Topic: why do people agree to pay taxes? - page 118. (Read 51023 times)

Let me quote you : You misunderstood. We are not against paying for services, we are against being forced to pay for a service that is protected from competition. Well said!

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, History proves it. Not repeating myself with Rothbard's argument, I did not even seen opposed once, just ignored.

Feeding one ruler instead of another does not mean a shit to me.

You misunderstood. We are not against paying for services, we are against being forced to pay for a service that is protected from competition.

As I am against, I profit from this system. My main activity is ".NET Development Certified Trainer", and in France I am paid between 800 to 1500€ a day for it, while a school teacher is barely at 150€.
It is not because I am smarter, it is just because in my country, the State subsidies enormous sum of money (and oblige companies to save) for corporate training.
It makes my customers completely insensitive to the price... this money does not got into the well being of my students (employees), if I was paid less, I would still give courses and trainer's would be as good as now.
This money goes into my pocket and training centers one.

You are forced to pay taxes. And I will collect it, if I don't I would be like a milk cow. (the majority)
I don't support such system. But it is always possible to profit from the tax system and not be a milk cow.

The taxes are not for court or police but for the government to keep ruling and get bigger. 1% of the taxes paid in the US would be enough for police and court.
You can't justified taxes with 1% of what they are spent for.

Had you not foregone both private and public schooling in favor of huffing paint, you would know why children of the wealthy elite, those who both can afford & are willing to pay the tuition of private schools, are more likely to succeed than the children of ghetto crackheads

if you will not pay taxes to the government, then there is no police, no court, no law.
Then you will pay taxes, the largest drug dealer from your neighborhood.
If you do not feed your army, then you feed enemy army.
But if you do not like it you can always buy a boat and sail the high seas, or move into the wilderness of Canada, Alaska, South America, Africa. But you probably do not like that scenario. You would probably want legal and physical protection, and would utilize the market that the government is legally organized and edited, you would use the state infrastructure but would not want to pay for the use .

Let me ask you another question OP.

Why do people agree to live in a country? For that matter, why do they agree to live alongside other people in communities and benefit from the inclusion, while denouncing the cost of belonging to such a group?


Once again, why do you agree to live in A COUNTRY? A community?

Right. This is why private schools (both at the secondary and post-secondary - eg college levels) are so much more expensive then public schools (eg schools run by the government). It is also probably why private schools have such a lower success rate of people graduating and finding employment (that requires the degree earned) then public schools so

People pay taxes because in the end it is a necessity on a certain level and people cannot fight the government about something like that. Ever since the roman ages people were paying taxes. Nothing has changed.

Education (especially at the school level) is a basic need. If this is left totally to private enterprises, they would only think of profiteering from it. You need the government to provide a good counter through affordable, quality education.
You also need quality regulators to ensure that private enterprises are doing an acceptable job. All this requires money, paid for by our taxes.

Education is too important to leave the government take care of it, it will use it for political gains and you will end up having to pay a high price with no competition and no innovation

What is your point for such claims ? Enforcement of laws, we don't need them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
Nobody have yet gave a single logical argument about why this system would not work.

What is your point for schools ? Murray Rothbard have compelling argument about why private education would be better and cheaper than public one.
Here is one book I did not read. (http://mises.org/sites/default/files/Education%20Free%20and%20Compulsory_3.pdf)
And his point in "For a New Liberty", that I already read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALSCIo05yJI

TL;DR :
Public education is always stretched in war between people that want more art, some more math, some more religion, some more whatever, more teacher, better condition etc...
The problem is that the compromise is not really compelling to anyone.
A solution would be private school, curriculum included, that would let everyone decide by themself which school their children should go, based on their own judgement. (instead of a half backed compromise)
This would embrace human diversity over uniformity.
Each school would have an incentive to choose a curriculum that please their customers.
This would make school competition fierce. Obsession toward efficiency would drive the price of schooling down.
Taxes would not finance the school, which would make the poor and rich alike better disposed to spend it in schools they chose with their own preferences.

I can't make justice to Rothbard in 5 lines on the book he wrote, but this is the general idea.

This is correct. The government needs money in order to function. There are certain things that would never be appropriate for private enterprises to do (like make and enforce laws) and certain things that it would make more sense for the government to do (instead of a private enterprise) to do, like schools for example.

Yes, and don't forget corruption.
As Rothbard pointed out, corruption happens when the government makes laws that are either difficult to enforce, or morally unjust for the enforcer.
So the enforcer then grant a "licence to fraud" by using his position, against some money. This is the nature of corruption. (giving rise to local monopoly, since the enforcer can prevent competition from happening if his "customer" is paying well enough)

As tax is high and become morally unacceptable for the tax controller, the cash needed to keep the mouth of the tax controller shut will decrease.
But this is unreachable for our wallet. At least in rich countries where taxation is high on the moral scale. ;(
Interestingly, I heard that in China, this is the norm (chinese people to confirm this here ?)

Nevertheless, a legal offshore company to a country that is low in taxes, or has corruptible enforcers is always a possibility. Even more for knowledge workers.

they will just taxex you more if you don't pay taxe, until you become homeless, there no jail for this

you can escape taxes if you pay for something not trackable

Paying taxes is fine as long as the amount is reasonable. I don't want to pay anything more than %10. %10 is a nice number.

I need to pay 10stones for that 2.0liter bmw? Alright, here it is. 9 stones for bmw, and 1 stone for the government.

Sounds very reasonable. Makes sense.

Buy in some 3rd world counties like T****y, they charge %130 for a god damn 2.0liter car (everybrand) and plus V.A.T.

Hell I would'nt pay that nonsense even if i were rich.

ok so say you do not pay taxes?  and then what?

You will probably end up in jail and fined some more on top of the interest.

And if enuff ppl is to resist this then you would have a state of emergency that might lead to something even worse.

I guess you can always open an offshore acct if you do not want to pay taxes to your native country.

This is assuming you live in a democracy. 

You disagree with paying taxes but still paying them not to go to jail


Taxes build a big government that slows down the economy

well i think its needed or there will be chaos

with taxes the country has money and they can help build there country without taxes i dont know what source of money they would have!

If you don't agree to pay taxes you would end up in jail. People are forced to pay taxes.