Topic: ★ ZEIT ★ [COMMUNITY & KNIGHTS] [ULTRA LOW INFLATION] [MICRO-PAYMENTS] - page 324. (Read 1009280 times)

1) I have no idea. I've tried to rescue Zeit. I am not any TZM guy - i like >>some<< of their ideas. I am not the leader of ZEIT, i'm the unwanted administrator.
That's the reason why we need the Knights.

2) Please read my posts carefully. My english is not good at all, but i am sure you will understand the question...

I want to give up ZEIT into good hands. The counsel seems to be a good option.

Cheers & good night
Ray

I don't have a problem with it at all. I do the same. But lion is always showing up the principles of Zeit.
But he just dammed " gambling" not wasting energy.
It doesn't matters what ideas we all had, he was against it. The principles of Zeit !!!
Don't damme one think and do just another

So in your mind, just because Zeit is no longer in a POW phase that means that anyone who owns Zeit should not mine other coins? I fail to see the issue with him mining other coins that he trades off for Zeit. Not everyone has enough money left out of their paychecks to purchase a ton of coins every month, and not all of us are big enough bagholders to subsist on minting alone. Lion mines other coins that he trades off for Zeit. I hit up faucets to get Doge and PND which I use to trade off for Zeit. I do not see a problem here as we are still taking Zeit off of the exchanges, putting them in our wallets and keeping them out of the hands of the whales and serial dumpers.

+1

 

What's so hard to understand? Zeitcoin was founded as a clean Coin. Mining was just possible for a short time.
Zeitcoin should grow about minting and not about wasting a lot of energy with mining. Graphiccards needs a lot of energy which could be used much more useful.

Leader??? I think you don't know anything about Zeitcoin.
Zeitcoin is a COMMUNITY coin.

1) When I asked about clarity, it wasn't about gambling, it was about 'what this coin means'. I guess I want you to stand up & be a leader.

(Every time I try to be succinct, I get mis-interpreted )

2) I didn't understand what your question (about mining) meant, and it seemed somewhat trivial in the light of everything else going on. If it's important to you please rephrase it in a way I can relate to & I'll give a full & true answer.

You were offered the chance to take over the whole counsel idea in the beginning and you ran away from that chance as fast as you could.

So if you want to start up your own version now, then go ahead.
No one is stopping you except for you.

But the ZeitKnights will happen either way.
And No backbiting by you or LION will stop it.


 

P.S.
It seems like you too are more into tearing apart the idea of the zeitknights than promoting it.
Maybe you should refocus that energy into creating something else instead of trying to destroy something.
Because your efforts at destroying the zeitknights will be wasted.   

It's good to have a voice of dissent.
I didn't agree on many things Lion said in past, but 'hey'... that's pure democracy. 

I actually thought that we have completed that 'gambling' point?!
It's on the voting list.

For me the poker game is no fundamental principle for this coin (sorry) and it has nothing to do with our ground and our targets.
To prohibit or to control gambling is dictatorial.
In Germany we had such restrictions for many years. But not anymore.

You want me to make a decision in that point? No.

Did Lion answer my question about his mining in relation to the TZM principles? No.

Cheers,
Ray

As a couple of times said. The Knights will made a decision.
And remember we speak about a pokergame and not selling teenage crack whores.

The Fact that you try to place all of the Weight on Ray is not good.

Why do you think the original dev left, the weight is too much for 1 man as time goes on the burden becomes too great and they leave, that is why the ZeitKnights are so important , a shared weight can be handled easily whereas a single man may be crushed under it.

State your own idea and be seen as an Authority or a Fool , or remain a follower ,
your Choice.  

 

Let the organ grinder speak, not the monkey.

Then You or LION Say with your Authority in a POST what you believe.
For we are all owners of zeitcoins.

But you should know their is No Authority,

Authority is the Consensus of the Community.

You Both state where did my Authority come from , it came from the fact that very few disagreed with the ideas.

It is the consensus that defines what is Authority.

So if what you say is agreed on by many it will be seen as Authority, if it is not you will be seen as a fool.    

 

 

Yes,

It is the responsibility of Ray, and Ray alone, to say what is to be & what is not.

The rest of us only have the choice of whether to support him, or not.

I have NO PROBLEM with that.

All I request is some clarity.

What is being missed here is that Lion has made a point about gambling that he regards as a fundamental principle. I had a feeling that the issue was being glossed over as if his opinion didn't matter. Whilst I haven't agreed with everything Lion has said in the past, I regard him as major contributor to Zeitcoin. Without him, Zeitcoin wouldn't have the same voice. He should be listened to.

All he is asking for is a definite statement on Zeitcoin distancing itself from gambling. I think that is reasonable. Ray, that would be up to you as the present owner of the coin. Some of us would like to know of the ground that we stand upon.

The issue can be resolved here and now.

This in-fighting is exactly the type of thing that we need to nip in the bud right away. The counsel isn't even formed as of yet, so I don't know how the word "decisions" can even be used right now. There should be "recommendations" at this point. Lion, Bainbridge and I have already expressed our desire to not have Zeit officially affiliated with any gambling sites. I think that has been addressed as it has been pointed out that there is nothing of the sort in the OP. What people do with their Zeit is their business. However, there should never be a point in time at all where Zeit as a community endorses gambling. My two cents.

I think the major concern is that we need to lay the groundwork for what the coin and community are going to stand for and what our principles and values are going to be before the counsel is formed. We had already started going in that direction long before talk of any counsel or Zeitknights even came about. Take a look at the Zeit forum for reference. What we need to be concerned with and address now is the very real possibility that the counsel will go the same route all of the major world governments have. And that is to say that, for instance, we have ten people on the counsel and someone wants to do something that he/she knows will not have full support and that goes against our values. That person could very well start a private campaign to gain majority support and end up taking the coin in a direction that we shouldn't go. I don't mean to sound paranoid, and I know that's unfortunately how many democracies work, but that is a real concern, and exactly why we need to lay the framework out now. We need to set up by-laws of some sort that states what we stand for, and stick to it.

Back in 1913, Woodrow Wilson sold out the American people to the global banking elite by passing the Federal Reserve Act, which fundamentally changed the U.S. dollar from a powerful, gold-backed money into a worthless, debt-backed piece of paper. Right now, crypto-currency is beyond the total control of the global elite. We have to do our part to ensure that it stays that way, and that Zeit ends up at the forefront of alt-coins where it belongs. It is up to us to ensure that Zeit remains beyond corruption and fair and equally distributive. That should be one of our main focuses.

Have a look at the voting. I like his ideas and his energy. Seems to me that i am not alone with that opinion.
We have the chance to become the first (real) community-driven-non-scam coin. What's wrong with that?

Would you have me instead of the counsel? 

Zheers,
Zidel Zastro

The biggest mistake was that you offered a lot of Zeit to everybody who let the wallet closed.
It was at the forum. That was so stu....
A coin which isn't tradet is going to hell

In my opinion kiklo and Ray did something. But lion what have you done just being against everything. I don't know you very long but you are against everything we made.

With the Same Authority used to Offer it to You.  

Since the original idea was mine.

 

Then several VITAL questions emerge:-

By WHAT 'authority' does kiklo claim the right to make such an offer? Or make any 'decisions' at all, for that matter?

As Ray is the de facto 'owner' of the coin:-

Ray, did you authorise kiklo to have a free hand to carry on as he sees fit? Or have you just not found a reason to reign him back (yet)?