why do people agree to pay taxes? - page 130.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 10:25:01 PM

Quote from: Tsquared on November 09, 2014, 09:25:51 PM

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Well, I for one do not think that D&B are liars; the gov on the other hand is full of liars.

And the current system of government is not operating under authority of the original Constitution.

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 03:48:52 AM

I am not in receipt of any proof that gov agencies are nonprofit entities. All complaints or indictments today cite "laws" which bear no enacting clause, that is to say, they lack the seal of constitutional authority.

Many recognize that the legal system today does not follow constitutional law or the common law, as it once did, but is now operating under some other law.

Read more about Our Nonconstitutional Legal System; by its own actions, that "government" that you allege to be constitutional and lawful has no more authority over me than any other private company! If you are in a rush, you can read just the last page or two of that link.

I'm gonna have to invoke Poe's Law here. Can't tell if this guy is serious or trolling

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Quote from: Tsquared on November 09, 2014, 09:25:51 PM

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Well, I for one do not think that D&B are liars; the gov on the other hand is full of liars.

And the current system of government is not operating under authority of the original Constitution.

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 03:48:52 AM

I am not in receipt of any proof that gov agencies are nonprofit entities. All complaints or indictments today cite "laws" which bear no enacting clause, that is to say, they lack the seal of constitutional authority.

Many recognize that the legal system today does not follow constitutional law or the common law, as it once did, but is now operating under some other law.

Read more about Our Nonconstitutional Legal System; by its own actions, that "government" that you allege to be constitutional and lawful has no more authority over me than any other private company! If you are in a rush, you can read just the last page or two of that link.

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How the hell did a discussion about taxes turn into this ridiculous debate?

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Government is not a business, though many feel that it would be more efficient if run like one. On the other hand, governments do own businesses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-owned_corporation

Not sure that the existence of government offices is a directory listing really means much of anything.

TT

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I am unwatching this thread now.

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Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 07:19:24 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 07:12:40 PM

It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

That's probably for the best. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

That's your opinion, but as far as our conversation, it ended here:

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 06:06:40 PM

Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

It's like you can't read

1) "Business" is a common street term.
2) Any entity listed in the business registry is a business; D&B's registry is "a database of companies".
3) The government is not operating under the constitutional laws because in all indictments and complaints they point to laws that lack the constitutional seal of authority.

I have seen the gov's entries in the business registry, and it is classified as a company. A nonconstitutional government is not a government at all. I have seen no disproof of my three points above.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 07:12:40 PM

It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

That's probably for the best. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 06:39:42 PM

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 09, 2014, 06:37:14 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 06:30:11 PM

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims. That would be you

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet.
4) This is not extraordinary by any means. Grin

1) ...along with other data. Duh./

You don't understand what that site is. It's like yellow pages. It lists businesses, government offices, you can find a police station if you're inclined.

Unless you feel that the majority of the people agree that US gov. is a privately held corporation, you are making what's termed as "extraordinary claim."

If you feel that the majority agrees with you, then you had no reason to bring it up.
Again, how old are you? I would accuse you of pedantry, but I'm afraid the word might send you on another aspy tangent Undecided

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I will gladly tell you that my age is of no importance, once you realize the seriousness of D&B's claim, and these four points:

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet.
4) This is not extraordinary by any means.

Cheesy

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Quote from: NotLambchop on November 09, 2014, 06:37:14 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 06:30:11 PM

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims. That would be you

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet.
4) This is not extraordinary by any means. Grin

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 06:30:11 PM

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims. That would be you

*But all kidding aside--how old are you?

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Quote from: TheButterZone on November 09, 2014, 06:08:52 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 03:50:49 PM

Obviously any entity listed in the business registry is a business.

So, will you admit that the gov is "doing business"?

No, no, no! Businesses aren't allowed to commit naked acts of aggression with impunity against their innocent customers! Wink

The solution is simple: complain that you are being intimidated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txa0KYrxPv8&list=UU5q1yZgnjCjwv6RVt4qFwlQ

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Quote from: NotLambchop on November 09, 2014, 06:23:43 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 02:05:31 AM

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Per Dun & Bradstreet: http://www.allcreatorsgifts.org/main0025.html

The link you gave is not D&B, it's a blog, in turn giving a link to manta.com. Manta.com is an internet equivalent of the yellow pages.

Grow up.

I am sorry, but where is the proof that I am wrong about the presence of gov in the business registry?

Manta.com subscribes to four of the leading publishers of business information -- Icon, Dun & Bradstreet, Datamonitor and Snapdata.

Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 02:05:31 AM

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Per Dun & Bradstreet: http://www.allcreatorsgifts.org/main0025.html

The link you gave is not D&B, it's a blog, in turn giving a link to manta.com. Manta.com is an internet equivalent of the yellow pages. Grow up.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 03:50:49 PM

Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 02:38:36 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

So, first off, your source is garbage. I can make a website poorly formatted saying anything I want. That isn't a quality source for information.

Dun and Bradstreet doesn't define an entity as a business or private business, etc. That's a legal definition, and not something Dun and Bradstreet can confer. So, even if your ridiculous source is correct, it really doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Obviously any entity listed in the business registry is a business.

So, will you admit that the gov is "doing business"?

No, no, no! Businesses aren't allowed to commit naked acts of aggression with impunity against their innocent customers! Wink

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Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

It's like you can't read

1) "Business" is a common street term.
2) Any entity listed in the business registry is a business; D&B's registry is "a database of companies".
3) The government is not operating under the constitutional laws because in all indictments and complaints they point to laws that lack the constitutional seal of authority.

I have seen the gov's entries in the business registry, and it is classified as a company. A nonconstitutional government is not a government at all. I have seen no disproof of my three points above.

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 03:50:49 PM

Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 02:38:36 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

So, first off, your source is garbage. I can make a website poorly formatted saying anything I want. That isn't a quality source for information.

Dun and Bradstreet doesn't define an entity as a business or private business, etc. That's a legal definition, and not something Dun and Bradstreet can confer. So, even if your ridiculous source is correct, it really doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Obviously any entity listed in the business registry is a business.

So, will you admit that the gov is "doing business"?

It's like you can't read

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@bl4kjaguar: How old are you, bro?

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Quote from: worle1bm on November 09, 2014, 02:38:36 PM

Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

So, first off, your source is garbage. I can make a website poorly formatted saying anything I want. That isn't a quality source for information.

Dun and Bradstreet doesn't define an entity as a business or private business, etc. That's a legal definition, and not something Dun and Bradstreet can confer. So, even if your ridiculous source is correct, it really doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

Obviously any entity listed in the business registry is a business.

So, will you admit that the gov is "doing business"?

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Quote from: bl4kjaguar on November 09, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

So, first off, your source is garbage. I can make a website poorly formatted saying anything I want. That isn't a quality source for information.

Dun and Bradstreet doesn't define an entity as a business or private business, etc. That's a legal definition, and not something Dun and Bradstreet can confer. So, even if your ridiculous source is correct, it really doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

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