Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 123. (Read 901373 times)

Show me the proof! Everything you write is based on your belief of a fairy tale book. Have your god come down to earth and meet me for a beer. You have not shown a single bit of proof which makes me believe. Hence why I am an atheist. You choose to answer points and avoid others which you cannot answer. Your own holy book calls you stupid and yet you defend it. You are blinded to the reality of what is happening around you.

Thank you for allowing us to believe as we wish. Just believing something in the simple way we believe things, doesn't make them the truth.

Since you prefer to not believe in fairy tales, stop believing in the fairy tale that God does NOT exist. Look at the proof and the evidence in detail. It's important for your life.

Believe what you like..... if it makes you a better person good for you. I prefer not to believe in a fairy tale and put my faith in myself and what I can see and touch.

Im agree with that jesus paid our sins and penalty we made every day and we need to become more faith on him and be thankful every sunday you need one day only to go in church and pray for forgiveness and after that we receive jesus salvation through faith and that's really make us more humanity and become more kind.

All you've done here is change the wording of your circular logic. Nothing changed (except the wording), your still in it.
If your suggesting strength == truth, then sadly you are committing an argumentum ad populum fallacy.

Attempt to break out of your circle with a fallacy won't work.

Have another go. Try again.

No wonder people really don't understand the Bible and the God the Bible is speaking about...judging by the kind of debate we have here. It is quite obvious that people in trying to understand something divine could not come up with something tangible or something to truly hold on to because we are all carnal minded.

Just because we don't believe in someone called God does not change anything. People have that kind of yearning to believe in a higher authority and you can call it whatever it is but it is really there.

The bottom line is that we all have our leanings and no matter how we might convince someone to go against his will and choice it will not be successful.

So believe whatever you want to believe but don't step on the right of others to also believe what they want to believe. Peace -- true and global peace -- seems impossible in the hands of men but it is always good to try to tolerate and accommodate as much as we can so that we can at least have some harmony and understanding even if we have some big and small difference with each other.

among my friends are believers and there are atheists. But they never come into conflict with each other. I do not know where it came from the view that they hate each other. It seems to me that it is not

If this is true, then it can be assumed that your "God" has himself instructed mankind to write the fictional writings of the Satanic Bible and the Qur'an. As all holy books are the writings of mankind, I once again say Lord of the Rings is a far better read. I highly recommend you read it.

When a person reads a book, the words that remain in his memory do not sit in his brain in book form. Rather, RNA converts into patterns of brain DNA that correspond to the words that he read. Whenever bio-electrical activity stimulates these particular chunks of DNA, the result is an activated memory of the words in the person, that correspond to the thing that he had read.

At the same time, a new record is created by new RNA turning into DNA, showing his remembering, and the reactions he had to the remembering. Generally this new memory is the one that is remembered the next time the person remembers the words.

At the next remembering point, a third memory is made overlaying the first two. The other two memories remain, but are seldom accessed, except when the memory needs to be reinforced in the consciousness in some way, or by haphazard stimulation during dreams.

God wrote His law in the minds and hearts (in the brains, chemically) of the first people. All people have it via genetics. Most people simply ignore it intentionally until the memory is dulled within them. If there had been no sin, the Bible wouldn't have been needed. Why not? People would remember the law written on their hearts perfectly, and wouldn't need a Bible to re-show it to them.

The Bible has been written for two reasons:
1. To show the law that has been forgotten;
2. To show God's forgiveness for man through the salvation He provides in Jesus.

In the same way that God has the ability to create people (a much harder thing than writing a book), He also has the ability to direct His people in ways so that they write the thing that He wants. The whole history of the coming into being of the Bible, and the contents thereof, show that it had to have been done by God. Why? Because it could never happen the way it did without Divine guidance.

You constantly throw out this argument of strength in the Bible making it God's word. There is no strength in any book, rather people themselves find meaning in the words of a book that gives them the resolve to do what they need to do - there are many self help books out there that people use.

To say the words in the Bible are also God's words is a fallacy - the words in the Bible are man's words, stories passed down through the years by word of mouth before finally being collated and written into a single book. I always found it ironic that one of the first things we did in religious studies was play Chinese Whispers, yet we were expected to accept the writings in the Bible as the ultimate truth. If God actually existed and wanted his words to be passed onto man, he could have willed a paper book into existence with his words written inside when he first created man. Did this happen? Nope. Instead the closest thing we supposedly have is some commandments inscribed in stone hundreds of years after the creation of man.

Bible logic, the world's first merry-go-round making people dizzy since, well, god knows when.

I agree that it is essentially a bad argument to use. But it is true just the same. The problem with it is that it can be used for just about any silly thing. And for some of those silly things it will be used in a false or bad way.

The reason why the Bible is the Word of God is that it has strength behind it. The little nation of Israel has great strength. Israel has existed possibly longer than any other nation. The Israel people hold that the Old Testament is truth. The only reason why they hold the Bible as such for as long as they have, is because there is strength in the Bible.

What does that have to do with your circle? Nothing. Of course, you won't know this about the Bible unless you study the history of how it came into being. But if you do, you will find that it is a miracle that can't exists the way it does, except that it does.

Yeah, this is called Pascal's wager. A well documented flawed argument.

I had two atheist friends in my life and I spoke to then about this. I have been told they don't hate religion at all but they think God was just an invention for us to be enslaved in this world. There is one problem though: if you die and you didn't believe and God didn't exist.... It's alright but what if you die, you didn't believe and He exists?!

May be they had been disappointed by Of and they are not hsppy

Not all believers hate atcheists, not all atheists hate religion. Im an atheist and i dont hate religion, i do not like when religious people deny everything because of their views and atheists can be so cringy.

believers hate atheists, atheists and believers hate. This is the eternal confrontation. It always has been, and do not need to do from this issue

You didn't "show" the circle, it's your logic put into an easy to understand pretty diagram.
You said nobody can know if God is speaking to them, unless it matches what's in the bible. Thus you have just claimed the bible is the word of God. Thus you have entered the circular argument in the diagram at that point. (It's the one on the far left, if your struggling.)

Of course you knew this already, and just trying to avoid my challenge of you breaking out of the circle.

You'll get dizzy keep spinning round and round like that.

What about the creation of the planets themselves, right along with the creation of the whole universe?


Why not. We don't know that God doesn't exist. In fact, science and nature say that He does. This stuff had to come from somewhere. And there is great intelligence in its structure... so great that it defies mankind to find it all out. If it wasn't complex, researchers would have figured out how to let us all live a thousand years, long ago. As it is, there are still a few peoples around the world that live longer than modern science has allowed us to live. Are you trying to say that dumb nature is smarter than we are?



You are mistaken about this. The information in the first 5 books of the Bible describes the "soul" of man better than most of our modern psychology. In addition, the Bible was written as a record, by those who believed God was telling them to write. How strong did they believe? The Dead Sea Scrolls show us that there is virtually no change in about 2,400 years of hand copying it. You have to believe quite strongly to copy the same thing over and over, generation to generation like that. There is strength in the Bible. That's why they did it.