Topic: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 11. (Read 6644 times)

The trading also have the risk,but no one speak about it.Even though they had loss the money in the trading,the trader will not blame and just move on.When I had 200$ in bitcoin at the price of 45k dollar,the same was reduced to 195$ at the price of 42k dump.I had just withdraw the money to fiat and use it,if we think in deep.Really it's 5$ is the loss for me by just holding.But in gambling we get some entertainment by playing the game.So the loss is not the loss when you consider the entertainment.But we think of the loss by consider the money,the fact is the money is secondary.The gambling will give the entertainment which never achieved in any game.So the rich people play the game for the entertainment by skip of money expectation.

Once you do reach out into a particular condition on which you are already that considered to be a successful gambler or someone who do able to sustain themselves on playing gambling
on which it is really just that impossible that you havent been able to experience those addiction moments on which i do believe that they are the ones who do able to resolve out such state
that they have experienced in the past and that what makes them realize and do able to learn up those past mistakes on which it did really neither give out that kind of learning which
they have applied on what they are on today. We do know that being profitable in gamlbing is hard and close to impossible but if you do make yourself getting involved with
those skills related games then you could have the chance.

Any business you venture into not just gambling, will require risk, effort, time and money. A successful gambler knows how much hard work attitude and money it takes to become successful. There are many people who withdraw themselves from gambling after becoming successful and there are many people who fail. In gambling you will find stories of failure but less stories of utter proletariat. My friend sold his bike just because he was addicted to betting but now he is a successful gambler and he now uses expensive bikes. You can consider this as luck and not everyone may have such luck.

Yes, that's usually fine. It depends on the substance though because they come with different levels of addiction.

For example if someone simply tries one time marijuana, they will not be addicted if they never do it again.

But, if anyone tries heroine or a similar drug once, they will be addicted forever.

The problem lies in the brain. Some chemicals give you such a high in the first dose that you can never get back to it.

That's called chasing the dragon.

Basically imagine the best feeling you have lived in your entire life. Multiply it by a hundred. That's what a person gets when they get heroin or similar substances in their bodies.

They can never experience that level of happiness, or joy, etc, outside of the chemical, so they end up doing it over and over, with decreasing power. It's quite sad.

It is also an addiction because we will return to gambling, especially since we feel happy when we play it.
We don't think much about the possibility of winning or losing that will be the result because we want to gamble in our spare time. And if that's what you think, you are addicted but you only gamble when you are free.
This means that you can still control yourself and determine when you will gamble, and you don't have to gamble immediately without thinking about whether you have free time or busy time.

it's interesting because if we stretch the elastic even more, can a heroin or crack cocaine frequent user be considered "normal", let's say "not addicted" if their use fall in this description we just found?

If the behavior makes the user happy and it's not a problem for them (or people around them)... would it be ok? supposing it's legal, of course.
this line of thinking can spark interesting conversations on morality, ethics and behavior.

If the behavior makes you happy, makes you money, and it's not a problem for you (or people around you), and it's legal, then I don't see any issues with that behavior.

It's not an addiction.

In fact, some of the definitions of addiction include you or someone close to you having issues with that behavior.

What you are describing is a positive activity. But in reality most addicted gamblers lose most of their money and have issues with people around them.

if you can deal well with something that is hard and maybe addictive, if it makes you happy and you make money and it's not a problem for you... is it an addiction?
that's a really interesting topic that can get quite deep, I'd be curious to hear more people's opinions on this

what do you think?

Even though he learns new skills, that doesn't guarantee he can always win at gambling games. He must remember that gambling is about winning and losing, so one cannot always win. Perhaps he can win at sports betting based on skill and luck, but for other gambling games, it doesn't seem like it will guarantee he can win easily. And when he continues to try to gamble just because he wants to win more often than other gamblers, he can become a gambler who is addicted to gambling without realizing it. That will be far from his achievement of becoming a professional gambler.

Meanwhile, to become a professional gambler, a person must have so many things to learn and practice that they cannot master them quickly. A professional gambler will try to control himself when gambling. Even if he encounters difficult opponents, nothing will affect him. He can also decide when he should stop gambling and never think about continuing gambling if the situation does not allow it.

A professional gambler can lose against a novice gambler when he loses control of himself, and a professional gambler can lose, especially if he is too persistent in gambling. Meanwhile, novice gamblers who are uncomfortable in their initial games become more and more confident with the situation in the next round. He can adapt himself well to gambling and remains calm even though he is up against a professional gambler who is experienced in gambling games. If a beginner loses control of himself due to pressure from professional gamblers and cannot resist it, he will eventually experience loss. Usually, novice gamblers will not be able to control themselves when they lose and will be provoked by their emotions due to pressure from professional gamblers. And this can be used well by a professional gambler to keep beating him until all his money is gone.

When the money begins to creep in, the newbie is most likely going to have a hard time controlling his emotions. Unless he's focused on learning new skills in gambling, he'd look out for more wins. This births the stage where the gambler has a confusing mind on what to do, as he lacks a mentor that can guide him and advise him to continue playing using is usual gambling method. Most often the player wouldn't recognize playing to enjoy the game as a good strategy, that's he'll dump it and move ahead to go for more wins. However in games other than slot, the player would need to master them to be able to win. On a lucky day, they can win while playing in the midst of a professional. It always feels good to win, but the same joy could yield reckless gambling in the journey of newbie gamblers. Newbies who began gambling in a physical casino would have some professionals to guide them on ways to gamble compared to the online casino. Like the player in your response, he'd receive advice from other gamblers on ways to maintain accurate gambling strategies, to avoid losing out more money.

A newbie has no reason to worry about his loss, instead, he should focus more on discovering how gambling works for them. Our daily gambling experiences are not similar. The reason why a professional can lose to a newbie. We don't gamble from the moon, humans come to gamble after some days of work or stress. What we think at the moment of gambling can affect the results of our predictions. Regardless of the gambler's level if his day wasn't cool and fine he'd have a hard time winning in gambling. Especially for gamblers who are dependent on the reward of gambling. Whoever must stay on the positive side of gambling, should always endeavor to keep his days emotionally stable, and avoid any form of disturbing thoughts, while gambling. As it has to deal with money and the brain. When the brain gets complicated with different thoughts and ideas combined, the player can have a hard time coming up with accurate predictions.

And that is a wrong thought that is really not recommended, honestly I can already confirm that anyone who brings such a mindset to their gambling involvement then they do not take long to enter the addiction phase. As we know that excessive expectations are always a major problem in gambling, I understand that everyone wants to win but if you try to find victory with excessive expectations and methods then the results will actually be reversed, meaning that you will even experience big problems because the methods you apply make it easy for you to end up with addiction.

The solution still goes back to the main point as a preventive measure, which is some good self-control and boundaries, I think there is no other way to deal with it so that they do not easily fall into and end up with addiction. Changing mindsets and perspectives on gambling really needs to be done, but I think on the other hand most of them don't realize that the mindset they carry is wrong, the problem is in the first thing they see which is the winning opportunities that they overestimate. I think the word success is only for the croupiers who own the casinos and not for the gamblers who are pitting their luck against luck, because obviously the ones who really earn are the casinos and not the gamblers because this is business for the casinos.

Most beginners don't think about losing and winning because they have no experience in gambling and only gamble because they are curious to see that people can win from gambling games. It encourages them to visit casinos and start depositing money for gambling. And when he is relaxed and not thinking about anything and just trying to gamble, there is a possibility that he can win because his mind is not thinking about anything. That's where some beginners can get their first win, but if they can't control themselves, they will also have the opportunity to lose the money they have won because greed starts to come in and tells them to gamble again after their first win. If he gambles against a professional gambler and wins, it might also be due to his luck.
In contrast, the professional gambler might let the novice gambler win to see his abilities. However, after playing several rounds of gambling, the professional gambler experienced a losing streak. And if he couldn't control himself and obeyed his ego, perhaps he would lose completely against the novice gambler.

That is why we should not underestimate the opponents who are playing with us and must be serious about gambling so that the results we get can also make us satisfied. The novice gambler, who is our opponent, will also feel satisfied because he has used his abilities to fight us, and even though he lost, he can learn a lesson from his loss. We can also learn that other people can be more skilled than us at gambling, and there will be people like that in gambling. And if we experience loss but cannot accept the loss, we might fall into gambling, and maybe we will also borrow money. That is a fatal mistake because, in gambling, we will not always be able to win, especially since there will be more skilled people than us. We must know ourselves and be able to decide to stop gambling even though we have experienced loss because by stopping, we are trying to prevent more losses.

A professional will not be easily affected by his emotions just because he lost in a gambling game. He will remain calm even though he has lost, and if he sees that he has no chance of winning, he will immediately end his gambling game and leave the casino. He understands that there must be other gamblers who are more skilled than him, so he cannot force himself to continue gambling because the result may be that he will suffer more losses.

There is a time for professional gamblers to continue gambling. And there comes a time for a professional gambler to stop gambling because he cannot continue gambling all his life. His position as a professional gambler will be replaced by someone else who is more skilled than him, so he must be able to understand it. A professional gambler will understand the situation and choose to resign as a professional gambler. It's enough for him to gamble, especially if a replacement exists.

Even though gambling has a profit side that can be obtained,  this profit side is still inferior to the loss side of gambling,  with those who are looking for a steady profit from gamblings  it is the same as them going through the stages of becoming addicted to gambling which will end up makings things difficult for them and you are right gambling is filled with things that are difficult to predict precisely so that many people fall into gambling and get trapped so that they end up becoming addicted. gambling and indeed I feel like that, where so far there is no one who can be called successful in gamblings, in the number of losses in gambling I think it is still on the players side, not on the casino's side because even though there are people who get big casino wins still superior in terms of profits  because they get more profits from each player,  because from one casino alone hundreds of people can play and of those who get big wins it may not be half the number but the number of people who lose and in fact in my opinion, the number of losses is greater than the number of people who win so it is impossible for  the number of people who lose to be less than the number of people who win.

and I think the casino which has the role of host will always win at gambling, even though they face a lot of people gambling but that doesn't make them suffer losses.

wise words from other people "great luck will only come to those who are willing to keep trying"
that's probably what gambling addicts experience, even though they are addicted, they never lose everything they have but always get a return that can be used to gamble again, even though it's not equivalent to a loss, but gambling addicts can always get a little profit to continue their betting sessions and of course occasionally also get big win.
and that's all because the gambling addict has knowledge and a lot of experience so he can win several times.


well, this is their own mistake for being too silly to consider gambling to make money and what's even more ridiculous is why the man wanted to double his food money while he was hungry?
this ridiculous behavior that comes from being driven by the "money" mindset is not very good in the long run, whereas we gamble just to try our luck using the remaining money from our daily needs. I sometimes also think why gamblers can think so silly that gambling can make money easily.

The thought of making a steady profits from gambling is the road to possible addiction or even grave loses at the end,  this is because,  alot of time many of those who have chosen to chase that direction have ended up losing,  and for sure if care is not taken the run into debt and that will take away every sense of success from them, gambling both to the gambler and the casino is a win some and lose some game,  as long as you have the ability to control what you chose to gamble with is enough to stay that way,  and since gambling is filled with unpredictably,  it's now a fact that we may not see anyone gambler who can be referred to as successful.

But to say who between the player vs the casino lose the most,  then I will say the player but also casinos lose as well but it's a business, any ways and gamblers know that the house edge is always there to favour the casino on the long run.

Easy to say but it is something that would inevitable to happen considering that gambling would really be involving tons of losses on which we cant really be that lucky all the time on which it would really be that inevitable that you would really be finding yourself to be that impulsive on some point. I could humbly tell that im a type of person whose discipline and having that good self control and mindset on which whenever i do decided on dealing up with things then i do really know on what i should gonna do but on the time i do made myself to have some involvement with gambling then it cant really be that resisted that there would really be a particular
time that you would be finding yourself to be partly that addicted specially on the time that you are chasing up losses.

On the time that you would be considering yourself to be that in the losing side then recovery would really be the main thing that comes up into your mind. Even if you are really that
disciplined type of person, then it cant be resisted for those emotions not to come out, if ever you've been able to experience such actions that has been made which reflects out
on being an addict then better to avoid it out and cut it off midway.

People on the pro scene especially those who play Poker couldn't really be considered as addicts, cause for one, they don't lose money when they play. Another factor that causes me to not think that they are addicts is the fact that they are sponsored by their team, and they have a real skill that brings them wins, which then in turn causes them to play more, gambling addicts on the other hand are inadvertently stuck in a perpetual loop of gambling and chasing after wins because they don't know how to stop, and they can't settle with the fact that they are not as skilled as they think they were, which turns into losses.

Plus Poker Pros know when to stop, a lot of them take home their earnings and if they couldn't bag a win they know from the get go to stop from there and ensure that they don't incur any more losses. They instead go back to the drawing board, and practice more. You can't see this happening in games where there are many gambling addicts.

I would call it a test of strength or a kind of exam for a professional player. If you endured it easily and did not succumb to emotions that affected the game, then OK. If you succumbed to emotions and started making wrong decisions that the player would not have made if he were calm, then you need to continue to learn and improve.

It is also important to remember this moment. Probably when professionals watched this excerpt, some recognized themselves in his place and laughed. However, it was a shame for those who, because of this situation, were forced to end their career as a professional player.

I don't have a problem when a person is addicted to gambling, the addiction can comes into ways for people. It can come as a blessing for people that actually knows what they are doing and it can come as enslavement for people that can't differentiate between their left from their right hand.

What I mean as a blessing is that we have some people that are addicted to gambling, they can't do a day without without risking some money into gambling but they always have a good outcome in one or two and what I like about this people is that they hardly lost everything, they often get back what they put at risk. As for the enslave gamblers, they don't make anything, they don't make good understanding of the game nor do they improvise or take a break which is bad.


You are absolutely right about self control, some people get excited at the mention of money and because gambling is one of the ways to make money, anytime they make money like this, they spent everything on gambling without taking care of their basic needs. I know of a guy that gamble food money to double the amount and when the game doesn't go as expected, he begged and disturb his friends for food. isn't that foolishness of the highest order? Gambling has a way of making some people loose the right part of their Menrula Oblongata.

In my opinion, it is the players who will lose a lot, not the host. Of course the host will always win in this case, because I personally think that in gambling there are bookies who have arranged everything well, and they will not let just anyone win, because when they hold gambling the aim is to generate their own profits, lots of the person who gambles and loses is an advantage for the host. and even if someone gets a big win, maybe it's also because luck is on their side.
Of course, it is impossible to get profits continuously, especially in gambling, in my opinion this is very rare. because if it's like that, it's possible that the host who owns the gambling casino will go bankrupt and for example, if there is a person like this in a physical casino, he always gets profitable winnings. In my opinion, the casino will not remain silent, they will suspect that person why he can always win. profitable victory, and this will be an oddity for the hosts. gamblers who always get profitable wins from gambling in my opinion is impossible.