why do people agree to pay taxes? - page 123.

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Quote from: opossum on December 05, 2014, 07:34:05 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on December 05, 2014, 01:29:39 PM

Quote from: Possum577 on December 05, 2014, 04:42:59 AM

IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about Huh

the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

Liquidating assets is a short term solution to finance the deficit.
What would the government do when it has no more assets to sell?

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Quote from: opossum on December 05, 2014, 07:34:05 PM

What are you talking about Huh

the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

That is purely hypothetical; I have seen no proof of that. We are probably not even talking about the same "government".

If you want to see what I am talking about, go read the last few pages of this thread and search for my posts. Study those links.

Then, you can try to refute the proof that I posted about the surpluses.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on December 05, 2014, 01:29:39 PM

Quote from: Possum577 on December 05, 2014, 04:42:59 AM

IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about Huh

the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

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Quote from: Possum577 on December 05, 2014, 04:42:59 AM

IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on December 05, 2014, 06:08:11 AM

Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

...and that important services are better supplied by uninterested people not in the market, but by coercion.

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Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

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In the US people agree to pay taxes by voting for it, people WANT the taxes - the taxes pay for common services that the public and large wants to be provided.

You make it sound like the people don't have a choice, in the US they do. IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

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Quote from: Robert Paulson on October 15, 2014, 08:21:07 PM

the only reason this works is because the citizens are unorganized and unarmed.
if people gather in groups of tens of people to protect each other against the government there is no way they could throw anyone in jail.

I believe "groups of tens of people" could quite easily be taken over by the government.

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Quote from: bitcoinmining on December 03, 2014, 04:22:45 PM

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 30, 2014, 03:33:03 PM

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman Grin

).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary Shocked

If Romania was a Northern Europe country then your comment would make sense.

Sorry guys, when he said 'beautiful women' my mind directly goes to Ukraine, Romania, Croatia and other Eastern countries Grin

I think the same about Northern girls; but the weather is so cold for living man! I think it's better to visit, meet&fuck, go back to your country Cheesy

Sounds like sex tourism, Very good idea as long as you got money and not get AIDS Cheesy

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Quote from: goregrind on December 03, 2014, 08:43:25 AM

Quote from: bitcoinmining on December 02, 2014, 09:13:56 PM

Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 30, 2014, 03:33:03 PM

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman Grin

).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary Shocked

If Romania was a Northern Europe country then your comment would make sense.

Sorry guys, when he said 'beautiful women' my mind directly goes to Ukraine, Romania, Croatia and other Eastern countries Grin

I think the same about Northern girls; but the weather is so cold for living man! I think it's better to visit, meet&fuck, go back to your country Cheesy

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Quote from: teukon on November 29, 2014, 08:18:38 AM

Yep. Suppose we're in the US and the median personal income is 40 000 USD/year. Enter a politician which promises to tax the hell out of everyone with a personal income greater than 50 000 USD/year so that everyone else can enjoy free government. We put this new policy to a vote. 56% of votes are for the policy with 44% against. Great, now we have a new law passed in truly democratic fashion which allows the majority of people to live tax free with plenty of free government services.

Looks like France :-)

75% tax for the top earners, and removed the lower tax slice (reduced it to 0).

Only about 40% people in France pay income taxes.

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Quote from: bitcoinmining on December 02, 2014, 09:13:56 PM

Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 30, 2014, 03:33:03 PM

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman Grin

).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary Shocked

If Romania was a Northern Europe country then your comment would make sense.

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on November 30, 2014, 03:33:03 PM

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman Grin

).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary Shocked

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Quote from: pereira4 on December 02, 2014, 07:58:59 PM

If you ever go into a bad situation that you cant yourself solve you'll understand why paying taxes is good.

Like getting shot in the back by a government agent for walking down the street?

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If you ever go into a bad situation that you cant yourself solve you'll understand why paying taxes is good.

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Quote from: bf4btc on December 02, 2014, 12:01:36 AM

Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2014, 11:57:59 PM

"Protection taxes" aka bribes are already paid around the world to government officials by those who want to have the usurped privilege (when it's the fundamental human right) to effectively defend themselves. In spite of your beloved "laws" which only disarm and punish those who can't afford the bribes.

I'd prefer your "lawlessness" equally for all, instead of just for those who can afford to bribe.

The problem with this theory is that not everyone is able to sufficiently fend for themselves, and when they cannot do so, if taxes were not required then the government would have no way of protecting it's poeple.

My theory does not exclude charity defenders, aka Good Samaritans (who the government destroys far too often). It is settled law that the government has no duty to protect anyone - and perversely, harms everyone far more often than it has the chance to protect them.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on November 30, 2014, 11:57:59 PM

"Protection taxes" aka bribes are already paid around the world to government officials by those who want to have the usurped privilege (when it's the fundamental human right) to effectively defend themselves. In spite of your beloved "laws" which only disarm and punish those who can't afford the bribes.

I'd prefer your "lawlessness" equally for all, instead of just for those who can afford to bribe.

The problem with this theory is that not everyone is able to sufficiently fend for themselves, and when they cannot do so, if taxes were not required then the government would have no way of protecting it's poeple.

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Quote from: teukon on December 01, 2014, 06:39:48 AM

Quote from: Atdhe on December 01, 2014, 12:12:01 AM

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I'd prefer your "lawlessness" equally for all, instead of just for those who can afford to bribe.

Unfortunatelly for you and for majority of people, reality is not what most people wish for. It never was like that and never will be. It will be even much less in BTC-economy, because it will be even more antidemocratic than recent systems.

Err... I'm pretty sure TheButterZone is not a big fan of democracy.

Correct. Whether it be one man/woman or the entire population of the world, their "vote" to murder an innocent is invalid.

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Quote from: Atdhe on December 01, 2014, 12:12:01 AM

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I'd prefer your "lawlessness" equally for all, instead of just for those who can afford to bribe.

Unfortunatelly for you and for majority of people, reality is not what most people wish for. It never was like that and never will be. It will be even much less in BTC-economy, because it will be even more antidemocratic than recent systems.

Err... I'm pretty sure TheButterZone is not a big fan of democracy.

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Someone taxed your english really heavily so it is hard to understand (and my english is far from perfect).

Sure there will be always taxable goods. But there will be less and less of them and many of BTC p2p transactions will not be those. If governemnts want to keep the same income from taxes, they would have to raise the taxes of shrinking pack of taxable goods to sky, which will totally distort market and only support further tax evasion. It is not bearable for economy to tax houses 20% of their value p.a. or have 150% VAT.

Tax as equivalent of some goods, e.g. every person pays 2 goats and one rabit - nice idea, but that is too little for economies of most countries which developed social system, public healthcare etc.

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