Topic: why do people agree to pay taxes? - page 134. (Read 50995 times)

Why up the ante?  Is there something wrong with the basic thought?

Still, going further is an interesting idea.  I'm sure a sufficiently large group of sufficiently wealthy libertarians would jump at the chance to essentially forge their own country from collectively owned land within the US.  Perhaps the Free State Project would give this a go.

Math is not hyperbole. If you add up every single thing that statists have claimed is a government benefit, only a completely irrational person would not say that sum is effectively equivalent to "everything".

No that just your hyperbole.  Nobody needs to die.  Proposals like school vouchers allow parents to deduct taxes for private school expense.  The problem w these kind of ideas though, is that it can create polarization of society and exaggerate inequality gap

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

The goverment wouldn't like that, theres no not enough money for them if they make it voluntary

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

^Well alright then.  Continue raging.

i don't need to dismantle anything.
the great socialist republic of America will crumble all by itself from all the deadbeats in government and the free shit army wasting all the resources.
indeed it seems history has sense of humor, turning America into the much hated Soviet Union.

Its your money?  LOL

That $465M loan to Tesla how much of that was yours? 

You can fund whatever you want.  Nobody is going to stop you. 

You want to dismantle gov't research grants?  Yeah good luck w that.  I doubt you'd ever gain the political will to do that

right, so now the government funded research for Google.
and Google (who of course asked to be funded) owes the government its protection money, is that how it works?

how about the government doesn't fund anyone with my money.
if ill want to fund research you know what I'll do? ill just send that money to the university and fund it myself, what right does anyone have to steal my money and use it to fund some stuff they decided i need.

No its more like gov't use your tax dollars to fund research for companies like Google.  Then when they succeed they offshore employment and dodge taxes.

those are cold hard facts.
i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

You're ignoring incredible suffering and inequality for a few anecdotes of idealistic thinking. How amazingly void of usefulness. That and your statements are basically just made up things you think are good points.

These are overly dramatic statements that really don't say anything. This hyperbole is great for rabble rousing, and poor at anything else. If you want to be taken seriously, talk like a reasonable adult and think like a reasonably education adult. This crap is just that...crap.

and its a fact the government has no money of its own, only what it steals from the population.
any government grant is nothing more then giving back to the victim what was stolen from him in the first place.

Its is a fact that tcp/ip was funded w govt grant

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/07/23/yes-government-researchers-really-did-invent-the-internet/

Google search was originally funded a grant from National Science Foundation

Tesla received $465M loan from Dept of Energy.

There is a lot of innovation that has been funded by govt.  But the point isn't about misuse of taxes its about how the gov't socialize venture risk and dorsnt get rewards.  Instead of paying taxes here companies like Google hides in offshore tax havens

a student writing a phd thesis on packet switched networks is not funded by the government.
even if the government did fund this research it doesn't matter, the government has no money of its own, it simply gave those institutions some of the tax money it stole from them back.
they would have been much better off if the government didn't exist and they could keep all of their income instead of being forced to pay taxes.

i gave you examples of the most popular services on the internet and shown you they are all being run by private companies.
i bet you can't give me one example of a government service on the internet anyone would want to use and yet you claim the government created the internet.
clearly your the one who has no idea.

you look at America before 1913 as if all it had was slavery and corruption.
you completely ignore that it was then that the American empire was created,
money was honest and backed by gold, banks couldn't manipulate the interest rate and print unlimited supplies of it and get away with it like they do today.
there was no minimum wage, you could get a job even if your labor was worth very little, learn a trade and climb the corporate ladder, production efficiency was high.
there was no income tax, you could keep almost all of your hard labor.
despite of production costs back then being much higher due to old technology a family could live on one paycheck, something that is impossible for a median family today.

the standard of living has risen due to technological improvements and despite the minimum wage not because of it.
it is the reason why nothing is produced in America anymore and why America owes trillions to China.
it is the reason why the unemployed college graduates can't get a job, their labor is worth less than the minimum wage and no one will hire them, this prevents them from getting their foot at the door, learning the trade and climbing the corporate ladder.

government is good, taxes are good. Declining government is not good, and misuse is not good.

Did you even read your sources? All of this research was funded through either the government or through public universities haha, that's exactly what I said.

So you really have no idea, you're just throwing things out and hoping they stick.

You mean the time period when workers were exploited using incredibly unfair labor practices *cough* slavery, the government allowed monopolies because many elections were essentially bought, and we had literal legal slavery? When large firms, to avoid competition, would kill opponents to seize land and property in the West, abuse their political connections to strong arm small firms or landowners, and indentured servitude was the norm for thousands of immigrants? This is your golden age of American existence?

Yeah, they didn't bend the Constitution, they utilized the Commerce Clause iirc to establish the right to regulate employment. This helped lead to the enormous rise in living standards we've seen this century, and the creation of the middle class. I know you've read a lot of things on the interwebs, and everyone screams enough anarcho-capitalist stuff that you believe it, but it isn't accurate just because you've seen or read a large amount of it.