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Quote from: shield132 on July 20, 2021, 05:44:13 PM

As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?

They are all the same they have undergone clinical studies and have passed regulatory and testing I have been vaccinated by China's vaccine and although I was lucky to have a choice of other vaccines then if I only wait, I got the vaccine that is available, people should not be picky if there are available just go for it, especially if you are living in a third world country like me, the most important is you get vaccinated.

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Quote from: fiulpro on July 03, 2021, 01:39:52 PM

Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :

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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.

Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery

It seems like the main reward for getting vaccinated should be the great protection it offers you against dying - we've seen in heavily vaccinated countries that hospitalization rates for vaccinated people are way lower compared to the beginning of the pandemic, along with a large cut in the death rate. However anything that can get people who are undecided or ambivalent towards it should be praised. There seem like far too many countries where disinformation has been allowed to spread unchecked and who will ultimately suffer much worse, along with prolonging this devastating disease which has had a cure produced in an exceptionally fast time.

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Quote from: Naficopa on July 22, 2021, 12:17:34 PM

The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

Nice thinking KTCchampions! But knowing governments, they will probably try to hide that! In my opinion, the entire pandemic situation is fraudulent and immoral... especially now when they are trying to "buy" people to get that vaccine! As I said before, the next step will be forcing people to take it... it will be mandatory!

Meanwhile, directors in pharmaceutical companies are buying crazy houses worth millions of dollars... that industry is fucking us all, they are making so much money we can't even imagine! And looks like they will have a guaranteed profit for the next years!

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Quote from: Naficopa on July 22, 2021, 12:17:34 PM

The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

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Quote from: Naficopa on July 22, 2021, 12:17:34 PM

Quote from: hahay on July 20, 2021, 09:41:24 PM

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The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

research on Pfizer's impact on the human body is still not finished so it's not good to speculate. here we are all vaccinated with moderna, besides pfizer, moderna also got some issues about the bad impact on humans. The Polish government is really creative in campaigning for vaccinations, i hope my government does the same "lol" ^{(give citizens who are willing to be vaccinated a lottery)}

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Quote from: hahay on July 20, 2021, 09:41:24 PM

I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right?
So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.

The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 20, 2021, 02:29:30 PM

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 19, 2021, 02:59:32 PM

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.

I agree, as much as I would like for everyone to receive the vaccine at the end of the day every single person needs to decide on their own if they want to get it, after all it is their body and they can decide what they want to do with it, what governments need to do is not to force people but to address the fears that people have over getting the vaccine, like those wild conspiracy theories and the fear they could die because of the vaccine.

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I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right?
So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on July 20, 2021, 04:02:29 AM

Quote from: Shasha80 on July 19, 2021, 09:17:19 PM

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.

Health protocols must be strictly enforced and violators should be given sanctions. so those who will queue to get the vaccine can be orderly.
It is also possible for the Polish government to limit the number of people who will be vaccinated, and also vaccine injection can be in several
places to avoid crowds. One more important thing there must be strict supervision from the Polish government for the authenticity of the vaccine
to be given to the population, because in my country there are those who replace injectable vaccines with other fluids, because the price of
vaccines is now quite expensive, so be a good business.

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They say that Vaccination is mandatory but at the same time do everything to push you to vaccinate. It's not right, isn't it discrimination when the taxes are collected from everyone and you only make free lottery for those who vaccinate? It's not really fair. Now some countries push the society to vaccinate by pushing business/companies to do everything to make work impossible for unvaccinated people. What a shame!

Quote from: coupable on July 03, 2021, 02:56:17 PM

- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?

As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 20, 2021, 03:16:50 PM

Quote from: Quidat on July 20, 2021, 02:59:17 PM

Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.

If they werent serious then they wont really mind on taking actions or showing of some concerns on how they would treat out their citizens and also its also a privileged for those

people who do get a chance on getting a ticket after doing a thing which is really also protecting their lives and thinking or seeing the whole picture then its really a win-win situation for the citizen.

They are really just too paranoid when it comes to side effects as if they are minding that much off that those things will kill them.

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Quote from: Quidat on July 20, 2021, 02:59:17 PM

Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 20, 2021, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 06:41:45 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on July 19, 2021, 02:59:32 PM

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.

Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 06:41:45 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on July 19, 2021, 02:59:32 PM

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 20, 2021, 01:43:21 AM

I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.

Somewhere I read that there were around 30 million excess deaths (over births) among the native Russian population, during the three decades after 1992. Overall, there is no decrease in the total population, because almost 30 million foreigners have migrated to Russia during the same period (half of them being ethnic Russians and the other half being Central Asian).

One of the reasons why the Poland government is going ahead with this is because counterfeit copies of the Pfizer vaccine has been seized in that country. Therefore a lot of people are hesitant in taking the vaccine. Details here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56844149

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Quote from: Rruchi man on July 19, 2021, 10:30:42 AM

This is a typical example of positive reinforcement. The addition of a desirable or pleasant stimulus after a behavior. The desirable stimulus reinforces the behavior, making it more likely that the behavior will reoccur. You get vaccinated, there's a high chance of getting rewarded, in this case monetary and material reward. Who wouldn't love that. So, If the next fellow sees that his friend is getting a PLN200, PLN500 or a motor vehicle for getting vaccinated, he goes to get the vaccine as well. Smart right?

The question I have to ask is why Pfizer 🤔

Probably some executive in Pfizer is a friend of the executive in the lottery in Poland so that's one of the many speculative reason or probably because of the data that Pfizer had on it's effectivity that they were chosen. I think that this positive reinforcement is a good one because it helps with the bolstering the number of people getting vaccinated.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on July 19, 2021, 09:17:19 PM

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 19, 2021, 11:04:40 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 19, 2021, 07:37:17 AM

Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.

Once I used to admire Putin. But the more I hear about him, I realize that all that I heard earlier was just propaganda. Conservatives admire him, because they believe that he is against immigration and he cares about the native Russian people. But it took me two decades to realize that Putin's main support base consists of immigrants from Central Asia and Azerbaijan. And the final nail in the coffin was his behavior during the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, when he allowed the Azeris to conquer historical Armenian land. But it is sad that so many people are dying of COVID, despite the availability of vaccine. Perhaps it is OK to take the vaccine now, since the efficacy has been proven.

I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.

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That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.

Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.

It is a smart way to attract people who are willing to be injected with the vaccine and with difficulty searching for the money, which can open their eyes that the lottery can help them survive after vaccination. If all vaccinated people can get the incentive, that will really help them and people will not feel jealous of the winner because they will get the incentive.

Suppose the other countries can see that this can give awareness to their people about the importance of the vaccine while getting the money after the vaccinated. In that case, the number of people who want to get vaccinated will increase. Once the government sees the increases in the number of people who get inject, hopefully, that can prevent the virus transmission among them.

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 19, 2021, 02:59:32 PM

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

I don't find a country that is mandating their people to have a vaccine shot. Or if any, maybe the situation is really worst and can't be controlled. That's why we can see lots of offered perks and benefits for those who will undergo a vaccine shot.

If that is mandated then there's no need for perks to encourage people because even they don't want to be vaccinated or not, they have no choice but to follow the law. I'm really confused so I will wait for your response.

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