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In my opinion, I would still call it gambling since you are in gambling industry and you wanted to get the desired result. A gambling is when you want to get the desired result, taking risk of earning money by spending money. I don't believe that there is a free bet as you may have known that not all what you do is free that's why they are paying you to do the job. You can say it like it's an online job where you give predictions and they will pay for it.
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Somehow, yes i'd say it still falls under gambling since helps you improve your predicting skills which is what you'll need when you start gambling, and that could even possibly encourage or trigger you to gamble with money in the future.

I've seen a similar promotion done by other sportsbooks as well so that made it easier for me to include it as gambling.

It involves gambling but it's not as risky as wagering and staking but it still has to do with your whole gambling journey. You're just being rewarded through predictions but you wouldn't be needing to risk your funds so it isn't totally gambling but just contributing and participating in their event. However, it's the site's way to attract more players because it will trigger curiosity and interest in gamblers.
Not too risky? as ralle14 said that it is risky to trigger people to try betting using real money when predicting with free money the results are always right and that person realizes that he has the potential to bet with his own money and get big results.
Like the first time I gambled because I played poker gambling in an application using free money and finally I was triggered to try gambling using my own money.
But that's just my own opinion.
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
As far as I know in the world of gambling there are no free betting sites and if users win they can bring money, they are given free money, that's all nonsense, one of which is what the superpicks.com site does.

There is evidence of the site superpicks.com talking nonsense.
Example: SuperPicks.com
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za is a modern day scam play for free win for real but they dont pay for real i won 30k last year even today i recieved nothing many more people from a tournament they hosted last year didnt get paid now their agents are ignoring us via email

Just a waste of time placing a bet on superpicks.com site they are really bad at gambling.
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
In my opinion, these are called Games which are played a lot to fill your spare time, because gambling usually is playing with your real money. But, we must look at it carefully, what purpose they made this, and what did they benefit?, If they can't make benefit from the website, Of course, they will lose and waste money. And, most likely inducement, if the player begins to addictive they won't play free anymore, and maybe the user will try to deposit as much as they can.
Gambling doesn't have everything to do with money, you should look into the real meaning of gambling before you drop a point.

Gambling is a dangerous action undertaken with the hope of success, that's the definition of gambling, if you are aiming for a possible outcome tomorrow and you aren't sure about it, this is gambling.

If you are a company owner and you are looking to hire someone, but you don't know how good this person is even after showing their worth to you, you are simply gambling.

Using money or not using money, gamble is still a gamble.
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Somehow, yes i'd say it still falls under gambling since helps you improve your predicting skills which is what you'll need when you start gambling, and that could even possibly encourage or trigger you to gamble with money in the future.

I've seen a similar promotion done by other sportsbooks as well so that made it easier for me to include it as gambling.

It involves gambling but it's not as risky as wagering and staking but it still has to do with your whole gambling journey. You're just being rewarded through predictions but you wouldn't be needing to risk your funds so it isn't totally gambling but just contributing and participating in their event. However, it's the site's way to attract more players because it will trigger curiosity and interest in gamblers.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You can’t properly tell it or term it as “Gambling”, as in gambling, you have to take risk and bet with your own money. In gambling there are equal possibilities to win as well as lose and that too money that is in risk. But here as you are saying, you can pick a bet for free or make predictions for free and then can win money. This can be said as contest, or basic lottery or raffle without entry fees. I haven’t personally tested the site, so don’t know what their motive of giving away free money. Willing to hear other people’s opinion on this.
Me too has never heard the site before, not until today and might be researching on it later. Well, maybe what the site’s offer is not really gambling, it’s more like just a guessing game and you make rewards after you guess it right. While in gambling, it always involves money wagering, since you have to bet and wager minimum amount and expect a win or lose in the end. Anything that does not involves with money may not be considered gambling in the first place.
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Somehow, yes i'd say it still falls under gambling since helps you improve your predicting skills which is what you'll need when you start gambling, and that could even possibly encourage or trigger you to gamble with money in the future.

I've seen a similar promotion done by other sportsbooks as well so that made it easier for me to include it as gambling.
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In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.
For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.
Absolutely right there will be profit and loss for gambling but if you control everything properly it is easy to win at the casino. We believe that online casinos are the best option you can win or lose based on how much you bet. Also before trying to win at free online casinos it's essential to do your research so you know what you're getting into.
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It's gambling, that superpicks on DSTV might just be using the free access platform to lure people or maybe attract gambling customers, then when they might have gotten qualify and qualified customers already, they will locked the platform in a way where it can only the accessed with money, and you will start seeing people using money for access to the platform as stake..

Not because it is host in a gambling platform it is considered gambling on the players part.  As long as there is no need to stake any amount of money it can't be considered gambling even if the host is a casino or a gambling platform.

Mind to think about the question of @OP, sure he presents a gambling site but the player don't need to wager anything to join the prediction game and possibly win a prize.


It's all gambling in every sense, despite you don't use money in playing it or staking it, you just have to predict only. But I suspect there's a stage you get to that you have to access with a sum of money. And it's fun anyway but it's still gambling.

Can you tell me in what sense it is called gambling?  It is very clear that for a game to be considered a gambling, a person need to put a stake or bet money.  The one stated by @OP doesn't need to wager any amount of money to participate and get a chance to win a prize.  You can call it a prediction game but never a gambling because it does not requires a player to stake something of worth in order to participate ang get a chance to win a prize.

If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.

That is what I am talking about, if it does not involve a player to bet any amount of money or something that will cost him, it is not gambling.  But still lots of us here thinks that it is gambling simply because it is hosted in a gambling platform.
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If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.
I don't think it's require KYC to participate it, but usually they will KYC when the winner want to withdraw his winning, so the winner has no choice either he didn't win anything or he will protect his KYC. Most of the cases when someone win a free money, they will submit their KYC because they're only care about Bitcoin.

Giving your KYC to a centralized site always carry a risk, but at least anyone shouldn't submit their KYC to a proven scam casino. Tongue
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If there is something that you will take risk then you can consider it as gambling, it doesn't that it's because it doesn't involve money then it is not gambling already. Some gambling sites requirements in participating in their promotion like this involve KYC which is much riskier than money as they can either sell it or use it to do illegal activities, well if it doesn't need anything and all you just need to do is predict then that's really a good one.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
From what I understand after clicking the site, it seems the superkick is a kind of prediction show where football lovers have to picks a compulsory number of games to be played for the day in the day particularly EPL games, and make predictions on possible outcome of the games and should your predictions play out, you're expected to win a certain attractive sum of money.

It's all gambling in every sense, despite you don't use money in playing it or staking it, you just have to predict only. But I suspect there's a stage you get to that you have to access with a sum of money. And it's fun anyway but it's still gambling.
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It's gambling, that superpicks on DSTV might just be using the free access platform to lure people or maybe attract gambling customers, then when they might have gotten qualify and qualified customers already, they will locked the platform in a way where it can only the accessed with money, and you will start seeing people using money for access to the platform as stake..
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

That is probably up to your subjective perception, but when you refer to mathematical terminology, I would probably use the expected value definition (EV) for me personally to decide whether it is gambling or not. Usually one understands gambling as an investment X being put onto an outcome with the odds of Y, resulting in an "EV_RANGE" of [-X, X*Y]. That is the example for a single sports bet, but if you are not putting anything down that you actually risk to lose, it is not really gambling for me. But again, this is subjective. Someone could of course say that as soon as you can win something by rolling the dice, you are gambling even if you didn't even have to make an upfront investment of some kind. Like anything can count. Someone could say that you roll the dice and the loser has to do 20 push-ups, that is still a form of investment. But if there is really nothing that makes you have any skin in the game, it is not gambling for me.
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In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.
For me, the only reason why you call it gambling is because you are gambling an amount that you may lose or win in the end. If there’s no money waiting as a reward, or any thing that has a value, I don’t think it can be considered gambling. Though we may say everything we do that is uncertain can be called gambling, but gambling in casinos is a different thing, it comes with rewards or losses in the end.
When money involved it turns to be real gambling. When we play without money, then it turns to be a game same as that we play on our smartphone. When we play with money we have different experience and when we play without money we have fun moment as our mind will be free to play as the outcome doesn't affect us in any means.

It is like watching a sport like the NBA: if you just watch it for fun, then it is not that exciting, but if it involves gambling, like betting on the team, then every quarter you get excited, nervous, and mixed emotions. Also, it is not just money but also stuff like betting on your car or motorcycle. As long as there is something in exchange, that is gambling, but if there is no money or stuff involved, I think it is just a normal game, and just the words of both of you and your opponent are that reward.
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Money or something of value needs to be risked in return for a potential gain in order for it to be classified gambling. Making picks for free and potentially earning money for doing so is more of a free competition or a sweep-stake than it is gambling. If anything is being wagered in this kind of platform or game it would be your time, which is as valuable as you personally classify it.
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
In my opinion, these are called Games which are played a lot to fill your spare time, because gambling usually is playing with your real money. But, we must look at it carefully, what purpose they made this, and what did they benefit?, If they can't make benefit from the website, Of course, they will lose and waste money. And, most likely inducement, if the player begins to addictive they won't play free anymore, and maybe the user will try to deposit as much as they can.
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no its not and will never qualify as gamble , unless you put some money inside to bet in then that is different situation .
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out.-snip-

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
Nah, that's not gambling (didn't check the link though. If it is a gambling site, probably just a way to lure/attract users to their site). I'd say that if you're not wagering any money, it doesn't really qualify as "gambling". The main characteristic of gambling is risking something of value (usually money) for a chance to win something big. If you're just making predictions without without using any money, then the risk element isn't really there, so you aren't gambling anything. If you lose the prediction, you don't lose anything.
Superpick sounds like game where if you predict something right, you win something as a reward/prize. Its not a gambling site.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You can’t properly tell it or term it as “Gambling”, as in gambling, you have to take risk and bet with your own money. In gambling there are equal possibilities to win as well as lose and that too money that is in risk. But here as you are saying, you can pick a bet for free or make predictions for free and then can win money. This can be said as contest, or basic lottery or raffle without entry fees. I haven’t personally tested the site, so don’t know what their motive of giving away free money. Willing to hear other people’s opinion on this.
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