Topic: [ANN] [SUMO] SUMOKOIN - 🔏 Digital Cash For Highly-Confidential Transactions 🔏 - page 56. (Read 202439 times)
January 28, 2018, 03:43:57 PM
They should have done better, there's no way around it... But imho: It is a small issue. It was made big with the takedown of the repo. If it was done by issue, nobody would talk about it now. We will move on. The year has just begun
January 28, 2018, 03:29:01 PM
Enough now! We talk about a formal mistake here. Not no credits at all!
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
Absolutely, SUMOKOIN dev have repeatedly emphasized that SUMOKOIN is based on MONERO. I agree with you there.
It wasn't my intention to "create" that impression. It's just a formal matter and they shouldn't have changed the copyright notice
in violation of the license.
January 28, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Enough now! We talk about a formal mistake here. Not no credits at all!
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
Don't give people the impression there was no credit. This is wrong.
January 28, 2018, 02:14:01 PM
DMCA Takedown to Sumokoin Github
Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.
To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:
Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project
Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.
For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin
The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.
To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:
Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project
Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.
For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin
The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Break all ties with Monero.
And make an official announcement
Maybe, SUMOKOIN Dev should wonder why the Monero Project have taken this step. You can't pretend to be the author and hope nothing happens.
As 99.9 % is copyright Monero, they are right to demand that. Copyright is MONERO, especially on the files SUMOKOIN DEV never touched. It always comes
back and bites you in the ...
January 28, 2018, 11:08:01 AM
Sumokoin will only come back stronger than before, clearly differentiated from XMR. Dust will settle and we move on!
January 28, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
We are about to do that exact thing at the moment.
January 28, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.
This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive
Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ...
As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger
1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post
2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did
when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/108
3. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant
Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony
I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message.
2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning.
2. A random guy who picked up a conversation on Monero's irc indeed alerted by making a post on telegram but like any other coin's telegram channel there is a rate of 1000/hour "when lambo" and "when moon" posts so actual info is hard to be processed there. The actual contributor that filed the report alerted noone neither by opening an issue like its standard practice in open source or at least send an email to the email address mentioned on our repo. Indeed it was just a copy paste job and we would have immediately done it if we were informed properly like we did already. Such things and mistakes happen every day in open source developing and 99.999% of the time are solved amicably via proper dev to dev communication.
I am glad that the core Monero community justifies our frustration and we totaly agree with the suggestion to open official communication channels to avoid such issues in the future.
Despite the things that separate us and the overzealous community's slandering (which is a normal thing) there are more things that connect us. So lets move on
Time to forge our own future now. Why stay in the shadows of Monero? The community has grown to the extent that if desired, we could take a different route going forward.
January 28, 2018, 06:26:29 AM
Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.
This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive
Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ...
As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger
1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post
2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did
when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/108
3. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant
Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony
I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message.
2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning.
2. A random guy who picked up a conversation on Monero's irc indeed alerted by making a post on telegram but like any other coin's telegram channel there is a rate of 1000/hour "when lambo" and "when moon" posts so actual info is hard to be processed there. The actual contributor that filed the report alerted noone neither by opening an issue like its standard practice in open source or at least send an email to the email address mentioned on our repo. Indeed it was just a copy paste job and we would have immediately done it if we were informed properly like we did already. Such things and mistakes happen every day in open source developing and 99.999% of the time are solved amicably via proper dev to dev communication.
I am glad that the core Monero community justifies our frustration and we totaly agree with the suggestion to open official communication channels to avoid such issues in the future.
Despite the things that separate us and the overzealous community's slandering (which is a normal thing) there are more things that connect us. So lets move on
January 28, 2018, 06:16:38 AM
Hey, can someone please explain what may be the consequence for Sumo regarding this DMCA file?
No consequences at all. It's a formal issue that I assume will be fixed soon.
It just demonstrated toxicity and corporate approach of monero development. It would be no wonder if people run away from such a hostile coin to an alternatives like sumo&co that are true open-source.
This idiotic approach monero demonstrated show its fear. The whole thing could have been discussed via email. Are they afraid of quality forks? Aeon that is a copycat and has one but the only dev is coming from monero, therefore no prob although it's code and copyright is a mess.. Now bytecoin will behave in a same way and block monero? I seriously don't get this..
My 2 cents - open-source was a vehicle for crypto launch but as soon as money came to play people are behaving like asses and are forgetting that code is free and everyone can use it, enhance and share.. Kids, don't take the game so seriously. You can't escape alive
Stop blaming other projects if you did the wrong thing... doesn't matter if things could have been resolved via email, issue or whatever ... THING IS THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE BE AN ISSUE AT ALL... abide the rules and give copyright where its due ...
As you copy&pasted everything else, why didn't you just add a file for Sumocoin and let the old stuff as it was ... you even deleted cryptonote-devs out ... they could blame you too... stop attacking the messenger
1. Cryptonote copyright was always there check the code again. (# Parts of this file are originally copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers) - And since it was there all the time sumoshi didnt mention it on his post
2. Well obviously it doesnt matter to you monero devs that these things can be resolved via issue on git or email. Like this poor guy did
when you unintentionaly infringed his code when Monero was still a young coin https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/108
3. A claimant is not a messanger, a claimant is a claimant
Edit: I ve just stealthily deleted the irony
I checked gitlab too, so i decided to delete the cryptonote message.
2. someone was contacted in your telegram, that guy should have known how to reach out to you. So some sort of contact was done... and like i said elsewhere ... you only had to add your credentials below... README.md was a Copy&Paste Job ... and you ACTIVELY altered that copy&paste thing... you could just have added your copyright below what already was in that README.md . Also defending with another wrong doesn't make ones wrong better... thats kindergarten reasoning.
January 28, 2018, 06:16:23 AM
I already bought 3K new sumo, this just shows how scared Monero is, now SUMO community is stronger than ever.
Good! But how will apprehend other coin investors unclear. The coin rate continues to fall January 28, 2018, 06:10:59 AM
I already bought 3K new sumo, this just shows how scared Monero is, now SUMO community is stronger than ever.
January 28, 2018, 05:04:34 AM
A personal note now that the dust has settled and we are dealing with the aftermath of yesterday's events.
We should credit Monero core dev community the fact that they justify our frustration and have expressed their clear and in writing disagreement (on reddit / links available in private) with the course of action taken by a solitary Monero code contributor concerning our github repo DMCA takedown.
He was legally right but his actions place a dark cloud above any open source project and a fear to all developers that their repo could be shut down for unintentionally misstating the open source copyright notices without prior developer to developer communication. (we have stated all over, since day 1, that Sumokoin is a Monero fork, both here and on our repo so our intentions cannot be challenged)
It's up to core Monero Project collaborators though to regulate their community and protect the open source spirit.
Despite our various disagreements and despite the slander exchanged between both communities, there is a clearly expressed and agreed will for coexistance and better official communication in the future and on all subjects
In the meantime, we move on as per schedule
Regarding the repo, I personally see three options
1. We stay on gitlab and continue development there
2. The takedown is lifted and we reinstate our previous repo
3. We make a new repo on github since now our open source copyright notices are amended
We should credit Monero core dev community the fact that they justify our frustration and have expressed their clear and in writing disagreement (on reddit / links available in private) with the course of action taken by a solitary Monero code contributor concerning our github repo DMCA takedown.
He was legally right but his actions place a dark cloud above any open source project and a fear to all developers that their repo could be shut down for unintentionally misstating the open source copyright notices without prior developer to developer communication. (we have stated all over, since day 1, that Sumokoin is a Monero fork, both here and on our repo so our intentions cannot be challenged)
It's up to core Monero Project collaborators though to regulate their community and protect the open source spirit.
Despite our various disagreements and despite the slander exchanged between both communities, there is a clearly expressed and agreed will for coexistance and better official communication in the future and on all subjects
In the meantime, we move on as per schedule
Regarding the repo, I personally see three options
1. We stay on gitlab and continue development there
2. The takedown is lifted and we reinstate our previous repo
3. We make a new repo on github since now our open source copyright notices are amended
January 28, 2018, 04:30:51 AM
Break all ties with Monero.
And make an official announcement
January 28, 2018, 04:17:31 AM
DMCA Takedown to Sumokoin Github
Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.
To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:
Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project
Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.
For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin
The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Guys, as you may already know, in an sudden move, a dev from The Monero Project filed a DMCA to take down Sumokoin's git hosted at Github without prior notice.
To meet the requirements, we'd already amended copyright notices but they disagreed with some copyright dates where we only add the copyright notices to files we had modified as follows:
Copyright (c) 2017, SUMOKOIN
Copyright (c) 2014 - 2017, The Monero Project
Please note that we'd referred to "The Monero Project" at all files before, yet that appeared not enough to some devs there. While they have the right to correct copyright claim at any file they contributed code to, we expected a different approach to resolve disputes (via Issue submission or direct emailing to our devs). DMCA takedown should be the last one to do, I believe, especially for a project under a liberal license and having some noble missions.
For now, we temporarily moved our source code to GitLab: https://gitlab.com/Sumoprojects/sumokoin
The case is being discussed by community at Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7tboly/can_we_get_a_clarification_from_monero_devs_on/
Sorry for any inconvenience.
Break all ties with Monero.
And make an official announcement
January 28, 2018, 12:42:24 AM
Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.
No worries mate, chances are he will not respond anyway, but don't see it as a waste of time.
Ok, so I briefly spoke with Fluffy on twitter. He said that "....I certainly have no ability to speak for the ~340 contributors who have worked on Monero."
This doesn't mean that the Monero team had no knowledge of the DMCA, but you can "reasonably argue" that in a decentralized currency / community / project, every code contributor can act ....stupid in this case.
Long story short, my advice would be take the free publicity that this one individual just gave you, and be "the better man" here, stop blaming them. While newbies only care about price, the long standing community appreciates character and judges based on ethics.
Also, as a disclaimer, I hold (very little) from both currencies, so I have nothing to gain from supporting one team over the other, I like both.
Cheers,
I like both as well, however, Monero's community seems to be becoming more toxic all the time. I hold a very small amount of Monero but I stopped following their communities.
January 27, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
Don't... this is not to be solved with him. He doesn't like Sumo. Don't waste your time.
No worries mate, chances are he will not respond anyway, but don't see it as a waste of time.
Ok, so I briefly spoke with Fluffy on twitter. He said that "....I certainly have no ability to speak for the ~340 contributors who have worked on Monero."
This doesn't mean that the Monero team had no knowledge of the DMCA, but you can "reasonably argue" that in a decentralized currency / community / project, every code contributor can act ....stupid in this case.
Long story short, my advice would be take the free publicity that this one individual just gave you, and be "the better man" here, stop blaming them. While newbies only care about price, the long standing community appreciates character and judges based on ethics.
Also, as a disclaimer, I hold (very little) from both currencies, so I have nothing to gain from supporting one team over the other, I like both.
Cheers,
January 27, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
Devs,
I love SUMO, have been mining since the beginning. I think this is the PERFECT time to start branching out of Monero's wing and going or OWN thing. The community is strong enough that we can start doing things differently instead of just adopting whatever Monero does. This would not only differentiate SUMO but also Monero people would stop calling us copycats.
I love SUMO, have been mining since the beginning. I think this is the PERFECT time to start branching out of Monero's wing and going or OWN thing. The community is strong enough that we can start doing things differently instead of just adopting whatever Monero does. This would not only differentiate SUMO but also Monero people would stop calling us copycats.
January 27, 2018, 06:37:43 PM
very interesting project, but I'm still waiting for more promotion plans for this project and also can you give some link of your bounty in this thread
January 27, 2018, 04:00:43 PM
The Monero claimant should be kicked out of the Monero project. Whiners instead of bridge builders have no place in private civil society. Of course, this is different if reasonable efforts were made to have the copyright notice changed before the claim was made.
I couldnt agree more but this is actually Monero project's decision to discuss and make.
If reasonable efforts were made everyone would have noticed them on our git (an issue) or the email would have been posted by the claimant and we would have lowered our heads, accept the takedown and shut our mouths. This is the actual issue here, the reasonable efforts before a legal action against another open source project. The claimant unknowingly challenged the libertarianism of the open source movement.
January 27, 2018, 03:43:53 PM
The Monero claimant should be kicked out of the Monero project. Whiners instead of bridge builders have no place in private civil society. Of course, this is different if reasonable efforts were made to have the copyright notice changed before the claim was made.
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