Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 5. (Read 901291 times)

Have you found the answers of life though? How do you know you will if you haven't?

So you believe in the fantasy that you can find out the answers to the deep meanings of life without religion? That's a hard-to-believe religion you have there.

A man who is afraid of the imaginary hell.

"Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light?" - Maurice Freehill

Keep your scarecrow in your closet.

You would not expect to find God with any of that hi-tech equipment any more then you would expect to find William Shakespeare in one of his plays. That does not mean he is not there.

Finding God (Finding Shakespeare)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXlBCZ_5OYw

I agree that faith begins where reason ends. All reason can do is clear away the false objections to faith. It does not compel faith. Why do you want to be compelled? It is better to be free to choose what we are.

You are exercising that freedom to choose now whether you acknowledge it or not. You are living your life under the assumption that God does not exist because you have not been able to prove his existence as a discrete entity inside of creation. God is beyond creation. You are looking in the wrong place and with incorrect instruments. The proper direction of inquiry is not external at all but internal.  


Both situations are potentially problematic. It is best to be doing good deeds because you are in fact good.

One advantage of your first scenario is that it can over time and with increased wisdom gradually change people from worse to better.

One disadvantage of your second scenario is that without God it becomes difficult to even define good as anything other then hedonistic pleasure. Misdirected good will towards an end that is not in fact actually good can cause harm.

You are imagining things that are not there. Not just human senses but all other hi-tech equipment we have developed over the years has failed to detect any God(s).  Abstract truths are just abstract truths.

That is the point.  

It is not reasonable to have faith.  Where faith begins, reason ends.

To me it seems that if you are only doing good deeds because you are afraid of god or because you want to look good for god then you are not a good person. However if you are doing good things just because you want to or you like to make people happy, then yes, you should be considered a good person.

Should we say they hate. More like, they do not believe in it. But do americans like atheists more than they like members of most religious groups? Should we pick one for a president? The topic is just too complicated.. Having to do with faith and believes is always a thrilling topic to discuss about 😅

Perhaps that is because you are looking in the wrong way. It is very difficult to touch a cloud or hear the light from the stars. Abstract truths are likewise challenging to perceive when the mind is focused on the senses.

The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A&

I don’t see evil in all thought labeled today as progressive I simply challenge the claim that most of the ideas so labeled are what they claim to be. I think many of them are regressive.

I also do not view Atheists as the “evilest of all people”. Religions do not suddenly make people evil or good. They provide a forward looking framework for thought and action. They are like blueprints. Starting with an empty field not much has immediately changed if you grab the blueprint for a prison or a cathedral.

With time effort and will, however, that blueprint will eventually manifest itself into reality.  Sooner or later the empty field will be gone transformed into the prison or the cathedral.

The good or evil of humans today are like variations in the quality of the field. Some fields are solid and reliable foundations others are swamps that make construction very difficult.

It is the blueprints, however, that define what will be. I do not think you are evil. I do, however, think your blueprints will create evil. Most bad ideas do.

Quran was written in the 7th century by people who did not know what planet they were on or what a bacteria or a virus was.

The wisdom in the Quran reflects that.

Debunking The Embryo Miracle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQXjyuxpNdE

Facts you don't know about the Quran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvqgVS8KVJA

No wonder you believe in the Islamic horseshit.  You make no sense, other than the part where you want me dead.

Let me guess, you are against modern technology and any social progress but don't mind using an app to see which way is Mecca when you pray, LOL.  Do you also keep the Quran on your latest, greatest iPhone?

You must be hit with cognitive dissonance every fucking day.  

You present no arguments to support your position because you have none.

PS. It is as if in the 1950s some guy had a dream that he talked to an angel and told his friend, who told his friends.  Then in the year 2005, some other guy (working in the nursing home talked to some residents who told him about the guy from the 1950s and his dream about the angel) wrote a manifesto based on it and called it the Quran.  Makes perfect sense.

Yes, I fail to perceive your delusional 'reality'.

My senses are failing me in detecting your "unknown and undefined agent who is outside of this universe and influences everything in this universe, an agent who decided to inspire people to write some books but not others, etc."  I am paraphrasing as I don't remember all the details of your delusion.

I suspect you are not only delusional but also paranoid.  You see evil in any progressive thought, people who criticize the Bible, or people who believe in some other religions.  I suspect you view Atheists are the evilest of all people.  I think you have more in common with Islamists than you are willing to admit.

Yet, you admit that you are against slavery.  At least you are better than your God on that point, LOL.

You are an enigma, but I am not an expert in Psychiatry so I cannot help you further.

I suspect your delusion is not as severe as BADecker's or notbatman's, but I cannot be sure.  You could be masking it well because you are brighter than most people who suffer from these religious delusions.

You literally said god answers Satan's requests which is simply stupid. Why would god answer Satan's requests? Were you drunk when you typed that?

You should be aware you have diagnosed yourself here af_newbie. If you truly cannot see the glaring logical contradictions in your thoughts highlighted immediately above it can only be described as willful blindness.

You seem to care deeply about stopping evil and the advancement of society. You fail to understand that your incorrect perception of reality prevents the achievement of those ends. You are actively working at cross purposes to your stated goal and cannot see it.

The Three Parts of Morality by C.S. Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeCyrgjIQ

So, now that evolution has been shown to be a hoax, you are turning it into a religion for yourself.

Are you going to the movies to watch "Alita: Battle Angel?"

Did you get over to the psychiatric ward yet, to see what the shrinks think about you?

^^^ I'm kinda sad for you that you can't seem to absorb but one idea at a time, and even then not the whole thing. There's gotta be classes out there that you could attend so that your IQ could go up just a little.

Most people who ask things of God are asking many things at the same time. Some of them are contradictory. The way God answers is a perfect way.

As I said in another post, if you asked for death, you know full well that you probably wouldn't really be asking for death. What you would really be asking for is the solution to some problem that you are dumb enough that you can't see any other answer than death. But you don't really want to die. If you did, you wouldn't formulate the question. You'd simply go out and suicide yourself.

Same with Eve in the Garden. She didn't want the death that God promised her for eating the fruit. Rather, she wanted wisdom in such a way that she would be like God. But by listening to the serpent, she was really asking for death at the same time she was asking for better life. God gave her both. We don't know how long she lived, but it was probably in the order of 800 or 900 years. And then she died. Odds are very great that she is with God, right now, alive, in Paradise.

So, you see? You need to realize that your simplistic questions are not as simple as you think. Go to IQ school so that you can figure out how to formulate slightly more complex questions.

''Why does God answer requests to do bad things? Because when He set up this universe, He set it up on a request basis, that He would answer requests.'' Damn you are falling in a deeper hole every time you type anything, so god answers requests even if those requests are about killing other people which essentially gets rid of their free will which you always defend, at this point my brain is exploding of how ILLOGICAL what you said is, it's quite remarkable.

^^^ God makes people alive. God lets people die. God does everything. When people come to life or die, God does it, just like He rolls the stars around, runs the electric-plasma engines that make the stars shine, makes the earthquakes and the peace that follows. The whole thing is His, He makes it all happen in every way, and understanding how and why He does things is what counts.

Satan can't do anything. Rather, (in this universe, at least) Satan requests from God, and God is the Mover Who does it. Why? Because nothing in this universe happens without God doing it.

Why does God answer requests to do bad things? Because when He set up this universe, He set it up on a request basis, that He would answer requests. There wasn't any idea of death or evil with God. But even though Satan - and to a lesser extent, people - brought evil into being, God doesn't change His answering of requests.

The interesting part about this is, God has His own plan that will get rid of all the evil. He will do it by creating the Lake of Fire, and dissolving the whole universe in it... including Satan, his angel followers, and all his human followers, as well. Why will He do this to those people and fallen angels? Because they are asking for God to not be in their presence. The LoF crash will be the result of God leaving this universe at their request.

God owns it; He has the right and duty. He, also, offers everyone a way out... Jesus salvation. Even believers die in this life. And God does it for them, so that they can put off the evil, and take up their places in heavenly joy... with a new body that doesn't have any of the weakness of this one.

So sad that you are going to miss it by asking God not to be in your life. But, God does it for you, whatever it is that you ask. You just don't realize all the things that you are really asking when you ask something. For example. If you are like af_newbie, and ask God to write something in this forum, you are really saying down deep that you want God to NOT write anything in this forum, especially when you request Him to, because you don't want to be forced into accepting the reality of God. (Why do I waste my time on you?)


You are like the quadriplegic who feels so helpless that he wants to die. But he is so weak that he can't take his own life. So he says, "Let me die; I can't take any more of this," not knowing that it is God he is requesting his death from. For a long time God withholds death, trying to get the guy to ask to be saved. And it actually stresses God to stretch His "disobedience" of His own law of giving what was asked for (The stretching is what pained the soul of Jesus, to death, on the cross).

But finally God gives the quadriplegic joker what he asks for. Too bad the QJ didn't realize that there was a lot more to the rejection of God than the simple "blankness" he was asking for. God tried to warn him over and over... even prepared a way (Jesus salvation) to get him out of his illness and into a new body in joy and happiness, forever.

But even the blankness of complete reduction to nothingness will be accomplished in the QJ. It will all be done at the end of eternity.