Topic: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 19. (Read 4836 times)

Quote from: slapper on June 07, 2023, 05:11:57 AM

~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern of how gambling works.

Let's say no pain no gain because money is the pain and the risk you take to be able to win something and even though you play on a demo account you won't have any winning and at that, it will amount to nothing because you did not stake any real amount, so it becomes boring to keep playing, but on the other hand staking with real money bring in the excitement to keep playing since the winning will become the motivation to keep the game on.

A trader can learn good trading by using demo account. But never get a taste of gambling using this demo account. Gambling doesn't take long to learn. Neither the cost of losing nor the joy of winning is reflected when a gambler conducts betting on a demo account. Unless the gambler panics between winning and losing, it cannot be considered gambling. Because according to the basic rules of gambling there must be an element of loss and gain through money or anything else.

Demo account basically gives gambling experience but full fake money is used here. And various gambling platforms provide the facility of demo account so that users can increase their gambling experience by gambling with fake money in this demo account and later gamble with real money carefully. It will reduce the possibility of his financial loss. there are many people who don't understand gambling very well but get interested in gambling after hearing others' profit stories and watching others gambling, in this case demo account can help them a lot to understand gambling and get some practical ideas.

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In my perspective, the answer hinges on the definition of 'risk.' In monetary terms, if no money is staked, it might seem there is no risk. However, let's consider the aspect of 'time.' Even in free games or rounds, one invests time, which is arguably our most precious resource. From this standpoint, it can indeed be construed as a form of gambling.

If you count time as an investment, you may say it's gambling. But I have a different point of view. It could differ from person to person. Time is indeed the most precious resource. But not for everyone. There are a lot of people trying to spend their time having fun. Sometimes we spend money to have fun as we gamble and risk our money. I don't see this as gambling when having fun without risking anything. Instead, I consider it as entertainment without investment.

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Concerning free bets, they could be seen as a kind of conditional wagering, where you're potentially risking the opportunity cost. The absence of a direct financial commitment doesn't necessarily exempt it from being classified as gambling. This is indeed a complex issue and depends on how we frame 'risk' and 'wager.'

Well, I understand your point. I agree with the part you said it depends on how we frame 'risk' and 'wager.' Free bets can be called gambling since there is a risk of opportunity cost. But, It still depends on how you see this. I don't care too much about free bets. I would be happy if I could win something from the free bet. But there is nothing to lose if you lose. I don't have to invest to place a bet. All I have to do is get a free chance. I spend my spare time on the internet chatting and watching video content. There is no problem guessing which team will win and where i am risking nothing.

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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

The essence of gambling, at least to most players I believe, is that you stand to gain a tangible return from taking a risk. While this is technically true with virtual goods, you still don't have any "skin in the game" as it were and might as well be throwing your virtual money at a random number guessing game for all the benefit it brings you. Being able to say you have gotten richer from a wise decision could be construed as a underpinning force behind gambling. Of course the flip side is that you are stupid if you lose repeatedly. There is no judgement on either , but virtual betting is nonsense and a complete waste of time really.

Fortify you are right and that applies to me personally, the reason why I gamble is to make money from risking my money on the bets as long as I can make an extra case from my gambling activities it's ok for me, And that is what increases my motivation to keep playing and to see how to reflect this on the daily activeness of my gambling behaviour.

But also we have a few fun games and I don't know if we can classify them under gambling since we doing stake any money playing them, but just play against friends just to have fun, I don't find them interesting most times.

If it doesnt involved gambling or betting then it would really be definitely be considered to be thrilling and something interesting.We cant really deny that earning money potentially through gambling does really give out that kind of thrill and excitement which it would really be making your blood pumping. Anything that you do as long it doesnt really involved money it cant be called gambling which i couldnt
blame on why people doesnt see for this one to be interesting because they cant gain something.

Whenever you do make some gamble just because you are really that finding for leisure and finding for something that could bring out some potential wins then it would really be your choice
on whatever things you do really want to deal off with. Gambling does make money or giving out opportunity to win money and at the same time you would lose too.
This is why on making yourself that pretty aware in between things.

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Quote from: Fortify on June 07, 2023, 12:41:27 PM

Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

The essence of gambling, at least to most players I believe, is that you stand to gain a tangible return from taking a risk. While this is technically true with virtual goods, you still don't have any "skin in the game" as it were and might as well be throwing your virtual money at a random number guessing game for all the benefit it brings you. Being able to say you have gotten richer from a wise decision could be construed as a underpinning force behind gambling. Of course the flip side is that you are stupid if you lose repeatedly. There is no judgement on either , but virtual betting is nonsense and a complete waste of time really.

Fortify you are right and that applies to me personally, the reason why I gamble is to make money from risking my money on the bets as long as I can make an extra case from my gambling activities it's ok for me, And that is what increases my motivation to keep playing and to see how to reflect this on the daily activeness of my gambling behaviour.

But also we have a few fun games and I don't know if we can classify them under gambling since we doing stake any money playing them, but just play against friends just to have fun, I don't find them interesting most times.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

The essence of gambling, at least to most players I believe, is that you stand to gain a tangible return from taking a risk. While this is technically true with virtual goods, you still don't have any "skin in the game" as it were and might as well be throwing your virtual money at a random number guessing game for all the benefit it brings you. Being able to say you have gotten richer from a wise decision could be construed as a underpinning force behind gambling. Of course the flip side is that you are stupid if you lose repeatedly. There is no judgement on either , but virtual betting is nonsense and a complete waste of time really.

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~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.

Why do we gamble? To have fun and to gain some money too. Yes, if you only need fun, there are many games like arcade games, puzzles or action games that may give you even more fun with attractive graphics but when you are gambling, your main focus is to earn some money too.

So if you ask gamblers to gamble with fake money or no money at all, I don't think they will show any interest. Suppose you are betting on a match and in the end you know that the winner will get no reward, would you bet or even think of doing all this hassle?

So for gamblers without money, there is no gambling.

Yes, gambling is something that always needs to bet, if we do not bet it is not the same emotion, it does not feel the same, it could be said that we are experiencing the experience badly if it is about playing, we can have fun, but Sometimes you play with fake or fictitious money and you win, but when you change to real money then in my case I always lose, and then those things make me angry with myself, because if I had started doing things with real money I would have won, but I don't know if the games in demo mode sweeten us to later bet with real money and lose, I always have that doubt.

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~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.

Why do we gamble? To have fun and to gain some money too. Yes, if you only need fun, there are many games like arcade games, puzzles or action games that may give you even more fun with attractive graphics but when you are gambling, your main focus is to earn some money too.

So if you ask gamblers to gamble with fake money or no money at all, I don't think they will show any interest. Suppose you are betting on a match and in the end you know that the winner will get no reward, would you bet or even think of doing all this hassle?

So for gamblers without money, there is no gambling.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on June 06, 2023, 09:55:22 PM

~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.

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Quote from: summonerrk on May 29, 2023, 06:50:45 AM

I agree, because the word Risk is embedded in the very concept of gambling. That is, one of two or more partners risks something when he makes a kind of deal with another participant.

Until now, I still agree that only money or other valuable assets can be wagered as a risk in gambling. Therefore, it seems more logical to state that anyone who doesn't have money or other valuable items to stake, even if they stand to win a prize, is not engaging in gambling.

However, there is an intriguing perspective when we look at it from a different angle, which I often encounter within my circle of friends. Yep, gambling can also refer to the act of risking something uncertain against something else. It's worth noting that not all wealth comes in the form of money but can also be in the form of agreements.

Have you ever heard a friend making a simple bet during the final match of the 2022 World Cup and saying something like this to the owner of a small restaurant: "If Portugal wins the final match, I will clean this place for a week. But if Argentina wins, I request free meals at this place for a week."

Yes, those were words laced with laughter, but we, as men, never go back on our word. And in my opinion, that can be considered a form of gambling. Right? But, no money here.

Yes, but in a broad sense, he does not risk much, and he does not enter into a binding agreement or contract. Rather, it's just a joke, and he will not be held accountable for non-compliance with these conditions. Therefore, I am not sure that we can consider such cases as Gambling.
Nevertheless, such cases awaken excitement in a person, which is harmless at first. But then it can turn into actions. In bets with money or cryptocurrencies.
And this is a real gambling.

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Quote from: John Abraham on June 07, 2023, 12:20:56 AM

~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern of how gambling works.

Let's say no pain no gain because money is the pain and the risk you take to be able to win something and even though you play on a demo account you won't have any winning and at that, it will amount to nothing because you did not stake any real amount, so it becomes boring to keep playing, but on the other hand staking with real money bring in the excitement to keep playing since the winning will become the motivation to keep the game on.

A trader can learn good trading by using demo account. But never get a taste of gambling using this demo account. Gambling doesn't take long to learn. Neither the cost of losing nor the joy of winning is reflected when a gambler conducts betting on a demo account. Unless the gambler panics between winning and losing, it cannot be considered gambling. Because according to the basic rules of gambling there must be an element of loss and gain through money or anything else.

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Suppose you are not risking anything. I don't think it can be considered as gambling. Gambling is where you bet, and you risk something. No matter what is the odd. Even if it's 1.01, still it's a gambling. But, When you do not risk anything. It's not gambling, in my opinion. Others might have a different view. I would like to hear why they consider it gambling, as you are not risking anything. I think It's more like a contest where you can participate for free, and there is a prize poll if you win. But, you are not losing anything if your prediction is wrong.

There might be some exceptions as well. Often we win free bets from games and round. In this case, we are not risking anything yet we can win if our team wins. What it should be consider as? Is it gambling? I saw yahoo62278 also said "If you are not wagering any money or reputation, then you are not gambling". I would love to hear from him what is he think about it. Do you consider a free bet as wagering money?

What you're asking gets to the heart of what we mean when we say 'gaming.' Typically, gamblers stake monetary or material stakes on the results of games with an arbitrary house edge. Is it still gambling if there is no monetary stake or other material risk?

The answer, in my opinion, depends on how risk is classified. It could appear that there is no risk if no money is at stake. But let's think about the 'time' factor. Time, which is perhaps our most valuable resource, is invested even in free games or rounds. When viewed in this light, it does have some similarities to gambling.

Free wagers could be viewed as a form of conditional wagering in which the opportunity cost is a potential loss. Even if there is no outlay of cash, an activity could still be considered gambling if the stakes are high enough. Indeed, the way we define "risk" and "wager" affects the complexity of this issue.

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If by "other" you are referring to another human gambler, then you need to know that the concept of you winning and others losing only comes when there is a multiplayer game being played and you are not against the house only, because in most gambling games, you are up against the house and in that case, it is only you who either win or lose and mostly you lose because of the house edge.

Luck is obviously the only element that you need in gambling to succeed, otherwise, no matter how much money you carry with you when entering a casino, you will come out empty handed if you don't have luck on your side.

Agree with what you said. Luck is a determining factor so that we can win; without luck, we will not be able to win. We're up against the casino, and the chances of winning probably won't be as big as the chances of losing. So we must eliminate that desire to win instead of just thinking about enjoying gambling moments.

And if we choose to use a demo game, it means we are not gambling even though we are clearly gambling Grin

Using a demo account is simply wasting your time, only new gamblers try demo accounts only to learn how different games work or old players use demo modes in games they are about to play for the first time just to see how the game looks like, the graphics, outcomes, etc. A regular gambler will barely spend any time using a demo account only so that he doesn't gamble much because your urge doesn't get fulfilled with free money.

And it is almost impossible to eliminate the desire to win when you are gambling, it's just a general instinct that when you gamble or decide to gamble, you have this in your mind already that you might manage to win something big. But, what matters is that you don't let that feeling capture all your mind and make you gamble more and more so that you become addicted.

I don't think so either because you don't need to use your money; if you lose, you won't lose any money. And that can keep you safe in playing gambling but also trigger you to try using real money because playing with a demo account might be less challenging for some people.

And when you can win some money, you will think that if it were real money, you would feel very happy. Therein lies the temptation of gambling, so you must think again about not trying to gamble, especially if you don't have good self-control.

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Suppose you are not risking anything. I don't think it can be considered as gambling. Gambling is where you bet, and you risk something. No matter what is the odd. Even if it's 1.01, still it's a gambling. But, When you do not risk anything. It's not gambling, in my opinion. Others might have a different view. I would like to hear why they consider it gambling, as you are not risking anything. I think It's more like a contest where you can participate for free, and there is a prize poll if you win. But, you are not losing anything if your prediction is wrong.

There might be some exceptions as well. Often we win free bets from games and round. In this case, we are not risking anything yet we can win if our team wins. What it should be consider as? Is it gambling? I saw yahoo62278 also said "If you are not wagering any money or reputation, then you are not gambling". I would love to hear from him what is he think about it. Do you consider a free bet as wagering money?

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That doesn't look like its a free gambling, I mean thinking about it there's no way you could gamble and will without a wager and do it every time maybe it was just for promotion to get a lot of traffic on the website. I mean it might just be a promotion since it could easily encourage a lot of people to play more and gamble more.

For me gambling includes money or something that has value, you can't really be called it gambling if you don't bet anything valuable then it will be just for fun or past time since it doesn't really matter if you win or lose you will lose or get nothing at the end of the day. It all suddenly becomes different when it already includes a bet or something, when playing a game you play for fun is just for bonding but with a bet included your gonna need to be serious since you're going to lose money, suddenly you just needed to win.

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Quote from: maydna on June 05, 2023, 12:57:08 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on May 31, 2023, 08:08:20 AM

If by "other" you are referring to another human gambler, then you need to know that the concept of you winning and others losing only comes when there is a multiplayer game being played and you are not against the house only, because in most gambling games, you are up against the house and in that case, it is only you who either win or lose and mostly you lose because of the house edge.

Luck is obviously the only element that you need in gambling to succeed, otherwise, no matter how much money you carry with you when entering a casino, you will come out empty handed if you don't have luck on your side.

Agree with what you said. Luck is a determining factor so that we can win; without luck, we will not be able to win. We're up against the casino, and the chances of winning probably won't be as big as the chances of losing. So we must eliminate that desire to win instead of just thinking about enjoying gambling moments.

And if we choose to use a demo game, it means we are not gambling even though we are clearly gambling Grin

Using a demo account is simply wasting your time, only new gamblers try demo accounts only to learn how different games work or old players use demo modes in games they are about to play for the first time just to see how the game looks like, the graphics, outcomes, etc. A regular gambler will barely spend any time using a demo account only so that he doesn't gamble much because your urge doesn't get fulfilled with free money.

And it is almost impossible to eliminate the desire to win when you are gambling, it's just a general instinct that when you gamble or decide to gamble, you have this in your mind already that you might manage to win something big. But, what matters is that you don't let that feeling capture all your mind and make you gamble more and more so that you become addicted.

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Quote from: summonerrk on May 29, 2023, 06:50:45 AM

I agree, because the word Risk is embedded in the very concept of gambling. That is, one of two or more partners risks something when he makes a kind of deal with another participant.

Until now, I still agree that only money or other valuable assets can be wagered as a risk in gambling. Therefore, it seems more logical to state that anyone who doesn't have money or other valuable items to stake, even if they stand to win a prize, is not engaging in gambling.

However, there is an intriguing perspective when we look at it from a different angle, which I often encounter within my circle of friends. Yep, gambling can also refer to the act of risking something uncertain against something else. It's worth noting that not all wealth comes in the form of money but can also be in the form of agreements.

Have you ever heard a friend making a simple bet during the final match of the 2022 World Cup and saying something like this to the owner of a small restaurant: "If Portugal wins the final match, I will clean this place for a week. But if Argentina wins, I request free meals at this place for a week."

Yes, those were words laced with laughter, but we, as men, never go back on our word. And in my opinion, that can be considered a form of gambling. Right? But, no money here.

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same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

The majority of people never use the casino in its demo version, it is uncurrent, when you enter a casino the adrenaline does everything, it is known that if it earns with fictional money it is something disappointing, I have had very little with the demo versions,But it is not what we are looking for, because what we are looking for is more fun and we always want the best and if it is to win at once it is much better, because the emotion is also in retreat and that everything flows in the best way, without However, I think that demo versions is for us to realize the risk we are taking when we have little money and risk it will always be difficult.

When it comes to gambling affairs, then money has to be involved because that's the money means to why we call it gambling, let's put it like this that gambling is not complete until we use money to make a bet in it, only the lottery which is synonymous to gambling requires no money before you can partake, then the other example is in the case of those that uses gambling demo videosz games to learn and practice about gambling before they are into gambling fully, this is often common with newbie who are yet to get familiar with gambling experience.

It's like that , what happens is that when you watch games and don't bet , it's like going to play play station, that you can play with your children, and there is nothing but a very healthy competition, and yes, there is emotion, but in the games of chance, things are at a Different price and you can see that when you bet it is something else, emotions come to the fore, the game can become fierce to continue betting and betting, having a lot of money at stake to play, win or Losing things begins to be seen in a different way , even if the game is boring, when there is money Involved , things Change , unless the players who have played on the street say so.

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Quote from: Newlifebtc on May 29, 2023, 04:25:37 PM

~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.

The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

People really choose the kind of gambling that won't because actually what they needed is to make a profit why some people follow the step of other people to play gambling because in their mind said they think that they are malisis of those people will come to pass or we'll make them to me the gambling so there is different way people operate in gambling some people strategies is based on other person quotation or other person's prediction

It is true that everyone of us want to make money in gambling but sometimes it can be difficult for us to make money since the market is very competitive and you making profits always might not be possible. Gambling is a game of luck and it will always work for those people that have the luck to make them keep winning. If you don't always win in gaming and gambling, you need to look for a way to mix with people that do have consistent winning maybe you could win also.

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