Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 8. (Read 901520 times)

than what about Einstein and Thomas Edison what about many other scientists
You can not blame religions for every thing happening in this world. You think religion is impeding progress and I think it’s the inequality which is spreading hate.

than you should search for the origin of science where started from and scientists who were involved were not secular nor etheist.

Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master.

CS Lewis highlights this very well in his book the Abolition of Man.
This video on his work is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

The Abolition of Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxI

Restraining science in a structure of objective morality will indeed slow it down. Things like the selling of aborted fetuses for research, human genetic engineering, voluntary self mutilation and many other frontiers of experimentation and knowledge will either be banned outright or very heavily restricted. That delay is well worth the cost.

The pursuit at all costs of power in the form of knowledge is ultimately a Faustian bargain.

Also a twisted perspective it’s wrong but highlighting why it’s wrong is more complex then your earlier simpler errors. You have incorrectly assigned all historic progress to your preferred worldview.

As I said before you simply don’t understand the long term drivers of progress or the necessary conditions for science to develop and thrive over time. I touched on the necessity for morality and coordination in my earlier post: Religion and Progress.

However perhaps some other thinkers would help you understand this better.

Bruce Charlton is a scientist and academic professor. He discusses the ever growing corruption of the sciences and the fundamental reasons for it here:
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/09/my-experience-of-trying-to-reform.html?m=1

He also discusses how and why science succeeds and the difference between science and theology here:
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-difference-between-science-and.html?m=1

Finally John C. Wright an author and former atheist does an excellent job highlighting the relationship between Christianity and scientific progress over time here:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/04/science-romance-and-the-scientific-romance-of-christendom/

Ultimately it’s your choice incorporate the data available to you into a rational and coherent worldview or discard data that does not fit your preconceived construction of the world and live in error.

Good Luck

^^^ But you are too stupid to do this. How do we know? Because you don't even realize that atheism has all the points of any religion. So, atheism is a religion that believes in being religion-dumb. You can tell by the fact that they won't even capitalize the first letter of their religion.

ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen

The proper way to analyze this is to isolate the effect of religion independently of technological progress.

At each interval of history one should compare the life expectancy of Christians compared to non Christians.

If you do that you find that Christians live longer. This is true today.

Religious people live four YEARS longer than those who don’t believe in God, study reveals
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/science/religious-people-live-four-years-12704829.amp

It also appears to likely have been true as far back as early Roman times when Christian charity led to increased life expectancy social power and eventual cultural victory over the Pagans.

The Christian Conquest of Pagan Rome
https://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/michael-craven/the-christian-conquest-of-pagan-rome-11640691.html



Most if not all of current stem cell therapy is a scam. It’s an utterly unproven cash pay business that thrives on the vulnerable and desperate.

Much of what little research there is has been shown to be fraudulent a example of the corruption of science in our time.

Stem Cell Research—Shattered After Fabrication Scandal
https://www.tctmd.com/news/stem-cell-research-shattered-after-fabrication-scandal-needs-rebuild-says-ehj-editor

That said Christians are generally opposed to embryonic stem cell research as those lines were derived from aborted fetal tissue. Christians by and large don’t believe it is moral to experiment with the remains of killed human life.



You have this very very wrong. Every major study on the issue shows a health advantage for the observant religious. Here are a few I highlighted in the Health and Religion thread.

In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faiths
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspx

Married Couples Who Attend Church Services Together Are Less Likely to Divorce
http://www.christianpost.com/news/married-couples-who-attend-church-services-together-are-less-likely-to-divorce-study-171853/

Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287



Easy Christians do. Next question.



Global population growth rate is somewhere around 1%. It peaked long ago and is declining towards zero no outside intervention required.



The religious communities won’t grow at 4 to 5% forever. It’s just the process of the unhealthy segments of society being replaced by healthier variants. Overall the growth trajectory of the society at large is unlikely to change.


Atheists are for the moment more formally educated on average.

As for who would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, or better doctor. I would have go with the educated Christian or Jew. Best of both worlds.

I recommend putting some more work into understanding these issues af_newbie. I don’t have the time or inclination to continue tutoring like this. You need to rectify your own deficiencies.

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

More than 54 million abortions have been performed since U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade
https://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/

Doctors Induce Twenty-Five Percent of Dutch Deaths
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/doctors-induce-twenty-five-percent-of-dutch-deaths/

U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html

Prescription Drugs Outpace Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Death
https://www.crchealth.com/find-a-treatment-center/opiate-addiction-treatment-centers/additional-resources/prescription-drugs-outpace-car-accidents-leading-death/

U.S. Life Expectancy Drops for Third Year in a Row
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-life-expectancy-drops-third-year-row-reflecting-rising-drug-overdose-suicide-rates-180970942/

I am not sure I want to know what your definition of not doing well would be.

If it makes you feel better af_newbie I have gotten out of your secular education and classrooms. My children are all enrolled in a private Christian school. It's an increase in cost over the secular system but worth every penny.  I have opted out of your religion. There is a better alternative.

It is always best to opt out of failing systems. In the economic world that means getting out of debt based fiat and into Bitcoin. In the educational world it means getting out of the failing public school systems and into private or home school environments.

Definition of Religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion

Profession Stackhouse isolated the issue the best. Like it or not af_newbie your humanist moral relativism qualifies. You have laid out a metaphysical subjective moral vision for us. I think your ideals will take us back in barbarism and evil and I highlighted why. You think your worldview is the way forward into progress and prosperity.

Time will of course reveal which of us is correct. In the meantime you and I and anyone else who happens to read this exchange will need to exercise free will and decide for themselves.
 

Because they are to blind to see that creators only get more creators, open your eyes it is all around you, everything comes from something. Now whatever created the creations that became the creators of the first creator, probably of itself, probably whatever made duration(time), would be the creator, people call it "god" which is a deity not a characterization I call it Creator.

They also don`t want to take responsibly for their own actions it is easier to blame it on the devil or satan etc etc, religious people and ask for forgiveness rather than making things right themselves.

But yah you atheist have a creator it is your Mom and Dad, your Dads seed is a little more RNG than your Moms egg. you had to have awareness from somewhere to take that first breath. You yourself are your own maker.

Most Atheists don't hate religion, at least the people i know don't and can happily sit together with religious (christians and muslims) people and still have fun without trying to "fedora talk" them into giving up their believe in god. But in my opinion a small part of atheists do act like atheism is a religion in itself that they have to convince others to believe in which can be pretty cringy at times or interesting as well when there's a good discussion going on between a believer and an atheist(non fedora wearing ones).
I can however slightly understand the claim that religion can be a bad thing with terrorists attacks etc. done in the name of their god which is absolutely horrible and terrifying, and muslimic states like saudia arabia and iran with their stone age mentality regarding for example women's rights and homosexuality.

^^^ LOL! You have a point. The longer you live, the more time you have to figure out at what time, exactly, you are going to commit suicide.

''The trick is finding a religion that allows one to live forever.'' Why is that the trick? What does living forever offer you? It doesn't offer you a purpose, living forever and then what? You would still need to do things, life would lose a lot of interest, for instance there would be no more fear of death so things like climbing without a rope, rollercoasters, etc would be useless, no fun.

^^^ You are so good. After all, whatever religion a person has, he dies. So, if a person has a religion of selfishness, he still dies.

The trick is finding a religion that allows one to live forever. Obviously, such a religion isn't going to be in this life. Even scientifically, there is too much entropy involved in the universe, to keep the complexity of life from doing anything other than breaking down into death.

This is where God comes in to offer Jesus salvation. And that is what atheists hate. Why do they hate this? They want a religion where they are their own gods, to make their own salvation. Many atheists are dead from this already. Atheism is simply another false religion.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Because straight people dont spread diseases? You are the one arguing against vaccines because you think the government and big pharma (mostly straight white men) are spreading diseases using vaccines

Most of the worst religions declare any faith other then their own as the source of all evil.

Your religion is no exception.

I described immediately above the logical implications of your stated belief system as it is implemented in the world today and why I consider it a step backwards into barbarism.

In my opinion you lack a fundamental understanding of the primary drivers of progress.

Religion and Progress.

Regardless it is clear we fundamentally and wholeheartedly disagree. Ultimately we will have to let the readers decide for themselves which of our perspectives they agree with for we are clearly nowhere close to consensus nor do we appear to be trending in that direction.

Yes those laws were given to the ancient Israelites but the wisdom in them does apply to us. Sin is still sin. We have simply been instructed to use compassion with those struggling with sin and temper justice with mercy whenever possible. We are all sinners in need of mercy and grace.

You accuse me of doing an apologetic tap dance but the only one I see dancing around the real issues here is you. You seem unwilling or unable to face the horrible implications of your philosophy and religion.

You said you value your life tremendously but under your belief system the only thing that gives that life validity and value is the arbitrary and capricious will of the majority. That is why you are presumably ok with abortion as you believe it is the right of majority to decide if a human being is granted “human status” and the right to live.

Presumably you are fine with active euthanasia for the sick and disabled as well if the families agree to it. In some countries the mentality ill are now starting being euthanized for psychological pain. Aren’t we all better off if their just not around anymore? Great strides forward for the humanist.

https://www.lifenews.com/2015/06/22/doctor-will-kill-healthy-24-year-old-in-euthanasia-whos-thought-of-suicide-since-she-was-a-kid/

The leftist parts of the country in the USA are now allowing fully grown babies totally capable of independent survival independently of the mother be killed right up to the moment of birth. Those on the frontlines of “progress” also defend “peaceful” euthanasia of disabled young infants.  The world is crowded already and when push comes to shove what kind of life would a sick or disabled baby have anyways? It better for everyone to speed death along say the moral relativists.

https://www.lifenews.com/2015/01/02/doctors-euthanize-650-babies-under-assisted-suicide-law-in-the-netherlands/

Who are the real Barbarians here? Certainly it’s not the Christians. The real Barbarism is being perpetrated daily on the most vulnerable of society by your fellow moral relativists.

You’ve got the Bible wrong af_newbie. It was written for Bronze Age barbarians. It is the very thing that transformed them into something slightly better. By rejecting it you are not advancing moral progress as you believe but helping take society a great stride backwards in barbarism.

The evidence for this is all around you. Open your eyes set aside your preconceived notions for a moment and look.