Topic: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 15. (Read 6644 times)

Well maybe the person you mentioned is not an addict because generally speaking an addict is someone who can't miss any time not to gamble, but maybe I would say the person you mentioned is one of those people who are careless or maybe stupid to take such an aggressive approach even though they come to gamble only occasionally.

It's true and I probably wouldn't call them addicted either, but one thing you should know is that it's "the characteristics of a person/approach that will soon become addicted" as simple as that and I think it's obvious.

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If it’s in my country, the thought of writing a book with possible title as “ HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN GAMBLING “ lol it’s funny because my people always see opportunities in almost everything but nevertheless this is another opportunity to let everyone know that money answers all things  and when ever someone makes a remarkable win I think that person will automatically be taken out of the list of an addict and I think not having money is one way or the other attractive to wrong names so I wouldn’t have to blame any one’s opinion.

I think to be successful in gambling doesn't make reference only to being a gambler in profit, rather it's more about a gambler who has been betting for a long time, without compromising another sectors of his life, like businesses, career, investments, family, social circle, education and inner balance. A successful gambler is someone who embodied gambling to his life in a functional and responsible way, having this as just another aspect or activity from a wide range of practices he executes, which is quite the opposite of addicted gamblers, who focus the whole meaning of their existence into this single activity (gambling) or use it to escape from aversive conditions, responsabilities, traumas experienced in a recurrent basis.

Then we have the difference between being a profitable gambler and a successful gambler. A profitable gambler has always to be a successful gambler at same time, as he needs all the characteristics mentioned above in order to remain profitable along the time without harming his personal wealth, sources of income, family and social relationships, although a successful gambler doesn't need to be necessarily in profit to be considered so.

But think in this, if a gambler keeps gambling more than they can afford to lose, that still doesn’t mean that they are an addict. What I mean is that someone can gamble recklessly but still isn’t addicted to it. For instance, let’s say there’s someone who doesn’t gamble often but then he/she wants to gamble today but gamble just too much or unrealistic amount they can’t bear the loss for, you won’t call them addicted. Like I said, time spent is a factor that shows addiction but even that isn’t always addiction. Addiction is more like the urge to always do something.

To be honest, I've always cringed whenever I come across the term or such phrase as "successful gambler", it makes me to ask if there are truly successful gambler out there, whom we can truely refer to as successful gamblers because gambling is the only thing they do for a living and are making enough money from it to the extent that they are making enough money from it and can afford the average good things of live?

I ask this because, to me, I have not seen a successful gambler who's only source of income is gambling, all the people I have seen and are refered to as successful gamblers usually are into multiple things having a business running for them somewhere, trading and investment in various places, while also gambling.

Can such persons be considered as successful gamblers when it's clear that gambling is not the only source of their wealth?.

I think it is quite the opposite of what you have described. Now I agree that people are looked at in a bad way when they gamble a lot, but for as long as they are successful, nobody can really make a point against them. This is not what I deem correct, but it is how it is. If the poker player wins all the time because he has a few incredibly lucky years, then he is a mastermind. When you are successful in something, may it be because of luck or skill, it is easy to sell a story. But the tough times start when someone is out of luck for a while because there are no more headlines or positive talk.

I think this is also good to draw a line between things that are considered gambling and things that are considered skill based activities, like chess. Magnus Carlsen will beat me 1,000 times a in row in any variant of chess, but he will never beat me 1,000 times in a row in poker or any other game that involves luck. Different levels of luck, but still luck. Success can camouflage a lot of issues. Imagine someone making millions gambling, what good reason would there be to not be that person in that moment? But once bad times kick in, nobody wants to be the gambler anymore.

In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Sometimes I like to hear some suggestions from people including some here, they suggest that make gambling a hobby and not the main focus for earning, the purpose of them saying that is indeed for the better but the ideas and alternatives they convey are really not a solution, which means I think it's not a good idea at all when they suggest making gambling a hobby, you have explained a little here that even if gamblers address gambling as a hobby but it still costs money and has the possibility to lose money, there is no change in the context of that idea for a gambler.

I think what is better is that if they really want to quit then somehow they should avoid and never touch gambling again, borrowing money is not recommended at all and it will only make the situation and conditions worse, instead of wanting to get a lot of money by winning but what happens is the opposite is that they lose a lot of money, and it becomes a new problem if the money they allocate is borrowed money.

Yeah there is a far difference between an addicts and a successful gamblers and first we have to point out whois successful gamblers is and what makes one to arrive at that state because before you declare someone as successful there are criteria that the person must meet before categorizing them as successful,  and this is why we can't compare both and addicts vs a successful gamblers.

I gambling addicts have no basis to gamble other than to run after their addictions and for sure he have a feature which is loss,  debts and all manner of negative vibes that will stand against them but a successful gambler will have a long track record of winning and good management of a resource that makes him successful.

When a certain person who would really be having plans on dealing up with gambling then it would really be just that only having these possible reasons.

1. Playing just for fun and leisure
2. Solely for making money

We do know that option #2 would really be the main reason on why people would really be pushed up on playing up more just because on making that money and since they do able
to see that it is really just that easy on the time that they would be testing out. Well, it cant really be denied that you would really be able to get that kind of opportunity
if you are really that lucky enough but it is really just that too dangerous if you do really let yourself that believing into those things which are really that
close to impossible to happen.

Once you do get yourself on becoming an addict then getting out would really be that so damn hard. Not all people would really be
able to succeed to get out once  they've been shackled. This is why we should really be that careful.

The purpose why some people gamble is not because they like gambling and risk, it is because they don't have any option left and that is why they just gamble if not I believe no sane person will see a good method of making money with less risk and will want gambling, only a psychopaths' person who is demonic with money love will do that except for person that loves to spend his time and not doing it for the sake of money but the fun and entertainment as primary way to spend good time.

We have gamblers that were successful, made their first hit and they never return again. The money that was made was invested into real estate and they are doing fine today by not addicted or even looking back because as I said the other time, many people are doing gambling because they want money, as soon as the money is around and they have what they want, they don't come back again which is good, the second they have that thought, they might lose everything back into the platform.

So what is the difference between an addict and a hobby? Even though they have the same meaning, they are different in terms of words.

Someone who has a hobby of gambling can also spend whatever money they want depending on what that person does, sometimes it is very difficult to separate people who are addicted or have a hobby from stopping it, but they can just wait for their money to run out, but there are many ways for them to make money by borrowing it. or sell as many items as possible to stimulate curiosity in achieving victory in gambling..

TL;dr I'd have to ask you one question, did you read the book by William Glassers titled Positive Addiction or did you only search on Google and send a screenshot of the highlights? did you read the same article you sent me the link to in the first place? could you at least read the introduction section of the second link you sent in your response, you'd understand that sometimes when you see a highlight it doesn't justify the article. In the research, the psychologist tried to define positive addiction, which in my terms is a positive habit, as any activity that helps in healing a person who is addicted to gambling, drugs, sex, etc. And whatever activity that affects or makes the brain high can be an addiction, even though it's not a substance. I'm glad at some point in your response, the few parts I read, that you said the link is not related to gambling. How would you link prayer addiction to justifying a positive gambling addiction? And tried to devaluate my valid point of using drug addiction as an example.

I'm not saying you're wrong, neither is the writer of the links you sent. But, I have to tell you that none of the above is correct, it's just personal perspectives from society. In your best interest, not every research you see on Google's first page would you consider right and use in an argument, those are their perspectives and nobody is accurate in literature, including myself. If you don't agree with my perspective I understand pretty well and would take it as your response, it may be valid to you and many other people, but can never be accepted by a lot of reasonable people that some gambling addiction is positive. It's all negative, set aside some time and read the same backup you used in the response and you'll understand better. And if you've not read William Glasser's book titled Positive Addiction, you shouldn't use it in an argument, as you may not have known the context of the work. Don't judge a book by its cover, and I'd add, that you shouldn't judge a book by its title. We only have good habits. Gambling addiction is negative. Using prayer-related terms to justify positive addiction in all other activities of life is worthless. No positive mental disorder, gambling addiction is a mental disorder. Goodluck.

Obviously we cannot say that if a person spend this much hours or this much money, then he is classified as gambling addicts. In my opinion, if a person gamblers more than his capacity in terms of time or money, then he can be called as gambling addict.

If a gambler keep on gambling with money he can't afford to lose and do not stop gamble then he is addict. Also if anyone spends more time in gambling and he fails to do other important task in his life and focus only on gambling then he is gambling addict. Here we do not consider whether he is losing or winning in gambling, in both cases we consider that he is addicted to gambling.

Well, even if you don't believe it, there are many things here that can surprise you, and people who also do things that other Countries see as strange but that are normal here, there are people here who are like that, they can be in a place without doing an activity and They like it and it entertains them to be there, in the caisno there are no people who only go to see, so that they can give them drinks, food, enjoying music, and watching others play, there are also some that, believe it or not, someone comes to play and They seek conversation and begin to make friends, perhaps the culture is more focused on making friends for anything, it is very easy to socialize for some, what I say is that when you try to be in places like that, you can So maybe in other countries the Peroans are very focused on doing something in particular and do not socialize Quickly , here things for some like that, in this order of ideas when we are going to consider other things in the casinos they can be that way.

It may be that this type of Person is the one who will Always be in the Casinos and they decide to play only when they feel motivated to do so, and they play fast, sometimes there are people who are like that, it is a matter of knowing what is the Only thing what other People want , Each person is a world, they have their customs and traditions, sometimes one begins to think that there are people like that, well yes, they are people who like that, there are some who go to the casino and do nothing, A long time ago when I was at the U, I saw an older man at the roulette wheel, all he did was watch, he was never good, he just watched and entertained himself, it was like that, whenever he was there, but he didn't socialize, he just I looked at the wheel and wrote down nnumbers, the truth is I don't know what I was looking for, but that's how it happened, what I could see was that some people are strange in that sense, I can only say if I have encountered people like that , it Seems to me that It's normal, it doesn't surprise me.

An addiction is basically any behavior that is causing you problems in any areas of your life.

So, for example if you are spending too much time or attention on gambling, even in the theoretical scenario where you are not losing money, then you would probably not spend enough time with your friends, family, work, entertainment, etc.

It's not a one size fits all approach, some people might be addicted at different levels.

Yes I thought the same thing and the casino wants the money back after the player earns or gets the jackpot from the game at least this is the real purpose they give some VIP perks just to make the player "Feel Good about it" and spend more.

Online casino, they give some free spins and deposit bonus with of course they need to wager x20 from their bonuses.

I’d say that gambling addiction has to do with the inability to do without gambling. So if you gamble all day or night because you can’t just stop then you’re addicted. But then, it is possible for someone to gamble very often but they aren’t addicted (they are trying to make more money but can sincerely stop if they wanted). With this, we can say that it doesn’t mean the time spent (though it can show in the time spent). But society thinks of it as addiction when you’re losing. If you’re always winning, they’ll talk about you and say good things and how you’re able to win so much. But when you’re losing? They’ll say you’re useless and just addicted to gambling. I don’t think this is uncommon.

Their was many people in the list of making big win in the recent gambling history,previously the gamblers only make the money in the lottery.Now many gambling site allow them to make money in their gambling site.Because now many gamblers was using the gambling site in the world wide by the accessibility.The gambling sites now open to the world population,because only the origin nation alone know about that gambling site.But now many gamblers had their win using their own gambling strategies in the gambling site.

Well, let me first say I appreciate your time to make your opinion known, after all, we are all contributing here. But at times, if it's getting to this point of ours, I think it's wise for either of us to go external to research this to ascertain the truth. You know, at times, if we limit it to our understanding alone, we might never move forward in understanding. When I first saw your reply, truly, I was shocked because you are the only one who refuted what I wrote, others agreed to it. And this can only be for a reason, you might not actually know that it is pointing to, even if it is confusing, and whether you like it or not, if a thing is right, nothing can change that fact. When I was replying to you, I never checked for any external articles until our posts had gone back and forth replies. Thereafter, I resorted to external knowledge, and fortunately, I was sided in this argument. It's not about who is wrong or right now but eventually establishing a fact. However, the truth as the case may be, I believe the links below should shed more light on this. Maybe you don't know the meaning of addiction itself. it's the feelings for anything you like to do often and when missed you don't feel good about it. If you can agree that gambling is addictive even people, at the same time some people will always run to it for either fun or money, and this same gambling can make this person lose (negative aspect). It also makes some people win consistently (positive). How do you now entirely say all addictions are bad (negative)? Is this not plain enough? You might want to make your research far or near, it will not change the fact that there are also positive addictions, and all addictions cannot be negative, it's only the negative part that people often focus on and abuse due to its harmful side. But for positive addiction, since it doesn't affect negatively, people often forget about it while some don't even give it a thought at all.

Frankly, I don't know why you relate this to drugs whatsoever, it further shows you do not understand what we are saying here. Drugs can never be positive to anyone, for what temporary gains which will subside over time and will continue to take hold of the victim and ruin the system and brain of the person unless the supervised ones and the ones they use in medicine? Common! Is gambling like that without any positive stories? Can't gambling earn you money? We are talking about gambling and positive addiction, you had better leave drugs out of it, and all those dangerous things that negate positivity which is the context here.


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[1] https://mpowerwellness.com/healthy-addictions/
[2] Positive addiction]

Conclusively, you can relate the below links and the images thereof to whether or not there is a positive addiction. You can naturally relate them to gambling since they are not gambling articles. I must even say that it surprised me that someone would emphasise that there is no positive addiction. If the context is not mentioned often in gambling, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anything you love doing very much, it could be a hobby anything whatsoever you can be addicted to them, and this doesn't necessarily mean that it will be that they will be hard on you. The same goes for gambling as well, earning regularly doesn't mean you are not addicted to it, and it's not all addictions that are negative/harmful.