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legendary
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May 19, 2019, 12:58:35 PM

Do we know anything or are we just supposed to trust the book?

Empiric knowledge can take us pretty far.

We can use such knowledge to strip away and examine the various layers of our beliefs like so many layers of an onion. Eventually, however, we reach a point were that type of reduction can go no further.

At that point we transition into a different and more fundamental frame of reference. This area has many names. It has been called metaphysics, a priori, faith, religion. The name is not particularly important. The consequences of the decisions made at this fundamental level, however, are profound for they ultimately define who and what we are.

Materialism is one such choice. It is a common metaphysical trap of our era and difficult to escape once embraced.

The "evidence" trap: Why so many modern people are 'stuck' in materialism
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-evidence-trap-why-so-many-modern.html?m=1

The Book is a blueprint. The choice we make as individuals is like visualizing a completed structure from a set of plans and then deciding if that is what we are going to be a part of. Its a decision made ultimately with the heart too not just the intellect. Most important choices are.

The process can be difficult due to our limited perspectives and the signal loss that occurs due to the vast distance between us and the societies of the ancient past. Humanity is a terrible medium to transmit information through.

When deciding whether or not to trust it helps to focus first on the areas least susceptible to signal loss. The parables are nearly timeless and the closest part of the Bible to the source of Christianity. There are not very many of them and I recommend anyone seriously considering the topic to examine them all both with their heart and their reason.

The Parables
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/parables-of-jesus/

It has been a pleasure discussing these topics with you all. I have greatly enjoyed the back and forth. I am now called elsewhere and will disengage. I am starting a new business that will monopolize my time so this will be my last post for a while on Bitcoin Talk. I wish you all well on your individual journeys.

Goodluck and Godspeed.
legendary
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May 19, 2019, 08:26:54 AM
^^^ We talked about this in the God proof thread in the Off-Topic section. The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers. But if this weren't enough, there is more over in that thread.

Your desire to remain ignorant of machines and machine-makers is astounding. It doesn't do you any good. And it only serves to uphold what is written in the Bible about your kind. So, thanks for helping to prove God and the Bible.

It's easy for anyone to see why atheists hate religion. Right religion is organized looking for the truth. Atheism tends towards organized destruction... which actually makes it a wrong religion. Right religion will win, just as the appearance of the orderly universe is a fact. Such will be your ultimate destruction, rather than the destruction of the universe.

But, you have a chance to turn to right religion. Do it now, while you still have time.

Cool
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May 19, 2019, 04:52:16 AM
^^^ The term or idea of "the answers of life" is a very general thing. You have found some of them, haven't you? You do breathe, don't you? You drink water and eat food don't you?

Do you do these things habitually, or habitually un-habitually... where you change your routine of breathing and eating on a regular basis?

Since you are unwilling to even recognize the existence of God, how in the world can you begin to understand the fantastically wonderful Greatness He is? His moving of His people from this universe to Heaven, is removing them from the troubles and boredoms of this life, to a life of glory and joy. How does it work? Nobody knows, except that it is being done through the wonderful greatness that God is and does.

Have you so forgotten the feelings of getting things new and fresh - like a new car, or a wonderful birthday present, or winning the lottery, or making a fortune in Bitcoin, or whatever good things that have happened to you in life - that you can't imagine what it would be like to be getting new and greater things forever, without the boredom?

Worshiping God is what He made us for. And He is willing to reward us when we simply do what we were made for. GOD IS SO GREAT that worshiping Him advances us into the glory and greatness of what He is, even though it seems to take a long time for us to get there. But the advancement is in joy, so it is not only worth it, but it is desired.

Wake up! You are placing yourself into a position where you are going to entirely miss the greatness, and the joy of becoming great.

Cool

''Since you are unwilling to even recognize the existence of God, how in the world can you begin to understand the fantastically wonderful Greatness He is? His moving of His people from this universe to Heaven, is removing them from the troubles and boredoms of this life, to a life of glory and joy. How does it work? Nobody knows, except that it is being done through the wonderful greatness that God is and does.''

Seems to be a rhetoric that repeats many times in the bible, how did god do this, nobody knows, how did god create the universe? Nobody knows. How will god prevent evil from happening in heaven? Nobody knows. Why do some children die earlier than others? Nobody knows.

Do we know anything or are we just supposed to trust the book?
legendary
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May 18, 2019, 10:25:51 AM
^^^ The term or idea of "the answers of life" is a very general thing. You have found some of them, haven't you? You do breathe, don't you? You drink water and eat food don't you?

Do you do these things habitually, or habitually un-habitually... where you change your routine of breathing and eating on a regular basis?

Since you are unwilling to even recognize the existence of God, how in the world can you begin to understand the fantastically wonderful Greatness He is? His moving of His people from this universe to Heaven, is removing them from the troubles and boredoms of this life, to a life of glory and joy. How does it work? Nobody knows, except that it is being done through the wonderful greatness that God is and does.

Have you so forgotten the feelings of getting things new and fresh - like a new car, or a wonderful birthday present, or winning the lottery, or making a fortune in Bitcoin, or whatever good things that have happened to you in life - that you can't imagine what it would be like to be getting new and greater things forever, without the boredom?

Worshiping God is what He made us for. And He is willing to reward us when we simply do what we were made for. GOD IS SO GREAT that worshiping Him advances us into the glory and greatness of what He is, even though it seems to take a long time for us to get there. But the advancement is in joy, so it is not only worth it, but it is desired.

Wake up! You are placing yourself into a position where you are going to entirely miss the greatness, and the joy of becoming great.

Cool
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May 18, 2019, 07:37:07 AM
^^^ All you are saying is that you found some answers to life, but you don't like them, mostly because you are unwilling to understand them.

Cool

No all I said is this: ''Have you found the answers of life though? How do you know you will if you haven't?''


Which was a question since you claimed you can only find it through religion so I asked you if you did, clearly you didn't. Heaven is not a purpose or meaning, going to heaven to do what, what purpose, what meaning, doing the same shit that you do here but forever? Worshiping god forever? That's the purpose?
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
^^^ All you are saying is that you found some answers to life, but you don't like them, mostly because you are unwilling to understand them.

Cool
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May 16, 2019, 08:52:51 AM
Religious people prefer to believe in a miracle instead of finding a reasonable explanation for something thats why I'm personally hate religion

So you believe in the fantasy that you can find out the answers to the deep meanings of life without religion? That's a hard-to-believe religion you have there.

Cool

Have you found the answers of life though? How do you know you will if you haven't?
legendary
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May 16, 2019, 08:01:25 AM
Religious people prefer to believe in a miracle instead of finding a reasonable explanation for something thats why I'm personally hate religion

So you believe in the fantasy that you can find out the answers to the deep meanings of life without religion? That's a hard-to-believe religion you have there.

Cool
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 08:48:52 PM
Keep your scarecrow in your closet.

"Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light?" - Maurice Freehill
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 01:31:41 PM

You are imagining things that are not there. Not just human senses but all other hi-tech equipment we have developed over the years has failed to detect any God(s).  Abstract truths are just abstract truths.

That is the point.  

It is not reasonable to have faith.  Where faith begins, reason ends.


You would not expect to find God with any of that hi-tech equipment any more then you would expect to find William Shakespeare in one of his plays. That does not mean he is not there.

Finding God (Finding Shakespeare)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXlBCZ_5OYw

I agree that faith begins where reason ends. All reason can do is clear away the false objections to faith. It does not compel faith. Why do you want to be compelled? It is better to be free to choose what we are.

You are exercising that freedom to choose now whether you acknowledge it or not. You are living your life under the assumption that God does not exist because you have not been able to prove his existence as a discrete entity inside of creation. God is beyond creation. You are looking in the wrong place and with incorrect instruments. The proper direction of inquiry is not external at all but internal.  

To me it seems that if you are only doing good deeds because you are afraid of god or because you want to look good for god then you are not a good person. However if you are doing good things just because you want to or you like to make people happy, then yes, you should be considered a good person.

Both situations are potentially problematic. It is best to be doing good deeds because you are in fact good.

One advantage of your first scenario is that it can over time and with increased wisdom gradually change people from worse to better.

One disadvantage of your second scenario is that without God it becomes difficult to even define good as anything other then hedonistic pleasure. Misdirected good will towards an end that is not in fact actually good can cause harm.

Proverbs 9:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom"



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May 15, 2019, 11:11:32 AM

Yes, I fail to perceive your delusional reality.

My senses are failing me in detecting your "unknown and undefined agent who is outside of this universe and influences everything in this universe, an agent who decided to inspire people to write some books but not others, etc."  I am paraphrasing as I don't remember all the details of your delusion.

I suspect you are not only delusional but also paranoid.  You see evil in any progressive thought, people who criticize the Bible, or people who believe in some other religions.  I suspect you view Atheists are the evilest of all people.  I think you have more in common with Islamists than you are willing to admit.

Yet, you admit that you are against slavery.  At least you are better than your God on that point, LOL.

You are an enigma, but I am not an expert in Psychiatry so I cannot help you further.

I suspect your delusion is not as severe as BADecker's or notbatman's, but I cannot be sure.  You could be masking it well because you are brighter than most people who suffer from these religious delusions.


Perhaps that is because you are looking in the wrong way. It is very difficult to touch a cloud or hear the light from the stars. Abstract truths are likewise challenging to perceive when the mind is focused on the senses.

The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A&

I don’t see evil in all thought labeled today as progressive I simply challenge the claim that most of the ideas so labeled are what they claim to be. I think many of them are regressive.

I also do not view Atheists as the “evilest of all people”. Religions do not suddenly make people evil or good. They provide a forward looking framework for thought and action. They are like blueprints. Starting with an empty field not much has immediately changed if you grab the blueprint for a prison or a cathedral.

With time effort and will, however, that blueprint will eventually manifest itself into reality.  Sooner or later the empty field will be gone transformed into the prison or the cathedral.

The good or evil of humans today are like variations in the quality of the field. Some fields are solid and reliable foundations others are swamps that make construction very difficult.

It is the blueprints, however, that define what will be. I do not think you are evil. I do, however, think your blueprints will create evil. Most bad ideas do.


Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master.
...

The Abolition of Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxI


To me it seems that if you are only doing good deeds because you are afraid of god or because you want to look good for god then you are not a good person. However if you are doing good things just because you want to or you like to make people happy, then yes, you should be considered a good person.
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May 15, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
Should we say they hate. More like, they do not believe in it. But do americans like atheists more than they like members of most religious groups? Should we pick one for a president? The topic is just too complicated.. Having to do with faith and believes is always a thrilling topic to discuss about 😅
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 09:24:30 AM

Yes, I fail to perceive your delusional reality.

My senses are failing me in detecting your "unknown and undefined agent who is outside of this universe and influences everything in this universe, an agent who decided to inspire people to write some books but not others, etc."  I am paraphrasing as I don't remember all the details of your delusion.

I suspect you are not only delusional but also paranoid.  You see evil in any progressive thought, people who criticize the Bible, or people who believe in some other religions.  I suspect you view Atheists are the evilest of all people.  I think you have more in common with Islamists than you are willing to admit.

Yet, you admit that you are against slavery.  At least you are better than your God on that point, LOL.

You are an enigma, but I am not an expert in Psychiatry so I cannot help you further.

I suspect your delusion is not as severe as BADecker's or notbatman's, but I cannot be sure.  You could be masking it well because you are brighter than most people who suffer from these religious delusions.


Perhaps that is because you are looking in the wrong way. It is very difficult to touch a cloud or hear the light from the stars. Abstract truths are likewise challenging to perceive when the mind is focused on the senses.

The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A&

I don’t see evil in all thought labeled today as progressive I simply challenge the claim that most of the ideas so labeled are what they claim to be. I think many of them are regressive.

I also do not view Atheists as the “evilest of all people”. Religions do not suddenly make people evil or good. They provide a forward looking framework for thought and action. They are like blueprints. Starting with an empty field not much has immediately changed if you grab the blueprint for a prison or a cathedral.

With time effort and will, however, that blueprint will eventually manifest itself into reality.  Sooner or later the empty field will be gone transformed into the prison or the cathedral.

The good or evil of humans today are like variations in the quality of the field. Some fields are solid and reliable foundations others are swamps that make construction very difficult.

It is the blueprints, however, that define what will be. I do not think you are evil. I do, however, think your blueprints will create evil. Most bad ideas do.


Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master.
...

The Abolition of Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxI
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 09:05:31 AM

As you say, your perception is failing you.

Even in the silliness that is Big Bang, Hawking said that there is something outside of the universe to have caused the BB.

True criticism has to exist with true examination. Otherwise the criticism is simply religious-like belief. Your examination of the Bible was too superficial for you to correctly comment on it.

Consider many other place in the Bible like the first line in Galations 5: "It is for freedom that Christ has set you free." You are misunderstanding the whole operation of God regarding the slavery that mankind (not God) does.

Time for you to remove the beam out of your own eye, before you try to remove the splinter out of the eye of someone else.

You talk about the delusion of others, but fail to see that your delusion is causing you to go in the exact opposite direction of factual life.

Cool
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May 15, 2019, 05:45:37 AM
^^^ I'm kinda sad for you that you can't seem to absorb but one idea at a time, and even then not the whole thing. There's gotta be classes out there that you could attend so that your IQ could go up just a little.

Most people who ask things of God are asking many things at the same time. Some of them are contradictory. The way God answers is a perfect way.

As I said in another post, if you asked for death, you know full well that you probably wouldn't really be asking for death. What you would really be asking for is the solution to some problem that you are dumb enough that you can't see any other answer than death. But you don't really want to die. If you did, you wouldn't formulate the question. You'd simply go out and suicide yourself.

Same with Eve in the Garden. She didn't want the death that God promised her for eating the fruit. Rather, she wanted wisdom in such a way that she would be like God. But by listening to the serpent, she was really asking for death at the same time she was asking for better life. God gave her both. We don't know how long she lived, but it was probably in the order of 800 or 900 years. And then she died. Odds are very great that she is with God, right now, alive, in Paradise.

So, you see? You need to realize that your simplistic questions are not as simple as you think. Go to IQ school so that you can figure out how to formulate slightly more complex questions.

Cool

You literally said god answers Satan's requests which is simply stupid. Why would god answer Satan's requests? Were you drunk when you typed that?
legendary
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May 15, 2019, 01:15:28 AM

You clearly do not understand my position.  I do not have a choice.

My brain does not allow me to accept things that cannot be validated by science.  My epistemology is based on that.

^^ How does anyone know if all of the things that science has not validated can be scientifically validated? Do you have scientific validation that you do not have a choice without scientific validation?

The things that science cannot explain, I am ok with simply not knowing.

^^ If you don't have scientific validation for the idea that you only have choice with scientific validation, you don't really know if you only have scientifically validated choice. But you said that you only have scientifically validated choice, above.

You think I have made this choice but I am telling you I do not make choices to know what is true and what is not.

Things are true or false without me choosing them.


^^ Has it been scientifically validated that things are true or false without you choosing them? Quantum Entanglement suggests otherwise.

You have a choice, actually infinite number of them, you are limited only by your imagination, I, on the other hand, am confined to what science can discover and validate.

^^ Has science validated that you exist? If it hasn't, you may not be able to choose anything, scientifically validated or not... especially that someone else has some choices.

In a way, I envy you, you are an ignorant simpleton who is only limited by his imagination.  

^^ Has that been scientifically validated, or are you contradicting yourself by choosing to suggest such without scientific validation?

I wish I was dumber, life would have been a lot simpler.  Instead, I see a very complex world and I am sad that other people are dumb as rocks.  Where is the natural selection when you need her?


^^ If you continue on your course in life, you will probably become dumber. Perhaps you should have yourself checked out by several psychiatrists and psychologists. Particularly, show them you points in your post that I am quoting here, so that they understand what they are dealing with in you.

Besides, natural selection has not been scientifically validated. The closest it has come are the few jokers who suggest that it might have been scientifically validated.


Cool


You have to stand up to evil, otherwise, the evil will run amok.


The existence of evil and the moral obligation to oppose it also cannot be validated by science af_newbie. BADecker has done you a great service in deconstructing and highlighting the flaws in your logic. It is my recommendation that you spend some time pondering his comments.

It means a lot coming from a person who believes the evolution is a hoax.  He exposed his own lunacy, that is about it.

See you guys in the movies.

PS. All three of you, notbatman, BADecker and you should get together to iron out the details of your individual delusions. Clinically, you are all the same. Failure to perceive reality.

You should be aware you have diagnosed yourself here af_newbie. If you truly cannot see the glaring logical contradictions in your thoughts highlighted immediately above it can only be described as willful blindness.

You seem to care deeply about stopping evil and the advancement of society. You fail to understand that your incorrect perception of reality prevents the achievement of those ends. You are actively working at cross purposes to your stated goal and cannot see it.

The Three Parts of Morality by C.S. Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeCyrgjIQ
legendary
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May 14, 2019, 07:56:08 PM

It means a lot coming from a person who believes the evolution is a hoax.  He exposed his own lunacy, that is about it.

See you guys in the movies.

PS. All three of you, notbatman, BADecker and you should get together to iron out the details of your individual delusions. Clinically, you are all the same.  Failure to perceive reality.

So, now that evolution has been shown to be a hoax, you are turning it into a religion for yourself.

Are you going to the movies to watch "Alita: Battle Angel?"

Did you get over to the psychiatric ward yet, to see what the shrinks think about you?

Cool
legendary
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May 14, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
^^^ I'm kinda sad for you that you can't seem to absorb but one idea at a time, and even then not the whole thing. There's gotta be classes out there that you could attend so that your IQ could go up just a little.

Most people who ask things of God are asking many things at the same time. Some of them are contradictory. The way God answers is a perfect way.

As I said in another post, if you asked for death, you know full well that you probably wouldn't really be asking for death. What you would really be asking for is the solution to some problem that you are dumb enough that you can't see any other answer than death. But you don't really want to die. If you did, you wouldn't formulate the question. You'd simply go out and suicide yourself.

Same with Eve in the Garden. She didn't want the death that God promised her for eating the fruit. Rather, she wanted wisdom in such a way that she would be like God. But by listening to the serpent, she was really asking for death at the same time she was asking for better life. God gave her both. We don't know how long she lived, but it was probably in the order of 800 or 900 years. And then she died. Odds are very great that she is with God, right now, alive, in Paradise.

So, you see? You need to realize that your simplistic questions are not as simple as you think. Go to IQ school so that you can figure out how to formulate slightly more complex questions.

Cool
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May 14, 2019, 02:05:39 PM
^^^ God makes people alive. God lets people die. God does everything. When people come to life or die, God does it, just like He rolls the stars around, runs the electric-plasma engines that make the stars shine, makes the earthquakes and the peace that follows. The whole thing is His, He makes it all happen in every way, and understanding how and why He does things is what counts.

Satan can't do anything. Rather, (in this universe, at least) Satan requests from God, and God is the Mover Who does it. Why? Because nothing in this universe happens without God doing it.

Why does God answer requests to do bad things? Because when He set up this universe, He set it up on a request basis, that He would answer requests. There wasn't any idea of death or evil with God. But even though Satan - and to a lesser extent, people - brought evil into being, God doesn't change His answering of requests.

The interesting part about this is, God has His own plan that will get rid of all the evil. He will do it by creating the Lake of Fire, and dissolving the whole universe in it... including Satan, his angel followers, and all his human followers, as well. Why will He do this to those people and fallen angels? Because they are asking for God to not be in their presence. The LoF crash will be the result of God leaving this universe at their request.

God owns it; He has the right and duty. He, also, offers everyone a way out... Jesus salvation. Even believers die in this life. And God does it for them, so that they can put off the evil, and take up their places in heavenly joy... with a new body that doesn't have any of the weakness of this one.

So sad that you are going to miss it by asking God not to be in your life. But, God does it for you, whatever it is that you ask. You just don't realize all the things that you are really asking when you ask something. For example. If you are like af_newbie, and ask God to write something in this forum, you are really saying down deep that you want God to NOT write anything in this forum, especially when you request Him to, because you don't want to be forced into accepting the reality of God. (Why do I waste my time on you?)


You are like the quadriplegic who feels so helpless that he wants to die. But he is so weak that he can't take his own life. So he says, "Let me die; I can't take any more of this," not knowing that it is God he is requesting his death from. For a long time God withholds death, trying to get the guy to ask to be saved. And it actually stresses God to stretch His "disobedience" of His own law of giving what was asked for (The stretching is what pained the soul of Jesus, to death, on the cross).

But finally God gives the quadriplegic joker what he asks for. Too bad the QJ didn't realize that there was a lot more to the rejection of God than the simple "blankness" he was asking for. God tried to warn him over and over... even prepared a way (Jesus salvation) to get him out of his illness and into a new body in joy and happiness, forever.

But even the blankness of complete reduction to nothingness will be accomplished in the QJ. It will all be done at the end of eternity.

Cool

''Why does God answer requests to do bad things? Because when He set up this universe, He set it up on a request basis, that He would answer requests.'' Damn you are falling in a deeper hole every time you type anything, so god answers requests even if those requests are about killing other people which essentially gets rid of their free will which you always defend, at this point my brain is exploding of how ILLOGICAL what you said is, it's quite remarkable.
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May 14, 2019, 01:19:17 PM
^^^ God makes people alive. God lets people die. God does everything. When people come to life or die, God does it, just like He rolls the stars around, runs the electric-plasma engines that make the stars shine, makes the earthquakes and the peace that follows. The whole thing is His, He makes it all happen in every way, and understanding how and why He does things is what counts.

Satan can't do anything. Rather, (in this universe, at least) Satan requests from God, and God is the Mover Who does it. Why? Because nothing in this universe happens without God doing it.

Why does God answer requests to do bad things? Because when He set up this universe, He set it up on a request basis, that He would answer requests. There wasn't any idea of death or evil with God. But even though Satan - and to a lesser extent, people - brought evil into being, God doesn't change His answering of requests.

The interesting part about this is, God has His own plan that will get rid of all the evil. He will do it by creating the Lake of Fire, and dissolving the whole universe in it... including Satan, his angel followers, and all his human followers, as well. Why will He do this to those people and fallen angels? Because they are asking for God to not be in their presence. The LoF crash will be the result of God leaving this universe at their request.

God owns it; He has the right and duty. He, also, offers everyone a way out... Jesus salvation. Even believers die in this life. And God does it for them, so that they can put off the evil, and take up their places in heavenly joy... with a new body that doesn't have any of the weakness of this one.

So sad that you are going to miss it by asking God not to be in your life. But, God does it for you, whatever it is that you ask. You just don't realize all the things that you are really asking when you ask something. For example. If you are like af_newbie, and ask God to write something in this forum, you are really saying down deep that you want God to NOT write anything in this forum, especially when you request Him to, because you don't want to be forced into accepting the reality of God. (Why do I waste my time on you?)


You are like the quadriplegic who feels so helpless that he wants to die. But he is so weak that he can't take his own life. So he says, "Let me die; I can't take any more of this," not knowing that it is God he is requesting his death from. For a long time God withholds death, trying to get the guy to ask to be saved. And it actually stresses God to stretch His "disobedience" of His own law of giving what was asked for (The stretching is what pained the soul of Jesus, to death, on the cross).

But finally God gives the quadriplegic joker what he asks for. Too bad the QJ didn't realize that there was a lot more to the rejection of God than the simple "blankness" he was asking for. God tried to warn him over and over... even prepared a way (Jesus salvation) to get him out of his illness and into a new body in joy and happiness, forever.

But even the blankness of complete reduction to nothingness will be accomplished in the QJ. It will all be done at the end of eternity.

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