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November 06, 2014, 06:13:46 AM
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why do people agree to pay taxes?
Because their parents paid taxes.
The greatest tragedy of tradition Smiley

Another possible response from Nineteen Eighty-Four : because they think big brother is watching.
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November 05, 2014, 10:34:01 PM
A theory only "proven" by the systematic perpetration of human rights violations being labeled "civilized society", when those same sociopathic violators without a government to provide official, "legal" cover, would be suicidally risking their lives to do the same were anarchy the dominant system instead.
What are human rights in your view? What entitles humans to "human rights"?
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November 05, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
The services the government 'forces' you to buy cannot be purchased by a small number of people, meaning that they cannot be provided to a small group of people. Also these services are theoretically necessary for society to continue in a civilized manner  

A theory only "proven" by the systematic perpetration of human rights violations being labeled "civilized society", when those same sociopathic violators without a government to provide official, "legal" cover, would be suicidally risking their lives to do the same were anarchy the dominant system instead.
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November 05, 2014, 08:05:38 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
The services the government 'forces' you to buy cannot be purchased by a small number of people, meaning that they cannot be provided to a small group of people. Also these services are theoretically necessary for society to continue in a civilized manner 
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November 05, 2014, 05:41:33 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.

don't blame the victim for refusing to buy the services the government is trying to force him to buy.
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November 05, 2014, 01:59:18 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
Nothing in life is "pre-paid". When you don't pay your taxes you are sticking someone else with your bills. It might make you feel self reliant to not pay taxes, but in reality it makes you a deadbeat.
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November 05, 2014, 03:24:17 AM
why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

The reason is simple: you don't understand the law, and particularly the authority of law. For whatever reason, you have not educated yourself on this topic.

It has been repeatedly declared by the courts of this land (America) that an enacting clause is to appear on the face of every law which the people are expected to follow and obey.

Here, I will help you out; if you are in a rush then simply read the last page or the chapter entitled "Our Nonconstitutional Legal System", but do read the entire document if you can:
http://econcurrent.com/devine/files/08-Law/Authority%20of%20Law%20part%202.pdf

Get people to voluntarily agree to follow a set of laws or rules and get rid of all this murky circular logic.  Of course that would take the power away from government and give it to the people so this is why the ruling elites will never propose such a system. 
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November 04, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
Paying taxes give you access to services from your country. When those services are of low quality people should get things in their hands and start looking at how their money were spent. This is not something we can do today because of how shady our political system makeg things, with cryptocurrencies everything would be at advatange of people.

I doubt if the political system will be changed because of crypto-currencies. We get the politicians we deserve.  Smiley
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November 03, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.
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November 03, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.

Nothing worse than being dependent on systems that are paid for by our tax dollars.... oh wait...the entire US economy.... shizzz we are toast
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November 03, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
There are so many things we take for granted that taxes pay for.
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November 03, 2014, 09:06:09 AM
Paying taxes give you access to services from your country. When those services are of low quality people should get things in their hands and start looking at how their money were spent. This is not something we can do today because of how shady our political system makeg things, with cryptocurrencies everything would be at advatange of people.
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November 03, 2014, 07:45:09 AM
Paying taxes is very important otherwise all the service can not be paid, which are used by public.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.

All taxes go towards interest on the debt, per the Grace Commission Report.

In 1997, non-tax income (investment income) was twice as much as tax income per that year's Federal Consolidated Financial Statement.
Local and Federal Government's "GROSS" income brought in TWICE that of the entire population of the USA "net after taxation"; see cafr1.com for links to these documents.

Furthermore, all local governments in the US are corporations per Dun and Bradstreet, so they have shareholders who own those assets, and these are not "public non-profit" corporations as you describe.

You will also find this link quite informative, I am sure:
http://www.allcreatorsgifts.org/main0025.html

Ballantine's Law Dictionary tells you that it is duress (coercion) for them to threaten to terminate services for nonpayment:
Duress by public utility. The exaction of a payment demanded for services under threat of terminating service, thereby causing great injury to the property or business of the customer.
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November 03, 2014, 07:39:06 AM
why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

The reason is simple: you don't understand the law, and particularly the authority of law. For whatever reason, you have not educated yourself on this topic.

It has been repeatedly declared by the courts of this land (America) that an enacting clause is to appear on the face of every law which the people are expected to follow and obey.

Here, I will help you out; if you are in a rush then simply read the last page or the chapter entitled "Our Nonconstitutional Legal System", but do read the entire document if you can:
http://econcurrent.com/devine/files/08-Law/Authority%20of%20Law%20part%202.pdf
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November 03, 2014, 07:20:43 AM
Paying taxes is very important otherwise all the service can not be paid, which are used by public, so they should be run and own by public.

The state should take as much as the commerce is doing fine and people can afford their all day spending. That money should be used wisely, but sometimes its not, but as long we see paved streets and public transportation and social care its well done. Unfortunately state is going into debts and the public have to pay interests for that. That should be forbidden or made up with higher taxetion. IMO
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November 03, 2014, 07:20:14 AM
Yup.

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November 03, 2014, 07:12:58 AM
i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

And if you don't like taxes and working governments, move to the free market anarchistic heaven that is Somalia.
See, stupid statements work both ways.

the only problem with that is that somalia has a government.
in the brief period it didn't it had its highest economic growth ever.
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November 03, 2014, 05:54:36 AM
Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.
Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

Most filthy humans wouldn't pay for anything unless forced to do so.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.
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November 03, 2014, 05:31:51 AM
i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

And if you don't like taxes and working governments, move to the free market anarchistic heaven that is Somalia.
See, stupid statements work both ways.
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November 02, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.
Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

No that just your hyperbole.  Nobody needs to die.  Proposals like school vouchers allow parents to deduct taxes for private school expense.  The problem w these kind of ideas though, is that it can create polarization of society and exaggerate inequality gap

Math is not hyperbole. If you add up every single thing that statists have claimed is a government benefit, only a completely irrational person would not say that sum is effectively equivalent to "everything".

What does that mean "math is not hyperbole"?  Most of us think you can't separate the state from society.  Not modern societies anyways.

What does it have to do w taxes or democide?

You don't think there can be taxes in an anarchic system?  Of course there can be

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