Topic: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland. - page 5. (Read 2977 times)

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?

Those who aren't in favor of the vaccine (not here in the forum but people around me) are saying negative views about it on which in the first place, it should be out of their league since are they aren't even health experts or working in the health industry field? What I mean is, how can they conclude that vaccine is just an all-around sh*t?. And this encouragement offered by the government is even considered as sh*t also.

There is no 100% protection against the virus, even the vaccine. However, at least it gives up some boost to our immune system alongside our own ways of healthy living. Better than f*uc*ing nothing. People from other countries are even lucky to have a good supply. If you don't want that, tell your government to just donate it to those poor countries.

For those people who don't want to get vaccinated, it's better if they will just do some less talk since, after all, they are not forced to undergo vaccine.

The Poland government is doing its best to educate people while at the same time, offering something good in return. That was a great and good initiative towards their people.

What Poland is trying to do is entirely sensible, part of why a vaccine works is it stops the spread and mutation and repeated threatened effects that occur from constant circulation.   People who refuse and keep storing via a relay the virus in the community unfortunately increase the time there is a threat overall.     Approaching Winter there is a normal threat of flu to old people and also increasing threat from the cold and people staying indoors more so; a program to increase the take up of a vaccine is entirely sensible & fiscally justifiable in giving prizes vs the cost to society and economy overall from less activity and likely lower tax revenue ie. its a valid investment.



The latest strain spreads more easily, maybe twice as easily which is bad but the actual survival rate is the same so far as I know which is some small comfort.
India and every country has advantages to its particular make up and India has one of the lowest average ages to their population world wide so I agree. Its very unlikely the majority will really suffer as badly as say Japan could do with their average age being massively high, it could devastate that country.   Obviously deaths will occur but India should be able on average to last with health less damaged, the best thing they can do is separate out and have the young take the majority of risk in terms of transmission obviously there is a shortage of vaccine so there is no ideal fix.

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.

Do you have any proof with this?

People had already taken the vaccine would turn out to be asymptomatic? Yeah, we are aiming for immunity and cure but i dont really believe on this stuff.This is why

i do really ask out for some source basing on what you do have said.Vaccine is for sure but it turns out that people are too paranoid when it comes to side effects.

I will start with the fact that countries not accepting each other vaccination. This is partially true and politically motivated. France (mainly) hates Russia and China so they were blocking the introduction of these vaccine in Europe. I will not deny that Russia didn't show the whole study to proof the efficiency of its vaccine but this was not the case for Chinese ones. They even attacked directly European countries that imported Russian/Chinese vaccines. Chinese one was accepted by WHO BTW..
To answer the first statement with an example as you did but applicable for human, how much vaccine we have until now for infectious diseases? It depends from countries for sure but many have dozen obligatory vaccines. Did you hear about smallpox? Polio?...etc
The virus mutate naturally so it is normal to find it mutating in vaccinated people and will continue to mutate until we stop its wide spread. If we can blame something for vaccination is the fact that contributed to the huge rise of World population and the shift of classic death from infectious diseases to cardiovascular ones. BTW KTChampions, I am not talking like that as an ordinary person but as someone who has enough experience in this field

It gives cnfidence but with the new variant it's still better to continue following the safety protocols. I see your point though and with this vaccines it helps improving your immune system to protect you much better than those who haven't got the shots.

Poland government is doing their best to help their people not to make things more complicated, while giving them also a chance to win
good amount of money from the vaccine's maker.

Mate, you are misinformed. Medical experts won't just create a vaccine that will just minimize the effect of those who contradicts it. Aside from boosting the immune system, it will also reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

That's my thinking before but after some good talks and conversations with our friends in the health and medical field, I've now been more informed and that's the reason why I undergo a vaccine and also encourage people (not forcing them) to have it with or without perks from and benefits like a lottery or something else.

Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .

It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.

In the meanwhile, updated data from Israel suggests possible waning in effectiveness of Pfizer mRNA drug.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.html
This means that a third dose is certainly gonna be inevitable and, moreover, that the virus will get more and more resistant to the drug. I agree with those scientists who say that it's a truly bad mistake to start any vaccination during an ongoing epidemic.

Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).

Did you checked the numbers from Sweden? Till now, they had 1,096,799 infections (the total population is just 10 million) and 14,615 deaths. These are huge numbers, and without any doubt the worst for any European country. For comparison, these are the total number of deaths for the neighboring countries - 799 for Norway and 978 for Finland. Even if you take in to account the difference in population, the mortality rate in Sweden is at least 10 times higher than the neighboring nations. Still want to argue that the Sweden model worked? Even now they are having approx. 500 cases per day.

So far this is the only "Pfizer" vaccine available in our country that has low risk compared to others and everyone in the city is recommended to take the vaccine as soon as possible before the Delta Variant spread here. In that case, there will be no doubt that we will run out of vaccines when that happens and those who are hard-headed will regret not taking advantage of the free vaccine when it was available. We need to cooperate with the health workers because we've been in this pandemic for long enough unlike the other countries in the west looks like they already winning and more likely ending the pandemic in their country while we are still prevented from going out without using both faces mask and face shield.

All the right information you need about vaccination and how important it is are everywhere, the WHO did not fail to give all the news and updates the world needs to combat this virus, this is the time that we accept that knowledge is power, this virus is extremely dangerous you just have to check what happens to India and Indonesia to know that this virus should not be taken lightly and we should know how to protect and combat it, and so far the only way is to get vaccinated.

Expect that. but better to have more people to accept this vaccines, and by this kind of efforts people will take part.

The hope of winning and the chance that the government is providing to their citizens just to convince many to take this shots.

Who knows what luck permits to those people who will participate right? not to drag anyone but for some, surely interest got into their mind after realizing the worth of the pot money.

You cant really force anyone to do so because that kind of mindset on where they do really believe that there would be some side effects even myself is been thinking on that matter.

Its really a bit insulting that it isnt being trusted by most people as a scientist then you would really be having this kind of impression.

Government at least showing off some dedication on trying to give a shot in all into its citizens but expect that there would really people who wont really be tending to get a shot no matter what.

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It all depends on how strong a country medical structure is, in terms of hospitals, oxygen beds...etc
If you switch Sweden by any other country with weak healthcare system, the result will be more disastrous and we all saw how catastrophic the situation was in India although they taken several restrictions measures...
I agree that being vaccinated doesn't mean there will be no more mutation, that's why I insist that a massive vaccination is the only solution to stop this shit. Otherwise it will be a 6 - 12 months vaccination for years...
BTW vaccine doesn't kill the virus, our strengthen immune system does.

But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate.
Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.

By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.

Which is not wrong, when it comes to your health that principle applies all the time, people spend their times doing things that deteriorate their health and then it comes to a point in which they develop a chronic disease that is expensive and that takes away years and a great deal of their quality of life, if instead they decided to develop good habits they could have avoid it but they refuse, this is the same, the vaccine will not stop people from contracting the virus but you will be protected and in the case you get it it would not as bad as it could have been.