Topic: ★ ZEIT ★ [COMMUNITY & KNIGHTS] [ULTRA LOW INFLATION] [MICRO-PAYMENTS] - page 323. (Read 1009280 times)

A Voice for the Voiceless
Protection for the Defenceless

I'm in the same boat. We will need to move the coins back to the main wallet address because they staked and got moved to other addresses, but then we will loose the age of the coins. This will be a problem to prove the 100M for the knights.

Ahhh has been a while since I saw this wicked wicked song. Official Zeit Anthem? 

Am I missing something with the "funded" rich address list? Been away for a 2 weekends .. My wallet isn't on the list oddly enough with 273mil (added 25mil this week, woop woop)

I have no idea where your horse is,
but my horse is amazing:

http://www.lookatmyhorsemyhorseisamazing.com/

Cheers,
Ray

Let's build this Z-CORE together.
I think kiklo's slogan collection might be a good base.

One important point for me (Ray): Helping the helpless. (it is also the core of Chivalry)
It's very easy to help. (not only with ZEIT or FIAT)

Z-CORE (simplified)
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* helping the helpless
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
* (PLACEHOLDER)
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Let's go on... First we should collect ideas.
(Please beware things like 'water for Africa' - it's the same like 'helping the helpless')
If we add Technology to the CORE - same here: Farming robots = Technology

Is this procedure acceptable for you?

Cheers,
Ray

Hey Hey ZeitKnights ..

Dude where is my horse?!? 


Went away for a week and I see someone bounced Zeit to 85+ litoshi and down to 30 .. erm .. thanks for the fish? Had a lot of buys 30-40 filled. Ta 

I agree with this statement. Actions do need to be guided by principles. And this is why I suggested in a post yesterday, which got completely ignored, that we need to lay in advance the framework for what our principles are going to be.


No one is asking you or Ray to state what all of the Zeitknight's principles will be. As stated above, what we want is to have laid out what the CORE of our principles will be. That can and should be laid out before the counsel is put into motion to avoid having this coin fall into disarray by having new member come in who do not support our core principles. The core principles need to be spelled out, and all members and future members of the counsel must by willing to stand by those core principles. In fact, that should be one of the requirements for being on the counsel. Otherwise, Zeit will become corrupted, there will be tons of in-fighting among the counsel members, and Zeit will fall into ruin.


The only thing sad about it is that you feel the concept is lost on some of us. It's not. It just seems to me, as an outsider looking in, that there are some who seem to feel they should have a bigger voice in the direction the coin is going than others. Now, this is the perception, and hopefully that's all it is and that perception can be changed sooner rather than later. But it seems as though some people say, "We're gonna do this and that and that's how it's gonna be." Were as there are others among us, as Ray pointed out in his recent post, that have made suggestions that have been totally ignored. He mentioned a post by fxtronic that got ignored. Atronite just made a post that, as of my typing this, was totally ignored. The post I made yesterday about laying out our principles in writing ahead of time and creating by-laws was totally ignored. I'm sure there are others.
My point is, if this is going to be a "democracy" then everyone should have an equal voice without fear of being ignored, or worse, bashed, for stating their position on certain things. I understand it will be a majority rules when all is said and done. But all opinions should be given their due regard.

*EDIT* I see that Ray has in fact responded to atronite's post. Thanks Ray!

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That's no problem. We could place some kind of chat button in the qtGUI.
We should put this idea on our to-do list.

Ray

There should be no personalities ... just sound ideas and just principles.
Block chain tech will allow cutting edge democratic administration.

I don't have the time or the emotional energy to continue like this.

I can't even keep track of all the 'attacks' against me by kiklo & mitras, never mind respond sufficiently to them.

All I can say is that I refute every single one of them.

I will wait until the formation of the knights, and I will vote according to my conscience upon issues brought before us.

In the meantime, there are FAR more vital issues - personal, local & global - that are more efficient uses of my life-force.

'nuff said.

Hi guys,

i've recognized some serious fears from your side and will not keep my eyes closed in that point.

Let's play around with some possible scenarios / questions:

Q1) Is the counsel protected against a 51% invasion of a single stakeholder?
Answer: No, with an amount of 1 Billion he will have 10 Voices. We have no mechanism to verify it.

Q2) Is the counsel protected against a group of whales/amateurs (inside the counsel, of course) that want to manipulate the course and the value?
Answer: No, there is no way to control it (until now)

Q3) What can we do to solve Q1) Q2) ?

Q4) Is it necessary to launch a control committee besides? How can we trust them? Should we deal with it like jl777? (No action without the signature of 7 or 8 trusted people)

Q5) Is it needed to have a leader? What is his job? How can we trust him/her?

Let's go down to business.

Cheers and good morning,
Ray

PS: Yesterday while we were still kicking each other's heads, one guy was posting an interesting idea. Nobody takes notice.
Scroll back and the read the post of fxtronic.

Hey, is there any way we could integrate a chat room into the wallet, maybe as part of an optional upgrade? Here's the code you can put into a website as a widget so that all you have to do is put in whatever username you like.



It'd be cool to open the wallet, and then log into the Zeitcoin chat and connect with other wallet users if desired.

As you can see, you can click on the link and go to the IRC site. So if we put it right into the wallet, then it's basically a portal into the rest of the community. It'd be a reason to even keep the wallet open and minting while you chat away.

Well said kiklo !!!

The statement was meant to reflect that LION Seems intent on talking about principles but never taking any action to make things better.
Which sadly is just like the TZM, the amount of money they blow on concerts would have easily help make zeitcoin up in the top 5 coins.

The ZeitKnight's End Game,
To make this World a Better Place for All who reside in it.
By making zeitcoin into a tool that can help someone next door or someone across the world.
When we get zeitcoin to $1 and still have a free faucet which we as knights still fund with our Zeit Interest , it will help people worldwide. And they can decide for themselves how best to use it to help themselves. Once the knight registrations in Feb 2015 are over they can start voting on all of the other stuff they want to say and how they want to say it.
Like I said some Knights may focus only on the area they desire, and no one is forced into anything.
And that is part of the problem with the current discussion , you are trying to control and define what the Knights can or can't do. That will be up to the group once they are fully formed.
You Know Majority Vote, remember that, if you don't like what they do start your own.
The More Groups the Merrier, but the nay saying needs to move on unless it is specific & constructive to the ideas.

 
 

FYI:
What I am saying is Principles without Actions is nothing.
Basically what was happening when I arrived in this Forum, except for Ray who had taken the weight of Zeitcoins on his Shoulders alone while others in here Bicker about actions but make none.
Actions need to be guided by principles to make Change in our world.
But what you need to realize is that the future knights have not even been added to the round table yet, and some of you want me or Ray to state what all of their principles are going to be, do you see how silly that is when none of us even know who the other knights will be. For example if their are 20 new knights and 15 of them vote for something me or Ray don't approve of, We don't have to help them achieve that goal, that is up to the 15 that voted for it. But any issue I do agree with them on , I will throw my full support behind. It will be that way for each ZeitKnight, (It is Called Freedom of Choice).
It is sad in this world that concept is so hard to get across when it should be apparent.
Just shows how much work has to be done to undue the damage that has been done to this world.
Some are looking for a Leader to hold accountable for everything, the thing is a ZeitKnight will Hold no one accountable but himself and look to himself to change the world for the better.

Ok, I'm scratching my head on this one. Let me make sure I understand you here. Actually, please tell me that your vision for this coin is not action over principles. Or even worse, no principles at all. Because if that is the case, then this coin is doomed. It will end up as nothing more than a stepping stone for the whales to pump and dump us into oblivion. The original basis of this coin was one founded on Zeitgeist principles. I know, I was there in the beginning before our original dev abandoned us. Even though we have removed ourselves from any attempts to gain support from TZM does not mean we have to or want to abandon the principles on which the coin was founded. We CAN have both principles AND action. In fact, I dare say we NEED both in order to truly set us apart from the hundreds of other coins currently floundering on the markets.

Who are you intimidated by ?

And if you don't want the ZeitKnights,
No one is stopping you from creating the ZeitLions (where principles are more important than actions)  


 

P.S.
You & BainbridgeJ could be the 1st 2 members of the zeitlions.
Start your own zeitlion Postings and let the community know what you are trying to do instead of just being a bunch of NAY Sayers to everyone else.

2nd P.S
You have not even posted any info on the forum about the proxy regulations that you wanted so badly.
So it could be discussed.

Ray - you can't let the foxes make up the rules for guarding the henhouse!


Which Foxes? I don't think that anyone here isn't fully behind the Zeitcoin.
I was one of the first too but I was always in the background, but we all have a voice and now I want to be heard.

Ok, I understand what you are saying now. But in my opinion, if he is using that energy to mine coins that he can trade off for Zeit, is he truly wasting energy? And in reality, not having Zeit associated with gambling is a much more realistic goal than having the world embrace clean energy any time in the foreseeable future. And it's not really that people don't want to embrace it, moreso that the greedy elite won't let loose of dirty energy until they've fleeced the sheep for every cent they can.

The only two reasons I re-started mining were

a) To support Zeitcoin &

b) Because mining is the most efficient method I have access to for heating my whole cottage.

A 500w PC providing cheaper heat than even the 'Economy 7' radiators fitted - by a factor of about FIVE! - is a NO-BRAINER as far as my finances go.

AS A REMINDER I have been with this coin since day fucking one, I mined about 20 million during PoW & have steadily increased my holding to 150 million since.

I am not, & will not be, intimidated by any johnny-come-lately's with big mouths & bad attitudes. Better than you have come & gone already.

Ray - you can't let the foxes make up the rules for guarding the henhouse!