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Which of these seems more spiritually moving to you?

God created Earth, nebulas and all other beautiful things.
It makes me spiritually moved Smiley
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Which of these seems more spiritually moving to you?
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January 12, 2016, 08:35:21 PM

There is plenty of information that shows that atheism is a religion. The funny thing about it is, when you come to information that describes how atheism is NOT a religion, it says it in such a way that essentially proves atheism to be a religion.

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Interestingly, the only information that describes atheism as a religion is published by religionists. Atheists, OTOH, don't:

From https://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

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WHAT IS ATHEISM?

No one asks this question enough.

The reason no one asks this question a lot is because most people have preconceived ideas and notions about what an Atheist is and is not. Where these preconceived ideas come from varies, but they tend to evolve from theistic influences or other sources.

Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism. The fact that dictionaries define Atheism as "there is no God" betrays the (mono)theistic influence. Without the (mono)theistic influence, the definition would at least read "there are no gods."

Why should atheists allow theists to define who atheists are? Do other minorities allow the majority to define their character, views, and opinions? No, they do not. So why does everyone expect atheists to lie down and accept the definition placed upon them by the world’s theists? Atheists will define themselves.

Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion. Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings. Some of the best debates we have ever had have been with fellow atheists. This is because atheists do not have a common belief system, sacred scripture or atheist Pope. This means atheists often disagree on many issues and ideas. Atheists come in a variety of shapes, colors, beliefs, convictions, and backgrounds. We are as unique as our fingerprints.
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January 12, 2016, 08:32:29 PM
Hate? You are the one cuts our throat?

Most atheists don't hate religion. Actually, they don't care.

Of course most atheists don't care. They are happy with their not caring about religion.   Smiley

FTFY

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January 12, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
Atheists don't see themselfs as gods. 100% nonsense.

and atheists don' hate religion they just don't see the point of it.

Because religion is a form of control. To control people. To keep them in line.
Also to fear people. "don't do this or you will burn in hell".

It funny because god loves us all but he will let you burn in hell if you don't believe..
And altho god is allknowing he created us all so how come he created rapers and murderers??

god is a weirdo...
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January 12, 2016, 05:54:41 PM
Hate? You are the one cuts our throat?

Most atheists don't hate religion. Actually, they don't care.

Of course most atheists don't care. They are happy with their religion.   Smiley
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January 12, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
Hate? You are the one cuts our throat?

Most atheists don't hate religion. Actually, they don't care.
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January 12, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




atheists dont hate any religion in this earth.. however all the religions hate atheists... this is paradoxial..
thats only partially true, there are undoubtedly fedora - tipping atheists (the stereotypical reddit kind) that are against all forms of religion and constantly try to dissuade the religious from their faith, ie antireligious. then we have the atheists that really dont give a fuck and are irreligious. however, the religious hate not just the atheists, but anyone and everyone whose ideas conflict or do not align with their own. that means atheists and others that do not follow their particular faith, and it may even include those that do not have the same interpretation of their faith or its teachings. the religious can be a hateful bunch. also, im fairly sure you dont know the meaning of the word 'paradoxical.' that's just how things are, its not a contradiction in any way.

There is plenty of information that shows that atheism is a religion. The funny thing about it is, when you come to information that describes how atheism is NOT a religion, it says it in such a way that essentially proves atheism to be a religion.

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January 12, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




atheists dont hate any religion in this earth.. however all the religions hate atheists... this is paradoxial..
thats only partially true, there are undoubtedly fedora - tipping atheists (the stereotypical reddit kind) that are against all forms of religion and constantly try to dissuade the religious from their faith, ie antireligious. then we have the atheists that really dont give a fuck and are irreligious. however, the religious hate not just the atheists, but anyone and everyone whose ideas conflict or do not align with their own. that means atheists and others that do not follow their particular faith, and it may even include those that do not have the same interpretation of their faith or its teachings. the religious can be a hateful bunch. also, im fairly sure you dont know the meaning of the word 'paradoxical.' that's just how things are, its not a contradiction in any way.
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January 12, 2016, 12:35:40 PM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




atheists dont hate any religion in this earth.. however all the religions hate atheists... this is paradoxial..
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January 12, 2016, 12:31:16 PM
+++ for using Tesla as an example that man was a true Genius and cared more about Science than money. Thomas Edison robbed him of his wealth and used other scientists as well. Tesla had thought of the death ray back on those days the guy was  awesome. ohh yeah topic at hand Atheists like Bill Mahr need to stop being condescending towards people of faith. I respect Bill on some of his political views but sometimes he is harsh on world religions.
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January 12, 2016, 08:25:25 AM
I already told you that there is BIG difference between God and Supreme. God, Alien or ET is the same thing and Supreme is a title...
Lot's of people tell lots of other people stuff.

If you can't understand that God means the Supreme Being according to dictionary definitions, nobody is going to be able to help you.


Tesla was the only scientist who understand then meaning of the Special Theory of Relativity! You can check this in his quotes about Einstein...
Okay, great! I don't care if Tesla was the only one who understood the Special Theory of Relativity, or if all the people of India understood it. Thanks for the info.


Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

I think it's time to read the interview of Nicola Tesla from 1899...

I think it is time you understood that God deals with truth. Science theory that is not fact is not truth. It is falsehood. God and good spirits do not express falsehood. However, at some times the evil spirits do express falsehood. If you don't compare what the spirits say with the things that the Word of God (the Bible) says, how are you ever going to know if you are listening to truth or falsehood from the spirits? Is it the truth simply because you feel like it is? Is it the truth simply because you want it to be?

Wake up.

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January 12, 2016, 07:19:40 AM

That is the main problem dude!

Just because everyone in this world do what they want, we will always live in chaos. The same story was even in the distant past. At the beginning, people were living just like it was written in the Law, and the Law was teaching the people how to live in peace and harmony. What happen next? People start to divide in groups (rich and poor) and that's how all the wars begins. If I have control above you, will that makes me a special person? - NO!

No about the atheist... Do you really think that the atheist use their own brain about what is good and what is bad? What is real or what is unreal? What is truth or what is lie?.. Are you sure about this? When you talk about the atheist it is the same as when you talk about the religious people. Atheist think that science has the proves about everything and religious people think that science is bullshit. So tell me, are these 2 groups of people are normal according to you?

I personally believe (and I am working on that) that throughout the science we can decode what is written in the ancient sacred text. The Supreme Deity who create the world and the civilization left so many books where we can teach about our self, but the problem is the Ego. My ego is telling me that I no need to read anything and that I can live by my own standards. Is that right?

Religious people do NOT think that science is bullshit. Such a statement is partially false and partially correct. It is a lie, and deceives people, because it is partially false. It is the worst kind of lie.

There are two parts to science the way it is expressed among scientists. These are:
1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.

Science fact is real. Religious people use it and believe it. Why? Because God set science fact in place.

Science theory is unknown to be fact. It is man made. Until it is shown to be fact, it is fiction. Religious people don't hate it except if they know it is false because their religion tells them it is false. Mostly, they just ignore it, because religious people are practical, and don't want to follow something that is not a sure thing.

Many religious people are scientists. Many scientists are religious people. Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?

On top of that, since atheism is a religion, scientists who are atheists are religious people who follow science.

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1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
Please, we already determined this thing, so instead of God you should tell The Supreme.
Generally, when people say "God" or "G-d" or some other form that is capitalized, they mean "The Supreme Being," or "The Great First Cause", or "The Almighty" or some other way of saying any of these. They understand the term "God." If you want to say "The Supreme," there is nothing wrong with that, except that it may puzzle English speaking people a little, because generally they are not used to that term.

When people say "god" - all lower case - they generally mean an idol, a false god, or they are using it as a derogatory way of saying "God," because they are trying to not believe in Him.

Perhaps in your country and your language, the term "The Supreme" is the way you folks say it. But in most of the English speaking countries, "God" explains Who we are talking about.


2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.
I am sure that all those science theories who were established by Einstein and Tesla, will soon be proved as a facts...
Many of the theories of Einstein opposed the theories of Tesla. You can prove them all with Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Math. But how can you prove opposing theories in real life? And, how are you so sure that both Einstein and Tesla were not wrong?


Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?
I don't want to give a bad name to anyone, all I want is to unify the Science and the Spiritual world and I think you know what I mean... Smiley

Science fact is already unified with the Spirit world.

Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

Until we start to get a real understanding of the dimensions, mathematically, it is better for us that we follow the Bible. Why? Because we have no clue if we are contacting a good spirit or a bad spirit, except that they always act and speak according to the Bible, or act differently than the Bible.

Smiley

I already told you that there is BIG difference between God and Supreme. God, Alien or ET is the same thing and Supreme is a title...

Tesla was the only scientist who understand then meaning of the Special Theory of Relativity! You can check this in his quotes about Einstein...

Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

I think it's time to read the interview of Nicola Tesla from 1899...
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January 11, 2016, 01:07:43 PM

Science fact is already unified with the Spirit world.

Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

Until we start to get a real understanding of the dimensions, mathematically, it is better for us that we follow the Bible. Why? Because we have no clue if we are contacting a good spirit or a bad spirit, except that they always act and speak according to the Bible, or act differently than the Bible.

Smiley

Also in the Bible there is no word "Universe", so opposing the word Big Bang to Creation is as stupid as the people talking.

The Bible should be seen as a HowTo guide to live on planet Earth: I'm sure more news will come as soon as our Technological level will improve.

Just my 2 cents.


Best regards.
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January 11, 2016, 12:43:53 PM

That is the main problem dude!

Just because everyone in this world do what they want, we will always live in chaos. The same story was even in the distant past. At the beginning, people were living just like it was written in the Law, and the Law was teaching the people how to live in peace and harmony. What happen next? People start to divide in groups (rich and poor) and that's how all the wars begins. If I have control above you, will that makes me a special person? - NO!

No about the atheist... Do you really think that the atheist use their own brain about what is good and what is bad? What is real or what is unreal? What is truth or what is lie?.. Are you sure about this? When you talk about the atheist it is the same as when you talk about the religious people. Atheist think that science has the proves about everything and religious people think that science is bullshit. So tell me, are these 2 groups of people are normal according to you?

I personally believe (and I am working on that) that throughout the science we can decode what is written in the ancient sacred text. The Supreme Deity who create the world and the civilization left so many books where we can teach about our self, but the problem is the Ego. My ego is telling me that I no need to read anything and that I can live by my own standards. Is that right?

Religious people do NOT think that science is bullshit. Such a statement is partially false and partially correct. It is a lie, and deceives people, because it is partially false. It is the worst kind of lie.

There are two parts to science the way it is expressed among scientists. These are:
1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.

Science fact is real. Religious people use it and believe it. Why? Because God set science fact in place.

Science theory is unknown to be fact. It is man made. Until it is shown to be fact, it is fiction. Religious people don't hate it except if they know it is false because their religion tells them it is false. Mostly, they just ignore it, because religious people are practical, and don't want to follow something that is not a sure thing.

Many religious people are scientists. Many scientists are religious people. Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?

On top of that, since atheism is a religion, scientists who are atheists are religious people who follow science.

Smiley

1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
Please, we already determined this thing, so instead of God you should tell The Supreme.
Generally, when people say "God" or "G-d" or some other form that is capitalized, they mean "The Supreme Being," or "The Great First Cause", or "The Almighty" or some other way of saying any of these. They understand the term "God." If you want to say "The Supreme," there is nothing wrong with that, except that it may puzzle English speaking people a little, because generally they are not used to that term.

When people say "god" - all lower case - they generally mean an idol, a false god, or they are using it as a derogatory way of saying "God," because they are trying to not believe in Him.

Perhaps in your country and your language, the term "The Supreme" is the way you folks say it. But in most of the English speaking countries, "God" explains Who we are talking about.


2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.
I am sure that all those science theories who were established by Einstein and Tesla, will soon be proved as a facts...
Many of the theories of Einstein opposed the theories of Tesla. You can prove them all with Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Math. But how can you prove opposing theories in real life? And, how are you so sure that both Einstein and Tesla were not wrong?


Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?
I don't want to give a bad name to anyone, all I want is to unify the Science and the Spiritual world and I think you know what I mean... Smiley

Science fact is already unified with the Spirit world.

Science theory that is NOT fact is unified only with the evil spirits of the Spirit world.

Until we start to get a real understanding of the dimensions, mathematically, it is better for us that we follow the Bible. Why? Because we have no clue if we are contacting a good spirit or a bad spirit, except that they always act and speak according to the Bible, or act differently than the Bible.

Smiley
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January 11, 2016, 09:20:02 AM
I'm not sure you know what 'scientifically' means, perhaps look in that dictionary of yours..

Well, that's an improvement. Admitting that you are not sure, is a sure sign that you are interested in finding out at least a little of the truth.

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I quote that.

BADecker one of us!


Best regards.
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January 11, 2016, 08:17:34 AM

That is the main problem dude!

Just because everyone in this world do what they want, we will always live in chaos. The same story was even in the distant past. At the beginning, people were living just like it was written in the Law, and the Law was teaching the people how to live in peace and harmony. What happen next? People start to divide in groups (rich and poor) and that's how all the wars begins. If I have control above you, will that makes me a special person? - NO!

No about the atheist... Do you really think that the atheist use their own brain about what is good and what is bad? What is real or what is unreal? What is truth or what is lie?.. Are you sure about this? When you talk about the atheist it is the same as when you talk about the religious people. Atheist think that science has the proves about everything and religious people think that science is bullshit. So tell me, are these 2 groups of people are normal according to you?

I personally believe (and I am working on that) that throughout the science we can decode what is written in the ancient sacred text. The Supreme Deity who create the world and the civilization left so many books where we can teach about our self, but the problem is the Ego. My ego is telling me that I no need to read anything and that I can live by my own standards. Is that right?

Religious people do NOT think that science is bullshit. Such a statement is partially false and partially correct. It is a lie, and deceives people, because it is partially false. It is the worst kind of lie.

There are two parts to science the way it is expressed among scientists. These are:
1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.

Science fact is real. Religious people use it and believe it. Why? Because God set science fact in place.

Science theory is unknown to be fact. It is man made. Until it is shown to be fact, it is fiction. Religious people don't hate it except if they know it is false because their religion tells them it is false. Mostly, they just ignore it, because religious people are practical, and don't want to follow something that is not a sure thing.

Many religious people are scientists. Many scientists are religious people. Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?

On top of that, since atheism is a religion, scientists who are atheists are religious people who follow science.

Smiley

1. Science fact that matches the laws of nature and the universe, and even what God says;
Please, we already determined this thing, so instead of God you should tell The Supreme.

2. Science theory, which is a tool that scientists use to attempt to figure out what the details of science fact are.
I am sure that all those science theories who were established by Einstein and Tesla, will soon be proved as a facts...

Who are you trying to give a bad name to, scientists or religious people?
I don't want to give a bad name to anyone, all I want is to unify the Science and the Spiritual world and I think you know what I mean... Smiley
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January 11, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
I'm not sure you know what 'scientifically' means, perhaps look in that dictionary of yours..

Well, that's an improvement. Admitting that you are not sure, is a sure sign that you are interested in finding out at least a little of the truth.

Smiley

No one is sure what you mean when you write things, BADecker. You use words in ways that are quite different to the ways other people use words.


Anyway, I'm ok with you being religious. It's just a weakness, like alcoholism or homosexuality are from your point of view.

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January 11, 2016, 06:45:41 AM
I'm not sure you know what 'scientifically' means, perhaps look in that dictionary of yours..

Well, that's an improvement. Admitting that you are not sure, is a sure sign that you are interested in finding out at least a little of the truth.

Smiley
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January 11, 2016, 06:04:33 AM
I'm not sure you know what 'scientifically' means, perhaps look in that dictionary of yours..

You have Science because you have Fear of the Lord.
"Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord,
and humility comes before honor.
"
- Pro 15:33

Wisdom leads to Science.

There is no Science in atheism.


Best regards.
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