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I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

In my opinion atheist were people who lost their faith in god, when they go in-depth into science. Also when prayers don't go effective people gets changed to atheists.

You want reasons? How about:

- 6 million of "chosen people" killed in WWII, sky daddy did squat
- holly men raping children, sky daddy does squat
- televangelists - need I say more?
- bible, quran, talmud - read those books to see what ridiculous shit they say
- rapists can go to heaven, but gays cannot, same for people with damaged testicles (actually this one is in the BIBLE)
- 6000 year old Earth
- Noah's ark
- Flying horses
- Flat Earth
- Dome/Firmament with waters above it....etc

need I go on?...The list is endless.

You are quite mixed up in all this, lacking knowledge of many pertinent parts, or else simply against God for your own reasons.

God is holding you alive. Pick up the opportunity He is offering you to be saved... before it is too late.

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Trust me, God does not exist. Nobody is holding you or me alive. You are imagining things.

I asked him before, I'll ask again. Hey God, Yahweh, Allah or whatever your stupid bronze age name is, just show up and post on this thread.

You can write and speak English, can you? You created the universe etc., blah, blah....Fucking a-hole, let's go. Use any language you want, we can
translate using google translate :-)

BADecker, nothing will happen, God will not post (probably he cannot type being from the bronze age and all), life will go on. Muslims will kill Christians, Christians will kill Muslims, God will do squat.

All of that day dreaming about God is in your head. That is it.

Yep. Keep on talking like this so that you can't hear the voice of the Holy Spirit calling to you through all your yammering.

Cause and effect is part of the scientific proof that God exists. And it is also the part that shows He takes a personal interest in your life and the lives of everyone else.

Darth Vader said something to the effect of, "You don't know the power of the dark side." God is far beyond all that, having made everything, and understanding and controlling all the cause and effect everywhere, universally. As far as our strength goes, resistance isn't futile, it is nonexistent, except that God allows the appearance of it.

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I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

No it doesn't go like that, the reason many atheist disagree(it's not hate) to religion is because of the dogma and teachings they have. I know there are good sides of the bible but there are also dark side of them which making things worst.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism-superstition

Atheists generally are not bad people, just like people of other religions.

I simply wish that atheists would wake up and see that science theory is not known to be fact. When something that is not known to be fact is promoted AS fact, and when it has a lot of writing pertaining to it, then the science theory starts to become religion, and the writing about it becomes the dogma.

For example, Big Bang Theory is theory simply because it is not known to be fact. Hydrolysis is science fact because it is understood and used all over the place. But nobody will ever be able to determine if Big Bang Theory ever really happened, because there are (supposedly) 13 billion years separating us from BB times, and nobody can tell how many other events might have happened in all that time to make us FEEL like there was a Big Bang.

The things of many religions are unknown to be factual. Yet many of these things are treated as factual by religious people. Religious dogma has to do with writings about religious things that are not know to be factual.

Big Bang Theory is unknown to be factual. Big Bang theory is treated as factual all over the place. Big Bang writings must be Big Bang dogma. Big Bang is religion. Science theory that is believed to be truth is religion.

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Bigbang theory is treated as factual because it is backed up with supporting details and when there's a loophole into the theory they change it and replace with a more reasonable that doesn't contradict the law of nature.

Just want to remind you too that factual is different from the truth. Factual is the representation of the truth and it is changeable when something into it contradicts law of nature.

To be clear, No one knows the truth when it comes to the beginning of the universe but we do have representations of it, and by representaiton we're the one who's making a choice what representation we will use, if we will use the
big bang theory which is base thru evidence that goes to law of nature and changeable whenever new theories is more reliable
or
a religion that is base with faith and unchangeable.

Actually, I have seen 3 Big Bang Theories that are different enough that they can't fit together. In addition, none of the 4 major Black Hole Theories fit in any of the Big Bang Universes described by the BB Theories.

Further, until someone can actually come up with a real time viewer, even if we came up with a hundred working BB Theories, they would all have to remain in the realm of the unknown until we could actually prove one of them to exist.

In addition, if all of those BB Theories were actual, potentially real universe beginnings, we still couldn't accept them until we could rule out everything else.

The scientific facts of cause and effect, universal entropy, and complex universe, combine to prove that God exists. We would have to rule out God, or definitely determine that He used Big Bang, before BB could be accepted as fact.

Worship the Big Bang, which is neither here nor there regarding our lives. Rather, forget the stupid thing and focus on something we have scientific proof for... God.

Besides, what truths aren't factual, and what facts aren't truthful?

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If your saying that everything has a cause then you mean your god has a creator too, and if not then your argument does undergo special pleading. It somehow contradicts your statement that an uncause cause should exist in your argument everything has a cause.

Does universal entropy and complex universe is taken in the holy book you're reading? Or you just credited the work of science to cover up your god and make your argument reasonable?

Isn't it Ironic that your making out of context in the holy book with the work of science.

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I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

In my opinion atheist were people who lost their faith in god, when they go in-depth into science. Also when prayers don't go effective people gets changed to atheists.

You want reasons? How about:

- 6 million of "chosen people" killed in WWII, sky daddy did squat
- holly men raping children, sky daddy does squat
- televangelists - need I say more?
- bible, quran, talmud - read those books to see what ridiculous shit they say
- rapists can go to heaven, but gays cannot, same for people with damaged testicles (actually this one is in the BIBLE)
- 6000 year old Earth
- Noah's ark
- Flying horses
- Flat Earth
- Dome/Firmament with waters above it....etc

need I go on?...The list is endless.

You are quite mixed up in all this, lacking knowledge of many pertinent parts, or else simply against God for your own reasons.

God is holding you alive. Pick up the opportunity He is offering you to be saved... before it is too late.

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Quote from: Cybertron00 on June 01, 2016, 11:38:14 PM

This why do thread is good man and because it is good ill answer it in my own opinion. According to what I know about atheists, They hate Religion because they do not believe in Gods in the first place. Why would they love religion if they don't believe that Gods or God exist?

All people have an inner, natural knowledge of God. Some people have taken the time to bury it in themselves so that they can barely see it.

Poor Moloch. Such a sensitive guy. I could love him as a friend.

As a child and youth Moloch had so much religion force on him in the wrong way, that he became angry, and forced God out of his life. Rather, he should have forced the false religion out of his mind, and kept the truth of God. As it is, he simply created or found a different religion that was easier for him to stomach.

Come on, Moloch. Turn back to the truth of God - not the stupidity of the formal religions - before it is too late for you.

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I understand that humans have created hundreds of religions, and thousands of gods

These religions tend to be contradictory in such a way that if one is right, all the others are wrong

From this it is clear that most religions and gods are definitely false, with a high probability that all of them are false

And the religion that is most false is atheism. Why? Atheists try to hide even from themselves that they are setting themselves up as gods by attempting to believe that there is no God, something that they know is not the truth. For even if there wasn't any God, the fact that they attempt to believe such a thing without really knowing it, is proof that they are making themselves out to be gods.

Atheism. The most clearly self-destroying religion.

Atheism... clearly better than your religion which describes exactly how to own slaves, who to buy them from, how much to pay for them, how badly you are allowed to beat them, etc

Atheism does not have a book which condones slavery, yet condemns homosexuals, witches and anyone who practices another religion... that would be bigotry... atheists tend to be anti-bigotry as a matter of principle

I can't believe a book which condones slavery, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry was written by a god

I do not have a holy book which talks about unicorns (bible), dragons (bible), djinn (quran), flying donkeys (quran), or other mythical creatures

The founder of my non-religion did not marry a 6-year old girl, and wait until she was 9 to rape her (Muhammad)

The fact that you are attempting to apply our standards to a time when they don't apply, shows taht you are either ignorant or else deceptive.

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Quote from: Moloch on June 01, 2016, 08:38:08 PM

I understand that humans have created hundreds of religions, and thousands of gods

These religions tend to be contradictory in such a way that if one is right, all the others are wrong

From this it is clear that most religions and gods are definitely false, with a high probability that all of them are false

But God created humans.

Why do you keep on promoting your personal, false religion?

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I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

No it doesn't go like that, the reason many atheist disagree(it's not hate) to religion is because of the dogma and teachings they have. I know there are good sides of the bible but there are also dark side of them which making things worst.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism-superstition

Atheists generally are not bad people, just like people of other religions.

I simply wish that atheists would wake up and see that science theory is not known to be fact. When something that is not known to be fact is promoted AS fact, and when it has a lot of writing pertaining to it, then the science theory starts to become religion, and the writing about it becomes the dogma.

For example, Big Bang Theory is theory simply because it is not known to be fact. Hydrolysis is science fact because it is understood and used all over the place. But nobody will ever be able to determine if Big Bang Theory ever really happened, because there are (supposedly) 13 billion years separating us from BB times, and nobody can tell how many other events might have happened in all that time to make us FEEL like there was a Big Bang.

The things of many religions are unknown to be factual. Yet many of these things are treated as factual by religious people. Religious dogma has to do with writings about religious things that are not know to be factual.

Big Bang Theory is unknown to be factual. Big Bang theory is treated as factual all over the place. Big Bang writings must be Big Bang dogma. Big Bang is religion. Science theory that is believed to be truth is religion.

Cool

Bigbang theory is treated as factual because it is backed up with supporting details and when there's a loophole into the theory they change it and replace with a more reasonable that doesn't contradict the law of nature.

Just want to remind you too that factual is different from the truth. Factual is the representation of the truth and it is changeable when something into it contradicts law of nature.

To be clear, No one knows the truth when it comes to the beginning of the universe but we do have representations of it, and by representaiton we're the one who's making a choice what representation we will use, if we will use the
big bang theory which is base thru evidence that goes to law of nature and changeable whenever new theories is more reliable
or
a religion that is base with faith and unchangeable.

Actually, I have seen 3 Big Bang Theories that are different enough that they can't fit together. In addition, none of the 4 major Black Hole Theories fit in any of the Big Bang Universes described by the BB Theories.

Further, until someone can actually come up with a real time viewer, even if we came up with a hundred working BB Theories, they would all have to remain in the realm of the unknown until we could actually prove one of them to exist.

In addition, if all of those BB Theories were actual, potentially real universe beginnings, we still couldn't accept them until we could rule out everything else.

The scientific facts of cause and effect, universal entropy, and complex universe, combine to prove that God exists. We would have to rule out God, or definitely determine that He used Big Bang, before BB could be accepted as fact.

Worship the Big Bang, which is neither here nor there regarding our lives. Rather, forget the stupid thing and focus on something we have scientific proof for... God.

Besides, what truths aren't factual, and what facts aren't truthful?

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Quote from: gilangIDR on June 01, 2016, 04:26:40 PM

I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

No it doesn't go like that, the reason many atheist disagree(it's not hate) to religion is because of the dogma and teachings they have. I know there are good sides of the bible but there are also dark side of them which making things worst.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism-superstition

Atheists generally are not bad people, just like people of other religions.

I simply wish that atheists would wake up and see that science theory is not known to be fact. When something that is not known to be fact is promoted AS fact, and when it has a lot of writing pertaining to it, then the science theory starts to become religion, and the writing about it becomes the dogma.

For example, Big Bang Theory is theory simply because it is not known to be fact. Hydrolysis is science fact because it is understood and used all over the place. But nobody will ever be able to determine if Big Bang Theory ever really happened, because there are (supposedly) 13 billion years separating us from BB times, and nobody can tell how many other events might have happened in all that time to make us FEEL like there was a Big Bang.

The things of many religions are unknown to be factual. Yet many of these things are treated as factual by religious people. Religious dogma has to do with writings about religious things that are not know to be factual.

Big Bang Theory is unknown to be factual. Big Bang theory is treated as factual all over the place. Big Bang writings must be Big Bang dogma. Big Bang is religion. Science theory that is believed to be truth is religion.

Cool

Bigbang theory is treated as factual because it is backed up with supporting details and when there's a loophole into the theory they change it and replace with a more reasonable that doesn't contradict the law of nature.

Just want to remind you too that factual is different from the truth. Factual is the representation of the truth and it is changeable when something into it contradicts law of nature.

To be clear, No one knows the truth when it comes to the beginning of the universe but we do have representations of it, and by representaiton we're the one who's making a choice what representation we will use, if we will use the
big bang theory which is base thru evidence that goes to law of nature and changeable whenever new theories is more reliable
or
a religion that is base with faith and unchangeable.

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Quote from: gilangIDR on June 01, 2016, 04:26:40 PM

I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

No it doesn't go like that, the reason many atheist disagree(it's not hate) to religion is because of the dogma and teachings they have. I know there are good sides of the bible but there are also dark side of them which making things worst.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism-superstition

Atheists generally are not bad people, just like people of other religions.

I simply wish that atheists would wake up and see that science theory is not known to be fact. When something that is not known to be fact is promoted AS fact, and when it has a lot of writing pertaining to it, then the science theory starts to become religion, and the writing about it becomes the dogma.

For example, Big Bang Theory is theory simply because it is not known to be fact. Hydrolysis is science fact because it is understood and used all over the place. But nobody will ever be able to determine if Big Bang Theory ever really happened, because there are (supposedly) 13 billion years separating us from BB times, and nobody can tell how many other events might have happened in all that time to make us FEEL like there was a Big Bang.

The things of many religions are unknown to be factual. Yet many of these things are treated as factual by religious people. Religious dogma has to do with writings about religious things that are not know to be factual.

Big Bang Theory is unknown to be factual. Big Bang theory is treated as factual all over the place. Big Bang writings must be Big Bang dogma. Big Bang is religion. Science theory that is believed to be truth is religion.

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Quote from: gilangIDR on June 01, 2016, 04:26:40 PM

I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

No it doesn't go like that, the reason many atheist disagree(it's not hate) to religion is because of the dogma and teachings they have. I know there are good sides of the bible but there are also dark side of them which making things worst.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/dark-side-theism-superstition

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Quote from: legendster on May 08, 2015, 11:30:31 AM

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

i am athiest, i do NOT hate religion
but you should NOT make assumptions that athiests HATE
as this clearly shows what athiests disagree with

People that follow religions are brainwashed to accept what is written,
or worse accept what they are told by man which usually differs from what is actually written.
There is no HATE towards anyone of any religion, HATE only comes from religions. (religions = wars)
If you want to be religious and live your life how someone else has told you, then that is your choice,
there is no hate towards you.

As an athiest i believe in myself only, if i have questions, then i find the answer by myself.

Now just because i am athiest also does not mean i am ignorant to religions, it just means i do not follow them.
i am not a fanboy of any religion.

all religious books do have some part in history IMO,
but the books are misinterprateted and have been misused by man in order to take control of populations.

too many discoveries that pre date religions are now uncovered and will soon need to be accepted by mainstream scholars,
which will contridict many religious beliefs

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Quote from: gilangIDR on June 01, 2016, 04:26:40 PM

I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

In my opinion atheist were people who lost their faith in god, when they go in-depth into science. Also when prayers don't go effective people gets changed to atheists.

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This why do thread is good man and because it is good ill answer it in my own opinion. According to what I know about atheists, They hate Religion because they do not believe in Gods in the first place. Why would they love religion if they don't believe that Gods or God exist?

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Quote from: Moloch on June 01, 2016, 08:38:08 PM

I understand that humans have created hundreds of religions, and thousands of gods

These religions tend to be contradictory in such a way that if one is right, all the others are wrong

From this it is clear that most religions and gods are definitely false, with a high probability that all of them are false

And the religion that is most false is atheism. Why? Atheists try to hide even from themselves that they are setting themselves up as gods by attempting to believe that there is no God, something that they know is not the truth. For even if there wasn't any God, the fact that they attempt to believe such a thing without really knowing it, is proof that they are making themselves out to be gods.

Atheism. The most clearly self-destroying religion.

Atheism... clearly better than your religion which describes exactly how to own slaves, who to buy them from, how much to pay for them, how badly you are allowed to beat them, etc

Atheism does not have a book which condones slavery, yet condemns homosexuals, witches and anyone who practices another religion... that would be bigotry... atheists tend to be anti-bigotry as a matter of principle

I can't believe a book which condones slavery, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry was written by a god

I do not have a holy book which talks about unicorns (bible), dragons (bible), djinn (quran), flying donkeys (quran), or other mythical creatures

The founder of my non-religion did not marry a 6-year old girl, and wait until she was 9 to rape her (Muhammad)

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Quote from: Moloch on June 01, 2016, 08:38:08 PM

I understand that humans have created hundreds of religions, and thousands of gods

These religions tend to be contradictory in such a way that if one is right, all the others are wrong

From this it is clear that most religions and gods are definitely false, with a high probability that all of them are false

And the religion that is most false is atheism. Why? Atheists try to hide even from themselves that they are setting themselves up as gods by attempting to believe that there is no God, something that they know is not the truth. For even if there wasn't any God, the fact that they attempt to believe such a thing without really knowing it, is proof that they are making themselves out to be gods.

Atheism. The most clearly self-destroying religion.

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I understand that humans have created hundreds of religions, and thousands of gods

These religions tend to be contradictory in such a way that if one is right, all the others are wrong

From this it is clear that most religions and gods are definitely false, with a high probability that all of them are false

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I understand it may be an atheist is a person who does not believe in the existence of god. so that they doubted that people had a religion is wrong. it is my understanding that it is very difficult to change.

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