Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 258.

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Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

ALL atheists have faith, even those that are complete vegetables for medical or disease reasons. Why? Simply because nobody knows anything about the future. We all have faith in our experiences that suggest that things are going to work out well today, just like they did yesterday.

If we knew anything about our future, there wouldn't be any car accidents, people would take precautions so that they wouldn't get sick or get broken bones, people would be a whole lot better at predicting the stock market, etc., and etc., and etc.

Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of those people were walking, with a foot in the air as they took their next step. They knew exactly where their foot was going to land. Then, mid stride, all that was left of them was a shadow on the pavement.

You don't know. You live by faith.

BD, I enjoyed that.

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed.

Some of the things that I post are quite radical. Some of them are probably incorrect. But I post them to get people to think. It would be a lot easier for me to do something else.

We are all born helpless and ignorant and will never know everything, if we stop learning we stop growing, anything that is not growing is dying.

YOU DUMB SHIT

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Quote from: jethrorn99 on December 31, 2015, 05:58:38 AM

Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 06:42:19 PM

Quote from: Tusk on January 02, 2016, 06:33:44 PM

Quote from: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 06:19:51 PM

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Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

ALL atheists have faith, even those that are complete vegetables for medical or disease reasons. Why? Simply because nobody knows anything about the future. We all have faith in our experiences that suggest that things are going to work out well today, just like they did yesterday.

If we knew anything about our future, there wouldn't be any car accidents, people would take precautions so that they wouldn't get sick or get broken bones, people would be a whole lot better at predicting the stock market, etc., and etc., and etc.

Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of those people were walking, with a foot in the air as they took their next step. They knew exactly where their foot was going to land. Then, mid stride, all that was left of them was a shadow on the pavement.

You don't know. You live by faith.

BD, I enjoyed that.

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed.

Some of the things that I post are quite radical. Some of them are probably incorrect. But I post them to get people to think. It would be a lot easier for me to do something else.

We are all born helpless and ignorant and will never know everything, if we stop learning we stop growing, anything that is not growing is dying.

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Quote from: Tusk on January 02, 2016, 06:33:44 PM

Quote from: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 06:19:51 PM

Quote from: Gronthaing on January 02, 2016, 04:54:45 PM

Quote from: Aggressor66 on January 02, 2016, 08:56:59 AM

Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

ALL atheists have faith, even those that are complete vegetables for medical or disease reasons. Why? Simply because nobody knows anything about the future. We all have faith in our experiences that suggest that things are going to work out well today, just like they did yesterday.

If we knew anything about our future, there wouldn't be any car accidents, people would take precautions so that they wouldn't get sick or get broken bones, people would be a whole lot better at predicting the stock market, etc., and etc., and etc.

Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of those people were walking, with a foot in the air as they took their next step. They knew exactly where their foot was going to land. Then, mid stride, all that was left of them was a shadow on the pavement.

You don't know. You live by faith.

BD, I enjoyed that.

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed.

Some of the things that I post are quite radical. Some of them are probably incorrect. But I post them to get people to think. It would be a lot easier for me to do something else.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 06:19:51 PM

Quote from: Gronthaing on January 02, 2016, 04:54:45 PM

Quote from: Aggressor66 on January 02, 2016, 08:56:59 AM

Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

ALL atheists have faith, even those that are complete vegetables for medical or disease reasons. Why? Simply because nobody knows anything about the future. We all have faith in our experiences that suggest that things are going to work out well today, just like they did yesterday.

If we knew anything about our future, there wouldn't be any car accidents, people would take precautions so that they wouldn't get sick or get broken bones, people would be a whole lot better at predicting the stock market, etc., and etc., and etc.

Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of those people were walking, with a foot in the air as they took their next step. They knew exactly where their foot was going to land. Then, mid stride, all that was left of them was a shadow on the pavement.

You don't know. You live by faith.

BD, I enjoyed that.

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Quote from: Gronthaing on January 02, 2016, 04:54:45 PM

Quote from: Aggressor66 on January 02, 2016, 08:56:59 AM

Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

ALL atheists have faith, even those that are complete vegetables for medical or disease reasons. Why? Simply because nobody knows anything about the future. We all have faith in our experiences that suggest that things are going to work out well today, just like they did yesterday.

If we knew anything about our future, there wouldn't be any car accidents, people would take precautions so that they wouldn't get sick or get broken bones, people would be a whole lot better at predicting the stock market, etc., and etc., and etc.

Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many of those people were walking, with a foot in the air as they took their next step. They knew exactly where their foot was going to land. Then, mid stride, all that was left of them was a shadow on the pavement.

You don't know. You live by faith.

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Quote from: Aggressor66 on January 02, 2016, 08:56:59 AM

Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

I agree with you, the thread title is an oxymoron, "Why do Atheists hate Religion ?" Any form of theism is a religion. There is no proof that the universe is not alive or infinite. Our brains are finite and interested in beginnings and ends while our minds are not. The metaphysical principles of our universe that are interoperable; like the Universal Principles of; the conservation of energy; synergy; procession; entropy; syntropy are all metaphysical and infinite.

Quote from: Gronthaing on January 02, 2016, 04:54:45 PM

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

For the reasons posted above I prefer the position of Agnostic

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Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, "Try all things, hold fast by that which is good" it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him; it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him. - Thomas Huxley, who coined the term Agnosticism

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Quote from: jethrorn99 on December 31, 2015, 05:58:38 AM

Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

There is no Science in atheism.
Science comes from Wisdom, and Wisdom come form the Fear of the Lord.

"Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord,
and humility comes before honor."
- Pro 15:33

Atheists are "just men".

Best regards.

True that atheists don't have to be for science. They can be but don't have to. Atheism just means that a person doesn't believe in gods. The reason why they don't believe can be rational. Or not. But science or wisdom don't come from religion like your quote says. And if it does, only as a way to leave the irrational behind. People don't need to fear a god to use their knowledge and understanding.

Quote from: Aggressor66 on January 02, 2016, 08:56:59 AM

Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

If atheism is only not believing in gods yes they can have faith. But do all atheists have faith? That is believe in things there is no proof for? No. There are all types of atheists.

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Remember that atheists are like us, they are not people without faith. Every human being on earth has faith; they just have faith in different beliefs. An atheist may argue that they have no faith in matters like the existence of God or heaven and hell because nobody can prove it to them. But they deny the reality that this is their faith. They, too, cannot prove that God does not exist, nor can they prove that heaven and hell do not exist and that there is no afterlife. After beginning with logic, they then have to go on faith. This is how humans are built reason and logic can get us to a point and then the rest is put on faith. As Christian author and debater, Dinesh D’Souza, argued, the atheist who says there is no life after death and the believer who says there is are both making a leap of faith
because neither can be proven. “Faith” he argues,“is not a substitute for reason. Faith only kicks in when reason comes to an end”, when
explanations eventually stop.

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Rick Warren is arguably one of the most prominent and influential religious leaders, and here is what he said about the belief of no God and, thus, no life after death “If your time on earth were all there is to your life, I would suggest you start living it up
immediately. You could forget about being good and ethical, and you wouldn't have to worry about any consequences of your actions. You could indulge yourself in total self-centeredness because your actions would have no long-term repercussions ”.
He alleges that a nonreligious person has no reason to be a decent human being. This is the most common clichéd view of atheists–as being selfish, self-absorbed people who indulge in vanity and unethical behavior. But this is an intellectually weak view of atheists, as it seeks to demonize those who lost faith in God or religion. Instead of understanding the reason for their diminished faith, people push them further away by painting them to be rather evil individuals.

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Do atheists have faith?
For example, sometimes people suggest that faith is believing in spite of proof, or at least the stronger balance of evidence, to the contrary.

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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on January 01, 2016, 08:47:32 AM

Dude, if we want science to grow faster then now we should start to researching those evidences and facts who were written in the ancient sacred texts. Do you remember the quotes from the all three geniuses who lived in the new era?

“I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have.”

Leonardo da Vinci

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein

''The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.''

Nikola Tesla

As you can see, all the science is set on these tree master minds, and if we continue with their tempo I am sure that in future we will be far beyond the Galaxies!

Leonardo da Vinci was fighting continuously with religious people although in those years if you were opposed to religion you will have probably been dead.

Albert Einstein was jew.

Nikola Tesla had great respect for all Religion (Christianity and Buddism at first).

What is your point?

Best regards.

Leonardo da Vinci was fighting with the church and the preachers because he discover something that the church doesn't want to tell to the humanity. That's why his art become so mystique and popular at the same time because he try to tell what he is really thinking about the christianity through out his decoded paintings!

Albert Einstein was the first scientist who start to research the speed and the power of the light! The fact that he was jew it doesn't tell anything about his fate!

Nikola Tesla was the first scientist who start to research the Bible. He doesn't have respect to other religions, he just speaking about those people like Zarathustra and Buddha who were one of the rarest persons in the distant past who actually do miracles.

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on January 01, 2016, 08:47:32 AM

Dude, if we want science to grow faster then now we should start to researching those evidences and facts who were written in the ancient sacred texts. Do you remember the quotes from the all three geniuses who lived in the new era?

“I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have.”

Leonardo da Vinci

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein

''The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.''

Nikola Tesla

As you can see, all the science is set on these tree master minds, and if we continue with their tempo I am sure that in future we will be far beyond the Galaxies!

Leonardo da Vinci was fighting continuously with religious people although in those years if you were opposed to religion you will have probably been dead.

Albert Einstein was jew.

Nikola Tesla had great respect for all Religion (Christianity and Buddism at first).

What is your point?

Best regards.

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Quote from: BitNow on December 31, 2015, 06:19:07 AM

Quote from: jethrorn99 on December 31, 2015, 05:58:38 AM

Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

There is no Science in atheism.
Science comes from Wisdom, and Wisdom come form the Fear of the Lord.

"Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord,
and humility comes before honor."
- Pro 15:33

Atheists are "just men".

Best regards.

Dude, if we want science to grow faster then now we should start to researching those evidences and facts who were written in the ancient sacred texts. Do you remember the quotes from the all three geniuses who lived in the new era?

“I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have.”

Leonardo da Vinci

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein

''The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible; therefore I devoted the next few months to the study of this work.''

Nikola Tesla

As you can see, all the science is set on these tree master minds, and if we continue with their tempo I am sure that in future we will be far beyond the Galaxies!

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Quote from: GamingBro on December 30, 2015, 04:32:27 PM

Churches and all religions of the old world (except Buddhism, yet this one can only be partially called a religion) have nothing to offer people as institutions. They have nothing to prove their righteousness, their methods and aims got too old and obvious. They are only good as political instruments, and even though their influence is getting weaker and weaker.

Except Buddhism?

Dude, the meaning of the word Buddha is the Awaken and the real name of the person was Gautama. He was a guy who start to follow the path of the Lord and when he reach to that level he become the Awaken or Saint. He was able to see the things from the past lives and also help people by doing miracles. The people are those who are changing the things in the wrong direction. The same example is when Christ enter in the church and scattered the tables.

Be sure that the wisdom who is the ancient sacred texts can bring you peace or madness if you don't know how to manage that!

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Quote from: jethrorn99 on December 31, 2015, 05:58:38 AM

Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

There is no Science in atheism.
Science comes from Wisdom, and Wisdom come form the Fear of the Lord.

"Wisdom’s instruction is to fear the Lord,
and humility comes before honor."
- Pro 15:33

Atheists are "just men".

Best regards.

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Quote from: jethrorn99 on December 31, 2015, 05:58:38 AM

Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

However, atheists DON'T believe in fact. If they believe in the things of science, most of science is theory, which is fiction. It is only engineering that is near fact.

Religious writings of the Bible are eye witness accounts over the years. The nation of Israel is a strong nation, perhaps the longest lasting nation of all. The tradition of the people of Israel is that the eye witness accounts of the Bible are fact.

In addition, Science has proven that God exists. Of course, anyone can deny any proof. But consider this quote from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13397782:

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You have certainly heard of the Theory of Relativity and the Big Bang Theory. Theory might be something that is a necessary part of discovering scientific fact. But until the theory is proven true, it is fiction. In the case of science, it is science fiction. This brings us to Newton's 3rd Law.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is a law, not a theory. Call it cause and effect... perhaps not exactly the same, but similar.

Every electron in your brain moves because it was acted upon by other electrons, or chemicals, or something else that causes it to move. When this electron moves, it causes other electrons to move, or other chemical reactions that cause you to think the way you do.

The point? EVERYTHING IN NATURE AND THE WHOLE UNIVERSE acts because something acted on it. And the thing(s) that acted on it were acted upon by other things that caused it to act that way. In other words, something caused something to move, which caused something else to move, which caused something else to move, which caused something else to move, etc., etc., so that everything acts the way it does in the whole universe because something, or many somethings, caused them all to act that way. Nothing - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - in the whole universe ever has acted randomly. Not even your free will.

Newton's 3rd Law. That's it in detail. And the Thing that could cause such complex activities in the whole universe through cause and effect, action and reaction, must be very great. It must have the knowledge and ability to create the human brain and mind through thousands of years worth of cause and effect, right down to the present. Why? Because nothing acts any other way than it was caused to act the way it does... even the typing of this post.

Especially the bolded part, above.

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Because Atheists believes in fact, and religion have a lot of weird things that cant be scientificaly proved.
Im religious and i personally think that religion is illogical to me, but i still believes in it because there is still no prove that god exists or not, and most of religion ways is really about good things to do.

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Quote from: BitNow on December 31, 2015, 03:05:27 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 30, 2015, 08:41:48 PM

Quote from: GamingBro on December 30, 2015, 04:32:27 PM

Churches and all religions of the old world (except Buddhism, yet this one can only be partially called a religion) have nothing to offer people as institutions. They have nothing to prove their righteousness, their methods and aims got too old and obvious. They are only good as political instruments, and even though their influence is getting weaker and weaker.

Now you're talking. Since people have changed even less than religions, we should do away with people as well, right?

Grin

The method is called faith.

Best regards.

What? We use faith to do away with religion and people? Are you nuts?

Huh

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Quote from: BADecker on December 30, 2015, 08:41:48 PM

Quote from: GamingBro on December 30, 2015, 04:32:27 PM

Churches and all religions of the old world (except Buddhism, yet this one can only be partially called a religion) have nothing to offer people as institutions. They have nothing to prove their righteousness, their methods and aims got too old and obvious. They are only good as political instruments, and even though their influence is getting weaker and weaker.

Now you're talking. Since people have changed even less than religions, we should do away with people as well, right?

Grin

The method is called faith.

Best regards.

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