Topic: ANTMINER S4+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 11. (Read 20120 times)

Quote from: dogie on April 30, 2015, 04:34:24 PM

How many amps is a 1500w Miner going to pull on a 220/240v Circuit?? my math says like 6.25... thats nothing

(meaning I can safely run 3 S4+ on a single 20A 220)

At 240V it's 6.25A. Meaning you can safely run 2 on a 240V/20A circuit. You only load a breaker to 80% for constant draw.
At 220V it's 6.82A. Again, you can safely run 2 on that circuit.

Anyway, Bitmain choosing to basically abandon the typical US consumer is an unpleasant reality now.

Because this product doesn't fit your situation doesn't mean they've abandoned you. The S4+ might not be for you and that's okay.

What it does is set a precedent. Until the S4+ every single product Bitmain released was usable by everyone - from the home hobbyist to the industrial scale farm. With this, they have completely alienated the entire US home miner market.

To be fair, I had no intention of buying a revamp of last-gen tech, so this product was not for me to begin with. I'm hopeful that Bitmain will introduce an S7 or similar that will still cater to those of us who continue to mine at home. However, I also understand the economics of it and realize that unless there's a dramatic shift in the Bitcoin ecosystem, home mining is effectively dead.

during good months of home mining 5k to 7k power earned me 3 thousand a month. Not most months 4 or 5 of the last 35 months.

this past Jan 2015 6k of power and 12th of hash I got 4 coins and spent 600 usd on power a net of 200usd.

I will not expect to earn 1k a month during any month of 2015.

The most power I can use is 6 or 7k during cold winter months. If I could buy 2 10 th machines that use 3k watts each I would buy them as far as i know they do not exist .

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 03:08:56 PM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 03:08:56 PM

How many amps is a 1500w Miner going to pull on a 220/240v Circuit?? my math says like 6.25... thats nothing

(meaning I can safely run 3 S4+ on a single 20A 220)

At 240V it's 6.25A. Meaning you can safely run 2 on a 240V/20A circuit. You only load a breaker to 80% for constant draw.
At 220V it's 6.82A. Again, you can safely run 2 on that circuit.

Anyway, Bitmain choosing to basically abandon the typical US consumer is an unpleasant reality now.

Because this product doesn't fit your situation doesn't mean they've abandoned you. The S4+ might not be for you and that's okay.

What it does is set a precedent. Until the S4+ every single product Bitmain released was usable by everyone - from the home hobbyist to the industrial scale farm. With this, they have completely alienated the entire US home miner market.

To be fair, I had no intention of buying a revamp of last-gen tech, so this product was not for me to begin with. I'm hopeful that Bitmain will introduce an S7 or similar that will still cater to those of us who continue to mine at home. However, I also understand the economics of it and realize that unless there's a dramatic shift in the Bitcoin ecosystem, home mining is effectively dead.

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How many amps is a 1500w Miner going to pull on a 220/240v Circuit?? my math says like 6.25... thats nothing

(meaning I can safely run 3 S4+ on a single 20A 220)

At 240V it's 6.25A. Meaning you can safely run 2 on a 240V/20A circuit. You only load a breaker to 80% for constant draw.
At 220V it's 6.82A. Again, you can safely run 2 on that circuit.

Anyway, Bitmain choosing to basically abandon the typical US consumer is an unpleasant reality now.

Because this product doesn't fit your situation doesn't mean they've abandoned you. The S4+ might not be for you and that's okay.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 11:08:09 AM

How many amps is a 1500w Miner going to pull on a 220/240v Circuit?? my math says like 6.25... thats nothing

(meaning I can safely run 3 S4+ on a single 20A 220)

At 240V it's 6.25A. Meaning you can safely run 2 on a 240V/20A circuit. You only load a breaker to 80% for constant draw.
At 220V it's 6.82A. Again, you can safely run 2 on that circuit.

Anyway, Bitmain choosing to basically abandon the typical US consumer is an unpleasant reality now.

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Quote from: Evan on April 30, 2015, 10:49:06 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:43:42 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: Evan on April 30, 2015, 10:49:06 AM

The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

Aren't American Dryers 220v?

Good luck convincing the little lady that she's got to hang your clothes out to dry because you're replacing her dryer with some miners Tongue

.

Electric Stove is also 220... Whats the connectors for 220v to the back of a S4+??? L6-30P to C13 Right?

Yes, so you might soften the blow by telling her she no longer needs to cook anything.

The point is, the double pole breakers you've already got in your panel are already being used for other purposes: stove/range, dryer, central AC, etc. Virtually every other circuit you've got in your box is a standard 120V single pole. To use an S4+ at home, you're either going to have to do something silly like replace your appliances with miners or install a dedicated circuit or two (and likely get your total amperage increased to handle the additional load).

How many amps is a 1500w Miner going to pull on a 220/240v Circuit?? my math says like 6.25... thats nothing

(meaning I can safely run 3 S4+ on a single 20A 220)

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:43:42 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:43:42 AM

The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

Aren't American Dryers 220v?

Good luck convincing the little lady that she's got to hang your clothes out to dry because you're replacing her dryer with some miners Tongue

.

Electric Stove is also 220... Whats the connectors for 220v to the back of a S4+??? L6-30P to C13 Right?

Yes, so you might soften the blow by telling her she no longer needs to cook anything.

The point is, the double pole breakers you've already got in your panel are already being used for other purposes: stove/range, dryer, central AC, etc. Virtually every other circuit you've got in your box is a standard 120V single pole. To use an S4+ at home, you're either going to have to do something silly like replace your appliances with miners or install a dedicated circuit or two (and likely get your total amperage increased to handle the additional load).

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:39:15 AM

The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

Aren't American Dryers 220v?

Good luck convincing the little lady that she's got to hang your clothes out to dry because you're replacing her dryer with some miners Tongue

.

Electric Stove is also 220... Whats the connectors for 220v to the back of a S4+??? L6-30P to C13 Right?

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:39:15 AM

Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on April 30, 2015, 10:39:15 AM

The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

Aren't American Dryers 220v?

Good luck convincing the little lady that she's got to hang your clothes out to dry because you're replacing her dryer with some miners Tongue

.

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The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

Aren't American Dryers 220v?

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Quote from: padrino on April 25, 2015, 08:48:58 AM

The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

That's exactly what it means. Unless you've got your home wired with some double pole breakers that'll give you the 240V, this product is not for you.

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The included PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.

Does this mean a Home in the USA can not use this as its only 110 service?

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Quote from: notlist3d on April 24, 2015, 10:24:33 PM

Quote from: HasherHub on April 24, 2015, 05:08:15 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on April 24, 2015, 10:24:33 PM

Hy dear Bitmain and dogie,
unfortunately the "new" S4+ has no significant improvement in power to hash ratio and on my personal opinion a decrease in attraction for home miners in Middle europe, US and other countries above €$0,15/kWH.
If i may post a wish for a S6 or S7, this would be 0,25W/GH and a noise level below 30db. Technically this should not be an issue for a legit company as bitmain is Wink

Kind regards,
elrippo

I'm convinced the S4+ is just an attempt to make the S5 look like a better value, so they'll sell more of them. This is a marketing tricking to make the lower priced product seem like a better value.

I don't know if I would say that. If you had a warehouse or huge operation this would be a nice product as far as the amount of hash it brings.

With not being 110 its not a product for all, but there are some out there that are it's "ideal" customers.

Ideal customers, anyone that cares about power efficiency and has plumbed 205V+ in already? I paid all of $150 to have an electrician drop in two 240V 20A circuits and they've been paying for themselves with EVGA, LEPA, Antminer, other PSUs running an average of almost 10% more efficient.

And your $150 get's thrown right out the window when you realize that the s4+ is an extra $200 more than the equivalent 2 S5s. And so your 240v line is saving you what? 3 cents an hour?

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Quote from: HasherHub on April 24, 2015, 05:08:15 PM

Quote from: HasherHub on April 24, 2015, 05:08:15 PM

Hy dear Bitmain and dogie,
unfortunately the "new" S4+ has no significant improvement in power to hash ratio and on my personal opinion a decrease in attraction for home miners in Middle europe, US and other countries above €$0,15/kWH.
If i may post a wish for a S6 or S7, this would be 0,25W/GH and a noise level below 30db. Technically this should not be an issue for a legit company as bitmain is Wink

Kind regards,
elrippo

I'm convinced the S4+ is just an attempt to make the S5 look like a better value, so they'll sell more of them. This is a marketing tricking to make the lower priced product seem like a better value.

I don't know if I would say that. If you had a warehouse or huge operation this would be a nice product as far as the amount of hash it brings.

With not being 110 its not a product for all, but there are some out there that are it's "ideal" customers.

Ideal customers, anyone that cares about power efficiency and has plumbed 205V+ in already? I paid all of $150 to have an electrician drop in two 240V 20A circuits and they've been paying for themselves with EVGA, LEPA, Antminer, other PSUs running an average of almost 10% more efficient.

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Hy dear Bitmain and dogie,
unfortunately the "new" S4+ has no significant improvement in power to hash ratio and on my personal opinion a decrease in attraction for home miners in Middle europe, US and other countries above €$0,15/kWH.
If i may post a wish for a S6 or S7, this would be 0,25W/GH and a noise level below 30db. Technically this should not be an issue for a legit company as bitmain is Wink

Kind regards,
elrippo

I'm convinced the S4+ is just an attempt to make the S5 look like a better value, so they'll sell more of them. This is a marketing tricking to make the lower priced product seem like a better value.

I don't know if I would say that. If you had a warehouse or huge operation this would be a nice product as far as the amount of hash it brings.

With not being 110 its not a product for all, but there are some out there that are it's "ideal" customers.

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That could be and wouldn't surprise me. Just the same if the S2 upgrade kits ever get released with the initial specs the S5 and S4+ miners won't sell.

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