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legendary
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January 15, 2016, 04:48:30 AM
Faith to me is knowing that whatever I do, Zeus is watching over me... One day through keen worship of the one true god ZEUS I hope to get to Valhalla.

You think Zeus is watching over you because you are wise.
"Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord,
and humility comes before honor.
"
- Pro 15:33

Wisdom leads to science.

Do you hate Science?



Responding to a response?

That is not semantically correct.

Thank You.


Best regards.

Oh my god! How many pages do you intend to avoid answering a simple question? Let me clarify for you:

1. You, BitNow, think that

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

2. BADecker believes that an idol is:

1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.

You can't both be correct. Either a religion can or can not worship an idol. You think it can't. BADecker thinks a religion can worship an idol. Which of you is correct and why?


There is no difference in there, neither a question.


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January 15, 2016, 04:47:09 AM
Responding to a response?

That is not semantically correct.

Thank You.


Best regards.

Oh my god! How many pages do you intend to avoid answering a simple question? Let me simplify for you:

1. You, BitNow, think that

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

2. BADecker believes that an idol is:

1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.

You can't both be correct. Either a religion can or can not worship an idol. You think it can't. BADecker thinks a religion can worship an idol. Which of you is correct and why?
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January 15, 2016, 04:45:43 AM
Faith to me is knowing that whatever I do, Zeus is watching over me... One day through keen worship of the one true god ZEUS I hope to get to Valhalla.
legendary
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January 15, 2016, 04:32:22 AM
Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ?

Because they don't understand proper English.

What is Faith to you?


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January 15, 2016, 04:30:13 AM

The rest of the post you didn't quote. Here it is again:




BitNow, you say:

Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

However I show that there are opinions - for example from BADecker - that suggest this is not correct.




In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
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idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

(my bold, for emphasis)

BitNow, how do you respond?


So, BitNow, how do you respond?

Responding to a response?

That is not semantically correct.

Thank You.


Best regards.
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January 15, 2016, 04:25:24 AM

BitNow, how do you respond?

Respond to what?

The rest of the post you didn't quote. Here it is again:




BitNow, you say:

Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

However I show that there are opinions - for example from BADecker - that suggest this is not correct.




In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
Quote
idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
    the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

(my bold, for emphasis)

BitNow, how do you respond?


So, BitNow, how do you respond?
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January 15, 2016, 04:23:55 AM
Tangible proof our planet was created:



That's not tangible, that's a photograph.
legendary
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January 15, 2016, 04:23:28 AM

BitNow, how do you respond?

Respond to what?

I and user BADecker are on the same side: side of Faith (the law of God).

I repeat my question:

Faith: does it exist without God?

As you stated previously that you are an atheist, how do you relate to yourself the word Faith?


Thank You.


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legendary
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January 15, 2016, 04:01:39 AM
Nothing wrong with worship of idols, at least they're more tangible than an invisble, non-existant being that didn't create the world.

Tangible proof our planet was created:



BTW you spelled invisible and existent wrong, it's advisable to ensure your spelling is correct when trying to prove how smart you are when parroting the garbage science you've been force fed and believe with such absolute faith and conviction you'd never dare to question it. Wink
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January 15, 2016, 03:54:41 AM
I think, not every atheists hate religon but they hate the person who taught the religion in the right way.
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January 15, 2016, 03:43:24 AM
Nothing wrong with worship of idols, at least they're more tangible than an invisble, non-existant being that didn't create the world.
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January 14, 2016, 06:45:29 PM

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Sorry, I should be more clear.

BitNow, you say:

Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

However I show that there are opinions - for example from BADecker - that suggest this is not correct.




In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
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idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

(my bold, for emphasis)

BitNow, how do you respond?
legendary
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January 14, 2016, 06:29:23 PM
Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.



That doesn't seem to be a majority opinion. BADecker's definition is as follows:



The question is, is an atheist worshiping himself when he suggests that he is worshiping nothing? He is holding his views higher than God's, especially in the face of the scientific proof that God exists. The only strength that mankind has is from God.




In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
Quote
idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.


(my bold, for emphasis)

So, who is correct - your source or BADecker's source?

And, once again: How is atheism "idolatry"?



Once again, atheism is idolatry because the atheist is holding himself above God, as an idol, by stating that God does not exist.

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January 14, 2016, 06:12:39 PM
Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.



That doesn't seem to be a majority opinion. BADecker's definition is as follows:



The question is, is an atheist worshiping himself when he suggests that he is worshiping nothing? He is holding his views higher than God's, especially in the face of the scientific proof that God exists. The only strength that mankind has is from God.




In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
Quote
idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
   the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.


(my bold, for emphasis)

So, who is correct - your source or BADecker's source?

And, once again: How is atheism "idolatry"?

legendary
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January 14, 2016, 05:44:24 PM
Spirituality and the philosophy of a religion is one, but actually believing that there's something out there and other fairytales, in 21th century, is kind of... stupid. I mean, I don't hate religion or anything, I just don't go into that argument if not for the lulz. Believe in a three headed unicorn that shoots rainbow out of his ass, I don't really care, just don't shove it into other peoples throats...

Exactly! All this religion of science theory that is fiction is being shoved down the throats of our school children, often in ways that force them to accept it as truth. In addition, all that evolution theory fiction is being forced down the throats of everybody who trains to go into the medical.

At the same time, the science that proves the existence of God is totally ignored, even covered up, though it is simple to understand and right out in the open.

You have made such a good point here.

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January 14, 2016, 05:43:53 PM
Being atheist simply means you don't believe in the existence of god(s). You can be an atheist and still love, hate, or be indifferent towards religion.

Regarding my feelings on religion, on one hand I like how some religious people go above and beyond to be nice and supportive toward other human being. Like I remember this Christian meeting session where you get free food like cakes and cookies (yes, I'm that superficial). I remember being active in church once upon a time and everybody is like so friendly and happy and generous.

Yet there are darker sides to it. Like sometimes you feel that people are just being nice for the sake of the reward in afterlife. It feels hypocritical.

Worse off, I hate how religion can be used to justify pretty much anything. Then you get people like ISIS and Westboro.
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January 14, 2016, 04:48:49 PM
Spirituality and the philosophy of a religion is one, but actually believing that there's something out there and other fairytales, in 21th century, is kind of... stupid. I mean, I don't hate religion or anything, I just don't go into that argument if not for the lulz. Believe in a three headed unicorn that shoots rainbow out of his ass, I don't really care, just don't shove it into other peoples throats...
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January 14, 2016, 02:09:04 PM
^LOL Cause there aren't any homosexuals in Iran, rofl.
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January 14, 2016, 02:06:59 PM
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2.   WHO ARE THOSE WHO CALL PEOPLE TOWARDS GOD?
If we look at the life of all those men, who have called other people towards God, we find a surprising common thing about all of them, that they were very pious and righteous men. They were the people who were respected in their nations.....

I will only comment on this part of your discourse.  This is patently and demonstratably false.

It is well understood that "those men who have called other people toward God" can be sociopaths, homosexuals, narcissic, pedophil, alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals,  and have any and every other personality disorder, weakness or flaw that may be seen in the human character.  That of course is what one should expect.

Only in those countries where criticizing the Religions Men is a crime, or not allowed culturally, are such men and/or women "All pious and righteous men."  That is where you punish and do not allow anything else to be said.

And that's why you Muslims didn't like Salmon Rushbi.
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January 14, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
The existence of God looks like an obvious truth to the believers, but to the non-believers it is, as if covered with seven veils. I have gathered some points from every day logic and some from historical prospective to provide a base to prove existence of God to the non-believers. I understand that each point that follows could be a topic for discussion, but I have tried my best to put as much as possible in a limited space.

1.   All RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN GOD
Its an undeniable fact that all the religions on this earth claim to be from GOD. Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW), Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Baba Nanak and every religious leader taught people to believe and worship GOD. Although all religions have slight differences in the attributes they ascribe to God, but all the religions hold the common view that there is a God who has created this universe. History tells us that even those ancient religions that no longer exist in this world, they also held the view of God, whether they were in ancient America, or in jungles of Africa or in England, or in Java or Sumatra, or in Japan and China or in Siberia or in India. It is an important point that what's the reason for this thought provoking unity among so varied religions? In the ancient times people were not linked together through any means of communication or transport, then how is it possible that people living in isolation thousands of mile away from each other, held the common view about the existence of God? Many of the lands were even not discovered at that time.Even now it is difficult for two persons to completely agree on any issue, then how come this universal unanimity regarding existence of God? All these facts lead us to the only possible conclusion that not only there is a living God but also that God has always manifested Himself through some means to his men to make them believe in Him. Historians agree that if there is such universal unanimity about any issue then there is no reason to disagree with it. Another fact worth noting is that there have been a small number of atheists all the times, this proves that the 'existence of God' is not related to any psychological need of human beings. In this world, one can lead ones life without acknowledging the existence of God, though he will be attempting to close his eyes to the very obvious and clear truth.

2.   WHO ARE THOSE WHO CALL PEOPLE TOWARDS GOD?
If we look at the life of all those men, who have called other people towards God, we find a surprising common thing about all of them, that they were very pious and righteous men. They were the people who were respected in their nations. They were true people, who spent their lives to guide people to the right path. They persuaded people to shun oppressing others. They taught to look after the poor and needy. They fought all their life against the unjust rulers of the time. They were invariably opposed by the people in power at that time, although They were highly honoured and valued for the purity of their character, even by those who later, on the announcement of their claims, became their enemies. It is inconceivable that those who did not lie about men, began suddenly to lie about God. They were the people whose lives were exemplary for others. Whether it is Indian Krishna, or Irani Zoroaster or Egyptian Moses, or Israelite Christ or Punjabi Baba Nanak, or Leader of the righteous Muhammad (SAW) who was given the title of Trustworthy by his nation from his very youth and who challenged his nation that he had led all of his life among them and Could they point out to any single lie or felony in his life? So all these righteous persons who came to this world at different times and places, all of them say one thing in common... "There is a GOD.... There is a GOD...." Not only they claimed that there is a God but also they claimed that He talked to them.
One may find great philosophers or scholars in the world who have done great works, but their work cannot be compared to the work of those righteous persons. Actually if we study the lives of those philosophers we find that no great deeds compared to their lofty sayings. Why is it that these great philosophers were not able to exhibit that righteousness which was shown by people from GOD? The people whose names I have mentioned above, all of them faced great hardships in the life due to their teachings but nothing could lead them astray from the true path. Their killings were planned, they were exiled from their homes and they were boycotted, but they never gave up their beliefs. Why did not they tell lie and relieve themselves from those hardships that were imposed on them just because of their true belief in God. Their lack of interest in material desires proves it that they were selfless people. When such truthful and trustworthy people are saying it in unison, that they have met with God, they have listened His voice and they have experienced his manifestations, then it really leaves us with no doubt. Even in this material world the people whom we know that they are habitual liars, when they go to a court and speak something under an oath, they are believed, then why don't we believe in those righteous persons?
(source:alislam.org)
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