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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 13, 2021, 08:51:22 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 13, 2021, 05:11:36 AM

Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.

I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the ~~delta variant~~ dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 13, 2021, 05:11:36 AM

Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 12, 2021, 05:49:38 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on August 12, 2021, 05:34:55 AM

This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.

Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

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Quote from: BlackFor3st on August 11, 2021, 06:17:54 AM

That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.

lol this is a bribe to make people try their luck but you as human who believes that Vaccine is risk to your life , would you still try that lottery even if you think that can be your death will be the next?

we know what our capacity and care about our life , and having this bribe just to have that vaccine luring small people than interested.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on August 12, 2021, 02:47:41 AM

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People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
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The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.

I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.

If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 12, 2021, 05:34:55 AM

This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 10:11:36 PM

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Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

Even in India, the Sputnik V vaccine program is getting delayed because the second component is not available. But I heard that the issue was resolved in Argentina. A local manufacturer started distributing second component doses from this month onwards.

https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202108/564683-distribuyen-en-todo-el-pais-mas-de-600-mil-dosis-del-componente-2-de-sputnik-v.html

According to the above source, 600k doses of the second component has been distributed, while another 2.4 million will be distributed by the end of this month. Argentina has so far administered 12,468,830 doses of Sputnik V (highest number after Russia). There were some protests there as a result of the delays. But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

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Quote from: traderethereum on August 12, 2021, 12:23:09 AM

People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
-snip-
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.

I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 10:11:36 PM

But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

Not sure the reason they don't have Pfizer or moderna but the tension between China,

Is most probably the reason they don't want to take their vaccines, not even those thousands of lives being taken by covid from India they still seek for other options/helps and here comes Sputnik V where same with moderna and Pfizer this vaccine is also being recognized being more effective battling with the variant. The main goal remains to get vaccinated to higher the chance of survival, so from Poland's way, with the help of Pfizer, they are providing incentives in terms of lottery.

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Quote from: BlackFor3st on August 11, 2021, 06:17:54 AM

That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.

People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
If they do not think about their feelings, they will want to go to the health centre and be vaccinated.
It could attract their attention because of the prizes from the lottery but we know that some people can think about human rights about getting vaccinated or do not want to vaccinate.
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 11, 2021, 04:44:28 AM

Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

Even in India, the Sputnik V vaccine program is getting delayed because the second component is not available. But I heard that the issue was resolved in Argentina. A local manufacturer started distributing second component doses from this month onwards.

https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202108/564683-distribuyen-en-todo-el-pais-mas-de-600-mil-dosis-del-componente-2-de-sputnik-v.html

According to the above source, 600k doses of the second component has been distributed, while another 2.4 million will be distributed by the end of this month. Argentina has so far administered 12,468,830 doses of Sputnik V (highest number after Russia). There were some protests there as a result of the delays. But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

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That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 11, 2021, 01:23:14 AM

Quote from: Xinarae* on August 11, 2021, 12:46:40 AM

Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.

The current vaccines don't prevent the infection from happening, it just make the symptoms mild and the survival from contracting the virus increases when you're vaccinated plus you can protect other people through herd immunity when you're part of the vaccinated population.

It gives those vaccinated person to have a better chance in surviving but even you've got vaccinated it's not a guarantee

that this new variant won't hit you, survival rate increase that's the good news and that's the reason most government wanted their
citizens to have this to increase the survival of every people who've got hit by this new delta variant, still need to follow safety protocols
it will continue to lessen the spread of this virus.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 09, 2021, 12:28:07 PM

Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!

I will call it negligence on the part of the government who did not allow enough time for the people to get vaccinated and put restrictions. This made people panic and they decided to rush to the vaccination centres and then of course there is a risk of getting covid when a lot of people around together without following any extra sops.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 10, 2021, 10:00:25 PM

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The vaccination campaign in Russia is gaining more and more opponents, not only for historical reasons, but also because people here and there see the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Yesterday I was at work after almost a week's absence and found that 5 of my colleagues were sick. 2 of them were vaccinated, two were not, and another was vaccinated and a day after vaccination he felt bad (apparently the vaccine hit the already weakened immunity, since apparently he was already sick when he did it). And such cases are found in different circles of different acquaintances, from the outside it looks like the Russian vaccine does nothing against infection, plus it can provoke a severe course of the disease.
By the way, we have another person at work who has already recovered, but his story is as follows: he had a mild illness once, after which he was vaccinated and a couple of months later fell ill again, but this time in a severe form.

Well... this is strange. If the Sputnik V vaccine is no inefficient, then how can 70+ countries approve it? Even here in India, a lot of people have been vaccinated with Sputnik V. Actually here it is considered as the most effective vaccine (compared to the two local vaccines - Covishield/Covaxin). Also, in countries like Argentina (which has administered the largest number of doses outside Russia), real time studies have shown effectiveness of >90%, and reports suggest that people there prefer the Russian vaccine over Sinopharm/Sinovac.

Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

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Quote from: Xinarae* on August 11, 2021, 12:46:40 AM

Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.

People believed that once the vaccines exist, we'll all go back to normal but I guess that will be hard to happen right now especially now that the delta variant has reached lots of countries. Some vaccines aren't strong enough to fight against the Delta variant so in our country, we're all put on lockdown again. I don't think being vaccinated is the only answer this time.

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Quote from: Xinarae* on August 11, 2021, 12:46:40 AM

Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.

The current vaccines don't prevent the infection from happening, it just make the symptoms mild and the survival from contracting the virus increases when you're vaccinated plus you can protect other people through herd immunity when you're part of the vaccinated population.

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Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.

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Quote from: KTChampions on August 10, 2021, 03:43:25 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2021, 10:00:24 PM

In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.

The vaccination campaign in Russia is gaining more and more opponents, not only for historical reasons, but also because people here and there see the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Yesterday I was at work after almost a week's absence and found that 5 of my colleagues were sick. 2 of them were vaccinated, two were not, and another was vaccinated and a day after vaccination he felt bad (apparently the vaccine hit the already weakened immunity, since apparently he was already sick when he did it). And such cases are found in different circles of different acquaintances, from the outside it looks like the Russian vaccine does nothing against infection, plus it can provoke a severe course of the disease.
By the way, we have another person at work who has already recovered, but his story is as follows: he had a mild illness once, after which he was vaccinated and a couple of months later fell ill again, but this time in a severe form.

Well... this is strange. If the Sputnik V vaccine is no inefficient, then how can 70+ countries approve it? Even here in India, a lot of people have been vaccinated with Sputnik V. Actually here it is considered as the most effective vaccine (compared to the two local vaccines - Covishield/Covaxin). Also, in countries like Argentina (which has administered the largest number of doses outside Russia), real time studies have shown effectiveness of >90%, and reports suggest that people there prefer the Russian vaccine over Sinopharm/Sinovac.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 09, 2021, 10:00:24 PM

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Hopefully, people who live in a country that does not use prize money can be aware of the importance of the vaccine that can get more protection against the virus. If those people in Poland realize that, they should go to the hospital or a place that will be the health centre to get vaccinated and not because of the prize money.

The Delta variant is really hitting many countries now and the spread is fast than the previous variant. It is why the government asked their people to be vaccinated, which is expected to reduce the spread of the virus. If their people listen to the suggestion from the government, they will visit the health centre and get the injection of the vaccine and with the help of consuming the healthy food and always clean, that will help them prevent the virus.

In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.

I am sure that some people do not want to vaccinate because they think that the vaccine and the virus are designed by some groups that do not want to see the world is in peace. They want to create a massacre in many countries and spreads the fear and die to all countries. And now that is what we see in many countries.

Hopefully, people from Poland can choose with the right of what they will do and do not think much about the virus because the vaccine helps them survive in this pandemic. But the vaccine will not works without having a healthy life.

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