Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 241. (Read 901518 times)

Do you believe that aliens exists?


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Actually, you don't understand anything well enough to understand whether or not I understand anything. This is proven by the fact that I wasn't mixing intelligence and complexity, but you seem to not be able to fathom this.


You have a long way to go if you don't know that entropy includes things wearing out and getting old and dying, as well as everything in the universe attempting to equalize throughout all time and space. Simple evaporation is a form of entropy-like operation.



No, it is you that is not logical.

Again, consider that intelligence exists. What made it? The only way that complex things are made in the universe is that something more complex caused them to exist as they do. This is evident from the complex machinery that people make. People are way more complex than the machinery that they make. So, whatever caused people and their intelligence to exist, must be way more complex and intelligent than people. Such intelligence fits the definition of the word "God."

Wake up.

Why did you say that?


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Not only is what you write not clear enough to understand what you mean, but also, you are probably entirely wrong.

You definitely don't understand anything.
First you confuse complexity and intelligence. It has nothing to see.

"Everything we have found shows that what is produced is at least slightly, bun mostly largely, degraded from what has made it (entropy)."
Totally wrong. It just means that energy naturally splits. Again you confuse intelligence to energy but they are not linked.

"This means that not only does the universe have purpose, but it has intelligence, as well."
Wroooooooooooooooooooong...
So has we're made out of startdust, stars have intelligence? And a purpose too? Cause it's from that that we come... And as we evolved from monkeys, it means that monkeys have a purpose too?

You're not logical dude.

That was Scientific Socialism (AKA: Communism).

Communism is the exact opposite of Faith (God).
You can see that by the fact that the last Communist standing nation (China) is promoting atheism as Country's "Religion".
Please look also this thread for more info on what is happening in China right now to Christian's Churches.
Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/china-continues-to-tear-down-crosses-from-zhejiangs-churches-1116405


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Personally, I'll stick to the dictionary definitions. However, your definition is inaccurate. If you think out my first response to organofcorti in my previous post in this thread, you will see that God exists, scientifically. You don't have to be an agnostic regarding the existence of God any longer.

So you think that a person can have purpose outside of the universe? Since the person is in the universe, and the purpose is in the person, purpose is also in the universe.

Furthermore, since people are a product of the universe, and since people have enough intelligence that they can have purpose, the universe that made them has purpose as well. Why? Because nowhere in the universe have we found that complexity is ever made by something that is less complexity. On the contrary. Everything we have found shows that what is produced is at least slightly, bun mostly largely, degraded from what has made it (entropy).

This means that not only does the universe have purpose, but it has intelligence, as well. Such intelligence fits the definition that we have of God. Since an atheist denies God in the face of the fact that we know God exists, the atheist has a religion for himself.

Grant you, this is a simple explanation. If you flesh it out, you will see that it is entirely accurate.


How about this example. There are some very small monkeys in the world. We make some of them into pets.

Imagine that you have a small, pet monkey in your hand. The monkey has a peanut in his hand. Do you not also have the peanut in your hand? The universe has purpose, even if it is only your purpose.



In the theories of the mega-universe, where there are parallel universes that all occupy the same space, what you say might be true. Why? There is theory that the spirit/soul/identity of each person resides in a separate universe from the spirit/soul/identity of every other person, even though it is expressed on earth in a body that occupies the same universe as all other human bodies.

If this, or something like this, is the fact, it is possible that there are some universes that don't have purpose (of course, only if universes don't have purpose of themselves... a thing that we don't know). Why? Because there might be some people who don't have purpose. Thus, their universe might not have purpose, as well.

As you can see from all this that I have written in this post, atheism is almost definitely a religion.

I just realised that my definition was wrong: God in italian is Dio which is DI+O (not D+IO, no "I" first singular personal pronoun here).

So...

"I don't know."
This question is not in the right place.
This question shouldn't be there.


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Whatever the dictionary, there is actually at least 4 definitions of God. Not that I can't look into a dictionary, more that I wanted HIS definition of God. And you perfectly know that. Just try to discredit me by being sarcastic.

Here is my definition for example:  a god is a supernatural being existing solely thanks to the faith of human beings.

Not your common definition no?



For me a god is a supernatural being existing solely thanks to the faith of human beings. So gods exist as long as some humans have faith in them. Not sure it's the same definition for you.

Can you define the word God?


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I wonder what kind of institution m0gliE is living in that they allow him to get on Bitcointalk, but they don't allow him to use an online dictionary.

God in italian is "Dio" which is D+Io ("Io" is the first singular personal pronoun, "I" in English).

The word "Dio" in italian sounds like a super version of "I" (the subject using the word).

The corresponding word in English would be "GI" which explains nothing.

I'll ask you: can you define the word God?


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Could you define the word God?

I understand that you cannot answer the question "Does God exist?" so I'll ask you a question:
Do you believe in God?


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Approved. that's exactly what I meant by saying I'm agnostic. Saying that the question of divine existence or purpose is not answerable by humanity.

Are you sure you can read Bitnow? or do you just selectively read the specific words that float your boat?

I understand that you are concerned about happiness: what impact of mine don't you like it?

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"Replying to a question with another question is not an answer... is the best way to avoid a question."

No need to give new order... there is already one and it is written in the Bible.

Are you an atheist?

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Agnostic means somebody that knowing that the question "does God exists?" leads to a question of Faith prefer to avoid the question, or it does avoid questions on deities.

Here there is the Wikipedia defintion if that does makes you more comfortable:
"Agnosticism is the view that, the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable."
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

I have no intention of avoiding the question, that is the reason cause I'm in this thread.


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I'm not quite sure that last part -- "believing in spooky night stories" -- is correct. Did you mean something else by that?

JFY. Agnostic means someone who knows that something is out there and isn't denying it.

Atheists are the ones who deny gods and demons, but believe in spooky night stories.