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legendary
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January 14, 2016, 09:15:31 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?

Plenty of religions worship images as gods.

Quoting myself:


In that case, you consider any dogmatic personal interest to be a religion. Law must be religion for police and lawyers; medicine a religion for doctors; computers a religion for IT specialists. Doesn't that seem to be a bit extreme?



A Religion is a sets of dogmas on Faith.


Here the word Faith means faith in the Supreme.

Something that worship an idol is not a Religion.

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Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry differ within and between them. In other religions the use of idols is accepted.
(my italics)  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


So I repeat my question: How is atheism "idolatry"?


I repeat my question:

Faith: does it exist without God?

As you stated previously that you are an atheist, how do you relate to yourself the word Faith?


Thank You


Best regards.
legendary
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January 14, 2016, 07:27:46 AM
I already told you that there is BIG difference between God and Supreme. God, Alien or ET is the same thing and Supreme is a title...
Lot's of people tell lots of other people stuff.

If you can't understand that God means the Supreme Being according to dictionary definitions, nobody is going to be able to help you.


Tesla was the only scientist who understand then meaning of the Special Theory of Relativity! You can check this in his quotes about Einstein...
Okay, great! I don't care if Tesla was the only one who understood the Special Theory of Relativity, or if all the people of India understood it. Thanks for the info.


Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

I think it's time to read the interview of Nicola Tesla from 1899...

I think it is time you understood that God deals with truth. Science theory that is not fact is not truth. It is falsehood. God and good spirits do not express falsehood. However, at some times the evil spirits do express falsehood. If you don't compare what the spirits say with the things that the Word of God (the Bible) says, how are you ever going to know if you are listening to truth or falsehood from the spirits? Is it the truth simply because you feel like it is? Is it the truth simply because you want it to be?

Wake up.

Smiley

''The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.'' - Nikola Tesla

This man change the world and you don't care about this?

God rewards anyone who recognizes He exists. And He rewards them more if they seek Him.

Tesla changed the world. And, he is dead. Some of his changes were great. Too bad he couldn't protect the changes from evil men.

Smiley

Well, let me tell you something about Tesla... After he devote his entire life to study the spiritual world throughout the science, he found out that everything what is written in the Bible can be decoded throughout the Yoga! Smiley

Tesla was very smart. Probably he was using an early form of what would become modern Quantum Math in his future.

Thank Goodness that we have the Bible, because not even the Indians who use Yoga have done this decoding without seeing the Bible first... if they have even done it then.

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January 14, 2016, 07:15:00 AM
I already told you that there is BIG difference between God and Supreme. God, Alien or ET is the same thing and Supreme is a title...
Lot's of people tell lots of other people stuff.

If you can't understand that God means the Supreme Being according to dictionary definitions, nobody is going to be able to help you.


Tesla was the only scientist who understand then meaning of the Special Theory of Relativity! You can check this in his quotes about Einstein...
Okay, great! I don't care if Tesla was the only one who understood the Special Theory of Relativity, or if all the people of India understood it. Thanks for the info.


Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

I think it's time to read the interview of Nicola Tesla from 1899...

I think it is time you understood that God deals with truth. Science theory that is not fact is not truth. It is falsehood. God and good spirits do not express falsehood. However, at some times the evil spirits do express falsehood. If you don't compare what the spirits say with the things that the Word of God (the Bible) says, how are you ever going to know if you are listening to truth or falsehood from the spirits? Is it the truth simply because you feel like it is? Is it the truth simply because you want it to be?

Wake up.

Smiley

''The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.'' - Nikola Tesla

This man change the world and you don't care about this?

God rewards anyone who recognizes He exists. And He rewards them more if they seek Him.

Tesla changed the world. And, he is dead. Some of his changes were great. Too bad he couldn't protect the changes from evil men.

Smiley

Well, let me tell you something about Tesla... After he devote his entire life to study the spiritual world throughout the science, he found out that everything what is written in the Bible can be decoded throughout the Yoga! Smiley
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January 14, 2016, 06:39:49 AM

Atheism is idolatry in this way.

God exists, and says that He is above all in the Bible. Atheists say He doesn't exist. Because of this, atheists are setting themselves up higher than God in their hearts. Atheism makes mankind out to be the the god. But since mankind is NOT God, atheists are setting themselves up as an idol. This is the religion of humanism. This is idolatry.

Smiley

No, that was sophistry. An idolator needs to worship an idol. An atheist worships nothing.

The question is, is an atheist worshiping himself when he suggests that he is worshiping nothing? He is holding his views higher than God's, especially in the face of the scientific proof that God exists. The only strength that mankind has is from God.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry:
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Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god.
The fact that an atheist doesn't know that he is worshiping himself doesn't make it untrue.

From http://www.gotquestions.org/idolatry-definition.html:
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The definition of idolatry, according to Webster, is “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.” An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idolatry?s=t:
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idolatry
[ahy-dol-uh-tree]

noun, plural idolatries.
1. the religious worship of idols.
2. excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
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idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
    the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

An atheist is definitely an idolater.

Smiley

Sorry, I'm just not understanding what you're saying, or what the comparison is that you're drawing. Can you provide a concrete example - what exactly is it that you think atheists are worshiping?


It is like this.

God is creator of all and is over all.

Anyone who is able to worship God and does not do so is at best simply undecided or ignorant.

An atheist sets himself up as greater than God by claiming that God does not exist... especially in the face of the evidence of the existence of the universe that shows that God exists.

The atheist is idolizing himself in this way, in a more foundational way than someone idolizes some movie star singer. He is an idolator. He may not think that he is an idolator, but according to the definitions, he is, no matter what he thinks.

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January 14, 2016, 05:29:29 AM
Atheism is idolatry in this way.

God exists, and says that He is above all in the Bible. Atheists say He doesn't exist. Because of this, atheists are setting themselves up higher than God in their hearts. Atheism makes mankind out to be the the god. But since mankind is NOT God, atheists are setting themselves up as an idol. This is the religion of humanism. This is idolatry.

Smiley

No, that was sophistry. An idolator needs to worship an idol. An atheist worships nothing.



The question is, is an atheist worshiping himself when he suggests that he is worshiping nothing? He is holding his views higher than God's, especially in the face of the scientific proof that God exists. The only strength that mankind has is from God.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry:
Quote
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god.
The fact that an atheist doesn't know that he is worshiping himself doesn't make it untrue.

From http://www.gotquestions.org/idolatry-definition.html:
Quote
The definition of idolatry, according to Webster, is “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.” An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idolatry?s=t:
Quote
idolatry
[ahy-dol-uh-tree]

noun, plural idolatries.
1. the religious worship of idols.
2. excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
Quote
idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
    the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

An atheist is definitely an idolater.

Smiley

Sorry, I'm just not understanding what you're saying, or what the comparison is that you're drawing. Can you provide a concrete example - what exactly is it that you think atheists are worshiping?

legendary
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January 14, 2016, 05:18:54 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?

Plenty of religions worship images as gods.

Quote
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry differ within and between them. In other religions the use of idols is accepted.
(my italics) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


So I repeat my question: How is atheism "idolatry"?


Atheism is idolatry in this way.

God exists, and says that He is above all in the Bible. Atheists say He doesn't exist. Because of this, atheists are setting themselves up higher than God in their hearts. Atheism makes mankind out to be the the god. But since mankind is NOT God, atheists are setting themselves up as an idol. This is the religion of humanism. This is idolatry.

Smiley

No, that was sophistry. An idolator needs to worship an idol. An atheist worships nothing.

The question is, is an atheist worshiping himself when he suggests that he is worshiping nothing? He is holding his views higher than God's, especially in the face of the scientific proof that God exists. The only strength that mankind has is from God.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry:
Quote
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god.
The fact that an atheist doesn't know that he is worshiping himself doesn't make it untrue.

From http://www.gotquestions.org/idolatry-definition.html:
Quote
The definition of idolatry, according to Webster, is “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.” An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idolatry?s=t:
Quote
idolatry
[ahy-dol-uh-tree]

noun, plural idolatries.
1. the religious worship of idols.
2. excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

In conjunction with the above, from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol:
Quote
idol
[ahyd-l]

noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
    an image of a deity other than God.
    the deity itself.
3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion:
Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.
6. a false conception or notion; fallacy.

An atheist is definitely an idolater.

Smiley
legendary
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January 14, 2016, 04:46:25 AM
Well, You are the exception when you state: " I am a Christian but have no problem with people who are gay,atheist, or from a different religion."
If you are talking to me, I don't recall stating this. Do you have the quote reference location?

Do gays, atheists and people of false religions have lives at all? Of course they do. I didn't make them live. God made them live... even though they will all die sometime. God has not placed me or most Christians into a position of authority to judge when to put the ungodly and unrighteous to death, or even punish them.


I would gather from this statement -- as opposed to the stand of many Christians -- that you would allow an atheist to hold public office -- NOT allowed in many areas of the country, and agree that gays TOO have the civil right to marriage.
God has not placed me into a position of power and authority so that I can determine any of this. It doesn't mean that I don't recognize sin, or that I love the evil that is going on.


Too often, some "religious believers" DO have such trouble with opposing beliefs. And when they characterize people with different beliefs, (or no religious belief) as sinners and immoral, and worse not even capable of living a moral life, then many people, including atheist, start to object.

Too often these "religious believers" practice unjust discrimination toward people who believe differently.

In some fanatical cases it even escalates into violence.
This is at least partially true. However, God uses everything to get the things that He wants done, done.

When somewhat ignorant Christians physically fight peaceful but more ignorant non-Christians, such Christians are probably wrong in doing this. But God uses it to teach His people, and to put down rebellion against God in the ungodly. Only God and a few wise people understand what is going on in the background.


You ask about RESPECT? I am sorry. I CAN NOT respect anyone who because of their irrational and inherently contradictory "beliefs" bring unjust suffering and pain into this world. When "believers" teach their children to ignore logic and reason in favor of bigotry and blind faith, then this is destructive to society.

Too often the phrase "I love the sinner but hate the sin" leads to hatred of the supposed sinner. Some Christians (and others of other faiths) may STATE that they love their fellow man, but their ACTIONS prove otherwise.

When bigoted "believers" start spending millions to pass hate legislation and to deny segments of our society their JUST civil rights in the name of their "religion" THEN sorry I simply can NOT respect their beliefs.

And they are correct, too often in the past, religion HAS led to unjust war, persecutions, violence, and such" just read some history. When religious fanatics obtain secular power, all manner of injustice and horrific persecutions Proceed. Just look at the history of the Catholic Church in the Middle ages.

It is BECAUSE many people of 'religious belief" CAN NOT in fact respect the differing beliefs of others which causes the problem.

And even when egregious actions do not take place, just by the fact that so many "religious people" condemn and judge others around them, and make every effort to alienate from family, government, and church, and other societal institutions, those who "believe differently" this itself brings too much unnecessary pain and suffering to innocent people.

Just read some of the replies on this forum concerning abortion, gay rights, gay marriage, and even something as inflammatory as evolution, and you will see my point.
A Christian - a person who believes in Jesus salvation - is not all knowing. Just because he is a Christian doesn't mean he has all wisdom and understanding, and always uses the best judgement. However, a Christian has the most important piece of knowledge and understanding that exists. He has salvation to everlasting life with God.

Did I ask about respect? ALL people fit into the cast of irrational in their understandings and beliefs. Respect the person for the fact that he is a person. Don't respect his knowledge and understanding if you think they are wrong. Why? Because you are not any better, and are "condemning" yourself to a life of self-disrespect when you disrespect others rather than their beliefs.


When a child is taught to ignore scientific evidence, to ignore logic, to ignore reason, and make their moral judgments based on ignorance and bigotry and moral codes which no reasonable person can follow, and on obviously UNTRUE statements (or untrue interpretations of statements) found in writings 2000 years old, this is itself seen by many (including atheists) as IMMORAL and damaging to the very children they are raising.
This is true. As an example, the science of passing an electric current through water that is not distilled to produce separated oxygen and hydrogen gasses, is factual science. Science that says that the Big Bang happened is not factual science (although to the atheist it might be).

When a person believes that something that has not been determined to be fact, is indeed fact (like many people believe about the Big Bang and much other science theory), have they not formed a religion for themselves in certain ways? In addition, when I show that God exists scientifically, by factual laws of science, and nobody can refute it even though they talk about attempted refutations, and even they talk like it has been refuted, who has the irrational religion?


Bad psychology is bad theology. Yet many people of religious belief totally ignore the consequences of their beliefs and the forcing of these beliefs on too many vulnerable children.

For just one small example, the suicide rate in this country of gay teens is not 4 to 10 times that of non-gay teens because of nothing. Violence towards gays did not increase 4 fold in CA after the fighting over Prop 8 for nothing. People's beliefs have consequences, and when these consequences bring harm to innocent people, then sorry I can NOt respect those beliefs.

And you obviously do not know your 10 commandments. Please explain which one speaks of do not hate your fellow man? And this brings in an important issue. NO ONE today, NO ONE follows the 10 commandments as they were understood by the Hebrew when they were FIRST written. MORAL CODE changes!
I guess that you are not talking to me. So, I apologize if I act like you are.

Moral code does not change. Why not? People do not change.

While we are a weaker people than the people who lived at the time the Ten Commandments were written, we are not different. Look at the statues and engravings from that time. People back then had heads, arms and legs, hands and feet, and torsos, just like they do today. The workings of their minds and spirits have not changed, either.


People today do NOT follow the Bible -- and for this we should be VERY thankful. But to claim that the Bible is an inerrant source for moral code today IS A LARGE PART OF THE PROBLEM! First of all, nothing could be further from the truth. But on the other hand, most people FIRST formulate their beliefs, and THEN use the Bible to validate them.
Actually, the reason for problems in life is that people do NOT follow the Bible.

Uri Harel, a great, late, Jewish rabbi and scholar, has shown that there are only 12 mistakes in the Old Testament. These mistakes are not the kind that change any of the teaching or theme. They are simply mistakes where we don't understand exactly how the Hebrew letters fit together to form what is being said by God.

God is keeping His word pure. He is at the same time showing us that we are imperfect beings, no matter how hard we try to remain perfect.


PLEASE -- this is WHY atheist so adamantly dislike your religion. STOP formulating moral code based on an ignorant so-called book of revealed truth formulated by ignorant men, when such moral code brings unnecessary pain, harm, and suffering.

There is much of human wisdom written in the Christian scriptures. But to claim that ALL of this scripture is to be used as a conclusive source of moral code is the height of ignorance, irrationality, and limits the pursuit of justice in today's society..

You have a lot to learn when you think that immoral code is going to bring more peace and goodness than moral code.

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January 14, 2016, 04:34:51 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?

Plenty of religions worship images as gods.

Quote
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry differ within and between them. In other religions the use of idols is accepted.
(my italics) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


So I repeat my question: How is atheism "idolatry"?


Atheism is idolatry in this way.

God exists, and says that He is above all in the Bible. Atheists say He doesn't exist. Because of this, atheists are setting themselves up higher than God in their hearts. Atheism makes mankind out to be the the god. But since mankind is NOT God, atheists are setting themselves up as an idol. This is the religion of humanism. This is idolatry.

Smiley

No, that was sophistry. An idolator needs to worship an idol. An atheist worships nothing.
legendary
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January 14, 2016, 04:05:18 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?

Plenty of religions worship images as gods.

Quote
Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry differ within and between them. In other religions the use of idols is accepted.
(my italics) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


So I repeat my question: How is atheism "idolatry"?


Atheism is idolatry in this way.

God exists, and says that He is above all in the Bible. Atheists say He doesn't exist. Because of this, atheists are setting themselves up higher than God in their hearts. Atheism makes mankind out to be the the god. But since mankind is NOT God, atheists are setting themselves up as an idol. This is the religion of humanism. This is idolatry.

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January 14, 2016, 04:02:09 AM
Well, You are the exception when you state: " I am a Christian but have no problem with people who are gay,atheist, or from a different religion."

I would gather from this statement -- as opposed to the stand of many Christians -- that you would allow an atheist to hold public office -- NOT allowed in many areas of the country, and agree that gays TOO have the civil right to marriage.

Too often, some "religious believers" DO have such trouble with opposing beliefs. And when they characterize people with different beliefs, (or no religious belief) as sinners and immoral, and worse not even capable of living a moral life, then many people, including atheist, start to object.

Too often these "religious believers" practice unjust discrimination toward people who believe differently.

In some fanatical cases it even escalates into violence.

You ask about RESPECT? I am sorry. I CAN NOT respect anyone who because of their irrational and inherently contradictory "beliefs" bring unjust suffering and pain into this world. When "believers" teach their children to ignore logic and reason in favor of bigotry and blind faith, then this is destructive to society.

Too often the phrase "I love the sinner but hate the sin" leads to hatred of the supposed sinner. Some Christians (and others of other faiths) may STATE that they love their fellow man, but their ACTIONS prove otherwise.

When bigoted "believers" start spending millions to pass hate legislation and to deny segments of our society their JUST civil rights in the name of their "religion" THEN sorry I simply can NOT respect their beliefs.

And they are correct, too often in the past, religion HAS led to unjust war, persecutions, violence, and such" just read some history. When religious fanatics obtain secular power, all manner of injustice and horrific persecutions Proceed. Just look at the history of the Catholic Church in the Middle ages.

It is BECAUSE many people of 'religious belief" CAN NOT in fact respect the differing beliefs of others which causes the problem.

And even when egregious actions do not take place, just by the fact that so many "religious people" condemn and judge others around them, and make every effort to alienate from family, government, and church, and other societal institutions, those who "believe differently" this itself brings too much unnecessary pain and suffering to innocent people.

Just read some of the replies on this forum concerning abortion, gay rights, gay marriage, and even something as inflammatory as evolution, and you will see my point.

When a child is taught to ignore scientific evidence, to ignore logic, to ignore reason, and make their moral judgments based on ignorance and bigotry and moral codes which no reasonable person can follow, and on obviously UNTRUE statements (or untrue interpretations of statements) found in writings 2000 years old, this is itself seen by many (including atheists) as IMMORAL and damaging to the very children they are raising.

Bad psychology is bad theology. Yet many people of religious belief totally ignore the consequences of their beliefs and the forcing of these beliefs on too many vulnerable children.

For just one small example, the suicide rate in this country of gay teens is not 4 to 10 times that of non-gay teens because of nothing. Violence towards gays did not increase 4 fold in CA after the fighting over Prop 8 for nothing. People's beliefs have consequences, and when these consequences bring harm to innocent people, then sorry I can NOt respect those beliefs.

And you obviously do not know your 10 commandments. Please explain which one speaks of do not hate your fellow man? And this brings in an important issue. NO ONE today, NO ONE follows the 10 commandments as they were understood by the Hebrew when they were FIRST written. MORAL CODE changes!

People today do NOT follow the Bible -- and for this we should be VERY thankful. But to claim that the Bible is an inerrant source for moral code today IS A LARGE PART OF THE PROBLEM! First of all, nothing could be further from the truth. But on the other hand, most people FIRST formulate their beliefs, and THEN use the Bible to validate them.

PLEASE -- this is WHY atheist so adamantly dislike your religion. STOP formulating moral code based on an ignorant so-called book of revealed truth formulated by ignorant men, when such moral code brings unnecessary pain, harm, and suffering.

There is much of human wisdom written in the Christian scriptures. But to claim that ALL of this scripture is to be used as a conclusive source of moral code is the height of ignorance, irrationality, and limits the pursuit of justice in today's society..
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January 14, 2016, 03:59:23 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?



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How can you miss it?  Grin


Missing what?!?

So you you're satisfied with going on faith despite the good book specifically stating otherwise; 1 Thessalonians 5:21?

That's precisely why I'm discussing that: I need to sort out Old Testament before going to the new one.

Old testament: atheism is a capital sin.
1. Sin of Idolatry
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
- Ex 20:3 (1st Commandement)
2. Pusnishment is death
"The Sin of the Calf"
- Ex 32:4

Thank You


Best regards.


PS: N.2 not really something I like to discuss about.

From Micah 6:8 (Old Testament):
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He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

This is for you, both to see how you are obeying, and to learn how to obey better.

Make just judgment in your heart about the things that people say and do, whether it is righteous or not. Warn people when they sin, as you have been doing.

Then, in mercy, give them the benefit of the doubt. Why? Because you are not perfect either, and you absolutely DO want God to give you the benefit of the doubt so that you are not punished and destroyed.

Then, Walk humbly with God, as you are doing by studying His Word, so that you learn all the ways that God wants you to live, and the ways that He wants you to treat others.

If a time ever comes that God places you in a position of power, a position where you have the duty of judging other people's lives while rewarding an punishing them, at that time wisely show mercy, and wisely punish.

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January 14, 2016, 03:47:05 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry


No quite, actually here is the full dictionary definition of the word "idolatry":

noun, plural idolatries.
1. the religious worship of idols.
2. excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

BitNow is a strong supporter of idolatry as he worships the Pope. Fits definition #2 like a glove.  Cheesy

BitNow don't forget....

1. Sin of Idolatry
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
- Ex 20:3 (1st Commandement)
2. Pusnishment is death
"The Sin of the Calf"
- Ex 32:4

 So when you due for your punishment?

From Isaiah 66:2b, God speaking through Isaiah:
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This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.

BitNow is humble, humble enough that he seeks God and tries to obey Him. BitNow is contrite, sorry for his sins and mistakes, and tries to do better. BitNow trembles at God's Word, constantly studying and trying to reconcile what goes on in life with what God wants done.

But you, Fluffer. You are bold, not humble, when you stand up against God and His word. You certainly aren't contrite, because you continue to express that you are against God, if only by trying to ignore His existence. And the only trembling you might happen to do at God's word is laughter.

The point? If BitNow gets punishment for not being correct enough, your punishment will be utter destruction in painful agony.

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legendary
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January 14, 2016, 12:23:53 AM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry


No quite, actually here is the full dictionary definition of the word "idolatry":

noun, plural idolatries.
1. the religious worship of idols.
2. excessive or blind adoration, reverence, devotion, etc.

BitNow is a strong supporter of idolatry as he worships the Pope. Fits definition #2 like a glove.  Cheesy

BitNow don't forget....

1. Sin of Idolatry
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
- Ex 20:3 (1st Commandement)
2. Pusnishment is death
"The Sin of the Calf"
- Ex 32:4

 So when you due for your punishment?
donator
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Poor impulse control.
January 13, 2016, 07:45:22 PM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?

Plenty of religions worship images as gods.

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Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry differ within and between them. In other religions the use of idols is accepted.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry


So I repeat my question: How is atheism "idolatry"?
hero member
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January 13, 2016, 06:21:30 PM
The answer is simple. You can do whatever you want in the name of the creator (different names belong to in every religion)
Religions are here only for poor to not kill rich and obey their rules.
legendary
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January 13, 2016, 05:58:06 PM

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?

"Idolatry means the worship of images as if they were gods."
- https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/idolatry

Where do you see the word Religion in that definition?



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I don't see anything.

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How can you miss it?  Grin


Missing what?!?

So you you're satisfied with going on faith despite the good book specifically stating otherwise; 1 Thessalonians 5:21?

That's precisely why I'm discussing that: I need to sort out Old Testament before going to the new one.

Old testament: atheism is a capital sin.
1. Sin of Idolatry
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
- Ex 20:3 (1st Commandement)
2. Pusnishment is death
"The Sin of the Calf"
- Ex 32:4

Thank You


Best regards.


PS: N.2 not really something I like to discuss about.
legendary
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January 13, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
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I don't see anything.

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How can you miss it?  Grin

So you you're satisfied with going on faith despite the good book specifically stating otherwise; 1 Thessalonians 5:21?
legendary
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:^)
January 13, 2016, 04:41:35 PM

You post in a thread discussing attitudes of atheists, and yet you can't have a discussion with one. Is it typical of religionists to just make assumptions about a subject rather than ask someone who actually knows about it?

If I ever want to know about attitudes and beliefs of religionists, I ask a religionist. However if you want to ask about the beliefs of atheists, you ask another religionist? What sense does that make?

Given that Believing involves Faith, your post is the key of all the discussion: FAITH.

Faith: does it exist without God?

For BADecker (user) Faith can be unrelated to God and, as atheists show some form of faith, user BADecker comes to the conclusion that: atheism is a Religion (user BADecker conclusion).

My point:
- Leave faith of the atheists aside (1 less problem to take care of)
- Atheism is a capital sin (idolatry for 1st Commandement and punishment in the "Golden Calf episode", Ex 32:4)

As you stated previously that you are an atheist, how do you relate to yourself the word Faith?

Thank You


Best regards.

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?
what a wonderful thing to see here, reason in the midst of all this religious blabbering nonsense.
donator
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Poor impulse control.
January 13, 2016, 04:36:21 PM

You post in a thread discussing attitudes of atheists, and yet you can't have a discussion with one. Is it typical of religionists to just make assumptions about a subject rather than ask someone who actually knows about it?

If I ever want to know about attitudes and beliefs of religionists, I ask a religionist. However if you want to ask about the beliefs of atheists, you ask another religionist? What sense does that make?

Given that Believing involves Faith, your post is the key of all the discussion: FAITH.

Faith: does it exist without God?

For BADecker (user) Faith can be unrelated to God and, as atheists show some form of faith, user BADecker comes to the conclusion that: atheism is a Religion (user BADecker conclusion).

My point:
- Leave faith of the atheists aside (1 less problem to take care of)
- Atheism is a capital sin (idolatry for 1st Commandement and punishment in the "Golden Calf episode", Ex 32:4)

As you stated previously that you are an atheist, how do you relate to yourself the word Faith?

Thank You


Best regards.

A question before I answer yours: How is atheism "idolatry"? Isn't that reserved for other religions?
legendary
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January 13, 2016, 04:34:19 PM

You post in a thread discussing attitudes of atheists, and yet you can't have a discussion with one. Is it typical of religionists to just make assumptions about a subject rather than ask someone who actually knows about it?

If I ever want to know about attitudes and beliefs of religionists, I ask a religionist. However if you want to ask about the beliefs of atheists, you ask another religionist? What sense does that make?

Given that Believing involves Faith, your post is the key of all the discussion: FAITH.

Faith: does it exist without God?

For BADecker (user) Faith can't be unrelated to God and, as atheists show some form of faith, user BADecker comes to the conclusion that: atheism is a Religion (user BADecker conclusion).

My point:
- Leave faith of the atheists aside (1 less problem to take care of)
- Atheism is a capital sin (idolatry for 1st Commandement and punishment in the "Golden Calf episode", Ex 32:4)

As you stated previously that you are an atheist, how do you relate to yourself the word Faith?

Thank You


Best regards.
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