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Quote from: Peanutswar on August 06, 2021, 11:17:47 PM

Due to having become more, expose to the virus there's a chance that the virus got mutation and adopt the environment on it but today right now they are trying to have a rule of having a mandatory vaccine to the people and they don't have any kind of proof they will not have any rights to go outside and went to different establishments today. But due to having this mandatory, there's a problem they are now having a shortage in vaccine supplies. I think they will must focus on vaccines first before opening an establishments.

In my country, they haven't yet made it mandatory, because vaccines are not available in enough doses. But here many of the completely vaccinated people are testing positive for the virus, and in some cases hospitalization is also required. The vaccine used here is mostly AstraZeneca and that may be a reason for this. Trails have shown that AstraZeneca is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Sputnik V was approved many months ago, but the government is creating so many obstacles to import the doses and therefore it is not available in most of the states.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on August 06, 2021, 12:39:14 AM

any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.

Many people were declared winners because there were several rewards. The total amount including cash and prizes were about 4,79 million euros. Some people were rewarded in cash, while others won electric scooters and toyota corolla cars. About 2,8 million of people participated the lottery and every 500th and 2000th participant were instantly rewarded with cash rewards.

Found these informations here: Over 2.8 million people register for Polish vaccine lottery

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 06, 2021, 11:11:04 PM

Quote from: virasog on August 06, 2021, 01:37:39 AM

No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.

I wouldn't prefer anyone taking more than two doses of the vaccine, because globally we are facing a severe shortage of the vaccines. And the delta strain is now spreading even to developed nations, because they had hoarded all the vaccine stocks in the initial stages and the mutated strains appeared in developing nations where most of the population remained unvaccinated. It doesn't matter whether there are side effects or not. At this moment, it is not ethical to take more than two doses. Those who want can do that, once the pandemic is contained.

Due to having become more, expose to the virus there's a chance that the virus got mutation and adopt the environment on it but today right now they are trying to have a rule of having a mandatory vaccine to the people and they don't have any kind of proof they will not have any rights to go outside and went to different establishments today. But due to having this mandatory, there's a problem they are now having a shortage in vaccine supplies. I think they will must focus on vaccines first before opening an establishments.

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Quote from: virasog on August 06, 2021, 01:37:39 AM

No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.

I wouldn't prefer anyone taking more than two doses of the vaccine, because globally we are facing a severe shortage of the vaccines. And the delta strain is now spreading even to developed nations, because they had hoarded all the vaccine stocks in the initial stages and the mutated strains appeared in developing nations where most of the population remained unvaccinated. It doesn't matter whether there are side effects or not. At this moment, it is not ethical to take more than two doses. Those who want can do that, once the pandemic is contained.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 27, 2021, 02:01:20 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 27, 2021, 12:40:43 PM

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.

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any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 28, 2021, 12:02:34 PM

This is the posture that we need to take, those that were fortunate to receive the vaccine already got too confident and the same was true for governments for allowing them to do their regular activities without taking precautions, now a third wave, or whatever number of wave we are in, is going on with more resistant and dangerous strains, we still need to take care of ourselves even if you have received the vaccine already as the pandemic is far from over.

Today, I am too desperate to get vaccinated whatever the brand of the vaccine available for me because of the surge of another variant of virus that circulating around in my country especially I am located in a city area where there's a lot of people and it frighten me, worrying my own health and also worrying about our family since I'm always out of the house for a job. But if I could only choose which vaccine that I would like to get a dose with Pfizer is my first option however being lived in a third world country I think it seems I don't have any other choice than receive which brand is available.

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Quote from: Fredomago on July 26, 2021, 12:04:15 PM

It gives cnfidence but with the new variant it's still better to continue following the safety protocols. I see your point though and with this vaccines it helps improving your immune system to protect you much better than those who haven't got the shots.

Poland government is doing their best to help their people not to make things more complicated, while giving them also a chance to win
good amount of money from the vaccine's maker.

This is the posture that we need to take, those that were fortunate to receive the vaccine already got too confident and the same was true for governments for allowing them to do their regular activities without taking precautions, now a third wave, or whatever number of wave we are in, is going on with more resistant and dangerous strains, we still need to take care of ourselves even if you have received the vaccine already as the pandemic is far from over.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on July 27, 2021, 02:01:20 PM

Quote from: snipie on July 27, 2021, 12:40:43 PM

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

They can not impersonate their family members with their ID because the government will prevent it by re-registering before people get vaccinated. It can break the law and maybe they will get in jail for some time or pay the fine because of doing that. I am lucky not to get any bad effects after being vaccinated. I get Pfizer too, but I feel only sleepy for two days and after that, I do not get any effect. But the effect will be different from the other people because I have friends and other family members who get different effects although they get Pfizer.

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Quote from: snipie on July 27, 2021, 12:40:43 PM

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

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Quote from: rodskee on July 26, 2021, 09:09:10 PM

Quote from: blockman on July 26, 2021, 04:40:16 PM

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.

With the first sentence, you've said, there's already a conflict. As you said, it's going to help you avoid severe hospitalization if you ever catch the virus again. And it's about your protection when you get vaccinated, who cares about the nonvaccinated ones? if they do not get their own doses, they're the ones that are putting their lives on the line so it's their problem not the problem of those who are already vaccinated. And in the last sentence you've said, it's about immunity and it is why everyone has to be vaccinated which what you have said is really conflicting and contradicting.

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Quote from: snipie on July 27, 2021, 12:40:43 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2021, 08:47:48 PM

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery? I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened. I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want. Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

I like the idea since it's reality that there is gambling addicted people who will see this as an opportunities to have a much wider chance winning the lottery, sad to say that people out of greed for money can harmed themselves and very much willing to gamble with this kind of opportunities.

We don't know though if how Poland government handle this in terms of verification, to make sure that only one time / 2 completed shots per person are allow, nothing more for the sake of securities.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2021, 08:47:48 PM

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery? I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened. I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want. Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 26, 2021, 09:40:59 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2021, 08:47:48 PM

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery? I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened. I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want. Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.

The government will identify their citizen's ID and make sure that the vaccine can be given to the right person. The government will have a database of its people. Those who register their ID with the government will get a call from the government to get vaccinated. In the place or hospital, people need to reregister before they get vaccinated. I think the government will use the same method to define who is the winner of the lottery to give to the right person. But I do not think that people will want to try to get vaccinated repeatedly because that can give them a side effect on their bodies.

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Quote from: snipie on July 26, 2021, 05:47:12 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 03:29:42 PM

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.

Ok, back to the lottery (by the way, I don't see any news in this thread about how it actually goes) Wink

Everything else can be talked about later, since in fact now no one knows what is happening and what kind of behavior will be best for everyone. I hope we will all be safe and sound and then we can discuss this pandemic as a past disaster.

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I understand that "anti-vaxx" became a thing lately in the world, people were denying vaccination for the most common stuff, hell even measles became a thing again because of these people.

However humanity is not ready for anti vaxx people to start debating if we should be getting covid vaccination or not, the other smaller stuff we can handle few not vaccinated but this is huge, we are talking about 4+ million people dead because of it, the alternative is there, we know what happens when you are not vaccinated, the results are clear, we lived a whole year without them and the result was 4+ million deaths, anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is basically saying "I am going to survive, screw everyone else" which is not even guaranteed, you may die, but even in case that you do not, that still means that you are fine with one year 4+ million death scenario, because that is what we got from covids first year which was without any vaccination. There is ZERO alternatives to vaccination, it is just death all around you.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 26, 2021, 08:47:48 PM

I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery? I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened. I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want. Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.

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Quote from: blockman on July 26, 2021, 04:40:16 PM

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.

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I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery? I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened. I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want. Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 03:29:42 PM

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.

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