation if the US government were to ever get involved (I don’t think they will based on the amounts involved, and based on the fact set).

As I mentioned previously in another thread, Vod has a history of using doxes as a weapon against people he doesn’t like. He also doesn’t do any real research to confirm the accuracy of the doxes he receives and as such he likely posts doxes of random people who have never interacted with Vod in the past.

As an example, Vod posted what he thought was my dox years ago in an effort to try to get me to leave the forum because I was critical of him. He initially posted what he believed to be my first name in an effort to intimidate me, which I didn’t pick up on because it was wrong. After he posted what he believed to be my full dox, including what he believed to be my address, multiple reputable people who have felt with me posted his information was incorrect (and no one publicly said his information was correct). After being told he had bad information, he contacted who he believed to be my employer in an effort to get me fired, except it was also wrong. His source was an account with multiple recent trust ratings indicating the account was recently sold. In other words, Vod received his information from an anonymous source, was refuted by multiple reputable people, did zero due diligence, and proceeded to try to get the person fired on the small chance it was me, al because I was critical of Vod.


If Vod received merit on a post in which OgN was doxed, this is an example of a flaw in the merit system.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:42:43 AM
#32
Why is this in Meta and why do you feel the need to stir this drama further? PM teeGUMES if you're curious.
Now, the question is clearer. If I did not start the topic, we would have not seen the following post of theymos, that help us have better overview on admin's stance on Trust system, roles of DT members, and the way Trust / feedbacks works. It's only better for the forum, I believe. At the start, I believe that something inappropriately used with such feedbacks, that's all.

Fair enough, the thread did eventually serve a purpose. Thanks for pointing out this debacle.
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May 12, 2019, 12:34:41 AM
#31
Why is this in Meta and why do you feel the need to stir this drama further? PM teeGUMES if you're curious.
Now, the question is clearer. If I did not start the topic, we would have not seen the following post of theymos, that help us have better overview on admin's stance on Trust system, roles of DT members, and the way Trust / feedbacks works. It's only better for the forum, I believe. At the start, I believe that something inappropriately used with such feedbacks, that's all.
I was disgusted by the reckless and vicious doxing in this case, where:
 - The evidence was very thin.
 - Even if all of the allegations were true, it'd likely result only in civil penalties, not criminal.
 - The whole thing was motivated merely by past arguments. OgNasty never caused Vod to even lose anything, as far as I know. An utterly ridiculous & disproportionate escalation.
 - It's based on the premise that purely statutory crimes are directly unethical, which I don't agree with at all, though I'm willing to mostly look past this as subjective.

It's good that Vod came to his senses on this after the fact, though doing it at all certainly blemishes his reputation in my mind, and I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum.

Red-trusting Vod over this is an appropriate usage of red-trust, since his actions here are highly trust-relevant. But I tend to think that since he edited his post and seems to genuinely regret at least the public doxxing part, it'd be best to forgive.

For the meriters, I can understand the argument for red-trust, but I tend to think that it's at the wrong level. If the meriter was meriting it because they were actively thinking, "I want to make the forum really vicious, where everyone is constantly tearing each other apart for stupid things, and this post moves in that direction," even that's not really a trust-relevant motive, just a very unhelpful motive. And probably the meriters were thinking more innocent things than that.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:22:43 AM
#30
For the record, teeGUMES contacted me and explained some things.  If I am allowed to make a mistake, so is he/she.  Smiley
After having a grown up conversation with Vod, we both understand eachother's side and have had the edited dox post in Investigations deleted. I have removed my red ratings from the merit posters. If a different tool were available to achieve this same effect I would have used it, it was never my intention to tarnish the great work that the four individuals do every day on this forum. If no tool ever appears I will act no differently in the future, your exclusions may remain and you will not be excluded in retaliation.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:14:00 AM
#29
You won't tag vod for this because you do the same thing, doxing a person to others, threatening to report them to the IRS, harassing their family, in a which hunt, obviously..
Quoted and archived your lying. No wonder you support political games; you're dishonest yourself. I've tackled this stupidity on the next level, and have given them positive ratings and will counter any political leftist censoring by eddie et. al. There's no need to further discuss with ad hominem baboons like yourself.
legendary
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May 12, 2019, 12:07:17 AM
#28
Neg.-rating someone just because they sent out 1 merit is completely backwards and proper trust abuse in my view. It's similar to political de-platforming.
It may not be neg-worthy on its own but it sure lets you know where they stand..
So what about it? IMO plenty of people could anonymously DOXX and/or anonymously support the DOXX-ing of Og. I'm not allowed to merit such a thread? Objectively it took effort to create regardless of whether it is right or wrong, and that's how merit should be used. Don't use your morality and nepotism to pollute the system.

Attempting to use the IRS as a weapon, via a which hunt, against someone and doxing are very distasteful to me. One minute merit is for constructive posts, the next it is for "took effort", the next it is a like button, the next it is an agree button, and then it's for something interesting, whatever.. We all know it is for good posts that you support most of the time no matter what you want to call it and supporting bad actions is not good in my view, or cryptohunter would have a million merits for all that effort, so I have also taken note of and mentioned supporters, like Theymos has..

As I had said, I would have much preferred having some sort of forum tools to address this in a completely different way. My red tags have never been permanent but I felt like this was the closest tool available to get my point across/initiate change. All the right eyes are on this topic right now.. instead of trying to hang me, lets figure out how to fix this. You think I want to red tag some of the best members on various boards?
I won't tag Vod for this action and I'd certainly counter any ratings on all the meriters. All the right eyes on this thread does what exactly?

The right eyes on this situation help to ensure justice and morality.
You won't tag vod for this because you do the same thing, doxing a person to others, threatening to report them to the IRS, harassing their family, in a which hunt, obviously..

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