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Yes, it reminds me of a professional athlete who needs to constantly stay in shape otherwise equally strong players will try to unseat him. Instead of training in the gym, a professional poker player needs training on a poker simulator with a detailed analysis of the hand or with a coach who will share subtle secrets with us. Also, for an athlete, muscle mass is important, while for a poker player, a flexible brain is important.

Yes, what matters to them is not winning in the first place, but how the process of achieving this occurs. This is the key idea. While an ordinary player has only winning in his head, and then everything else, such people will never be able to win.

Yes, that's what someone has to do to become a professional in their field. If a gambler wants to become a professional gambler, he must train his skills well to improve his abilities. And by continuously practicing their skills, they can become professional gamblers. But it can also make aspiring professional gamblers addicted to gambling because if they don't train themselves well, they will just keep practicing it without stopping.

And it wouldn't be worth it if they had succeeded in becoming professional gamblers, but they also became gamblers who were addicted to gambling. So those who want to become professionals must be careful and always pay attention to their self-control so that it doesn't weaken and they can continue to train their abilities.

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I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.

I see your point and it is valid for some instances, there are gambler who can play few games with decent bankroll and manage to win huge,
they are just too good, and they've got control over their emotions.

They use that experienced not to fall with greed, they are not addicted as they don't need to stay longer and play more just to satisfy the need of gambling.

Else, they are using that experienced as an edge for their gambling participation and make decent profits.

How many games that are truly categorized as gambling are there that allow you to win big when you can control your emotions? What if I am a dumb fuck, full of emotions and put all my money on a number in roulette and win? All this talk about controlling emotions may apply to some games where skill still plays a role, like in poker, but even there the players with the highest control over their emotions have no long term guarantee to be a winner. The word gambling implies that it is a game of chance. You can slightly increase your chance when you avoid bad moves, irrational moves, but after all it's still whether luck is with you or not.

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ohh I see, maybe there are people like that but I myself don't know what the purpose of those who are like that by going to the casino just to watch. do you mean the casino gives free food and drinks?
that makes sense, maybe they are there to make friends with the aim of just watching but on the other hand they are looking for friends and maybe they also aim to find good people to offer them to join gambling where they are given capital by people they just met, but this is unlikely to happen because it is unethical if we also finance gamblers who do not have money. but no one knows what actions will be taken by someone if we find people who we think are fun and good, sometimes myself if I find new friends who are fun and good I want to give them some money or gifts that's how I feel. This makes sense in casinos there may also be people who want to socialize not only to gamble, because the nature of each person is also different, so maybe it's true that there are some people who go to casinos not to gamble but to make friends or to socialize, and I also think this is not wrong, but the question is, do casinos allow entry to people who just want to watch, I mean do they allow someone to enter but not to gamble? because I myself have never set foot in a physical casino.

maybe you mean those who go to the casino to observe the game and when he finds an opening or motivation like you said that then he immediately plays quickly this makes sense, I have also seen this but in a movie hahaha Grin

. maybe some people who do this because they have their own skills where they have thoughts and instincts on gambling that lead to victory. also like you said that, indeed I also think there are people like that, and I think there are also people who have a lot of money but don't do gambling where they go to the casino just to watch it, also there are old people who don't have good health like people who can't walk and they tend to use wheelchairs, but usually people like this tend to be rich people who have a lot of money, and they seek pleasure only in gambling. it seems that we will find a variety of different people in the casino because it is one of the places where many people gather to seek pleasure or other things such as finding friends to socialize.

Well, I could say that yes, in particular I have always seen people like that in places, not only in casinos but in almost all possible things that are fun or places that provide a service where the presence of people is sometimes necessary , and it is incredible but there are People who are like this all the time, there is a very curious fact, where I live in the capital there is a very famous square and there there are many quite advanced people who have their chess boards and they start playing They play chess all day there, and they make bets, the bets can be very low, for example about 5 dollars, but these old guys are Serious , because when they play they can do it all day and if they Maintain the level, they are able to play up to 10 games of chess are there in front of everyone and when you see that in the square you can see up to 20 people like that with their boards and Whoever can get there and challenge them , they play, they don't suffer from those fears.

When you play there, the level they have is impressive, they are very strategic. And at least with 3 games I play and with a high level, I get tired, they don't, they maintain the level, and if there is a person who reaches play with them, everyone stands around to see how the others play, and if they are playing, it is impressive how they make things look, just as there are some who play, there are others who come just to watch, they go and have Lunch on the street, and they go back to the court just to see how the others play, and then they play, they talk until other players arrive to play, and they are happy like that , chess is not a game of chance but they make it almost like that, and I find that very interesting because they make it seem that things , whatever they can, first, not get tired, see it as a habit, second, they entertain themselves, those who play the most win money, and fourth of all, they realize and When they see the Final of the game , they win. late that most of them leave and then the next day they arrive very early, just like this experience, they do the same with a casino.

okay, we agree on that, where there are people whose goal is to socialize by looking for new friends to chat with or for other things, and your story is quite reasonable, now where is someone who challenges themselves or others to be successful with In my opinion gambling is very difficult to happen, because the percentage of losses is greater than the percentage of wins, unless they play one on one games like the chess you mentioned, if they play chess and make bets then in this one game it is clear that skill which is needed because the game of chess certainly requires good thinking to be able to win, but with slot gambling it doesn't require good skills because everyone can do it, unlike chess because chess requires good skills, not everyone can do it, and Let me straighten out, someone who is successful by gambling I don't think they should be called an addict, because gambling is based on luck which can happen at any time, for example someone who is gambling for the first time and he has strong luck so that in his first gambling game he wins. A big win can also change their lifestyle and life statistics, this doesn't mean they are addicted to gambling because by just playing one game they have won a big win that can change their life drastically.

there are some people who are like that, they come just to watch and chances are they can also do that because they are interested in the games there and with bets that make them happy if they win, it's a different story if they lose. someone who is easily influenced will easily be attracted to trivial things that they think are fun, such as gambling, by just seeing other people doing it and they themselves think it is fun then it is possible that they will do the same thing as well as gambling, but there are also things that cannot be followed namely luck, where someone is successful with gambling and other people want to do it too but it is unlikely that this can be done because based on the luck they have, it will definitely be different. if they see other people being successful with gambling then they will gamble and the chances are that they can't stop because they want to get the same thing, and someone who is successful with gambling should not be seen as an addict, unless they have really spent a lot the money is used for gambling and one day they get a big win then they can be called an addict.

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I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.

I see your point and it is valid for some instances, there are gambler who can play few games with decent bankroll and manage to win huge,
they are just too good, and they've got control over their emotions.

They use that experienced not to fall with greed, they are not addicted as they don't need to stay longer and play more just to satisfy the need of gambling.

Else, they are using that experienced as an edge for their gambling participation and make decent profits.

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Quote from: DubemIfedigbo001 on December 21, 2023, 11:47:26 AM

When you say successful gambler, do you mean a gambler who has won more than he has lost, or do you mean a gambler who is addicted enough that he doesn't do any other thing apart from gambling?.
If the second one is the case, then the person isn't successful at all, why because gambling is never a profession and should be discouraged for someone in his right senses choosing to do nothing else than gambling. Its wrong in many ramifications. Unless he's owning a gambling platform, the decision is a disastrous one as gambling is not a certain hustle that you can rely on, there are good days and bad days and the bad days comes with a great disadvantage that the person involved will be so discouraged and frustrated that he/she will sought other ways to make up and out of pressure, he might choose the wrong way and get himself into addiction troubles to meet up with necessities.
In A nutshell, if you're lucky enough to be getting wins in gambling, its not a criteria to take it as a career as its just a fun medium and should be treated as such no matter what as the repercussions of depending on gambling might be far detrimental then ever imaginable when the tables turn around.

Gambling is not a profession and I don't think that anyone can be successful gambler. I haven't seen anyone that has won more than he has lost in gambling. This is why anyone that is gambling needs to caution himself so that he doesn't become an addict because when you allow gambling take over you, because you think you can be successful with it, you will bring frustration upon yourself.

I will say that gambling is more of a guess thing and such activity should be relied on. The only person that can say is a successful gambler, is that gambler that after winning big, he invested the money in a business and quits gambling finally. But if the person is still gambling, he will loose everything back to gambling because he is greedy and will want to win again.

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I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.

But successful gamblers also need skills, and they even learn new skills to be able to win. Even though learning new skills takes time, they are willing to spend the time to improve the skills needed to gamble to win. And we have to know that when he learns new skills, he can still control himself in gambling because he knows that it is important for him to maintain.

We also don't know for sure whether successful gamblers are among those who are addicted to gambling. But they don't seem to be addicted to gambling because they have better self-control than most gamblers, and they also know what to do if something doesn't go as they expected. Those who are successful in gambling can remain in control while gambling without having the desire to chase after winnings if they win because they know it will only make them forget themselves.

Yes, it reminds me of a professional athlete who needs to constantly stay in shape otherwise equally strong players will try to unseat him. Instead of training in the gym, a professional poker player needs training on a poker simulator with a detailed analysis of the hand or with a coach who will share subtle secrets with us. Also, for an athlete, muscle mass is important, while for a poker player, a flexible brain is important.

Yes, what matters to them is not winning in the first place, but how the process of achieving this occurs. This is the key idea. While an ordinary player has only winning in his head, and then everything else, such people will never be able to win.

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When you say successful gambler, do you mean a gambler who has won more than he has lost, or do you mean a gambler who is addicted enough that he doesn't do any other thing apart from gambling?.
If the second one is the case, then the person isn't successful at all, why because gambling is never a profession and should be discouraged for someone in his right senses choosing to do nothing else than gambling. Its wrong in many ramifications. Unless he's owning a gambling platform, the decision is a disastrous one as gambling is not a certain hustle that you can rely on, there are good days and bad days and the bad days comes with a great disadvantage that the person involved will be so discouraged and frustrated that he/she will sought other ways to make up and out of pressure, he might choose the wrong way and get himself into addiction troubles to meet up with necessities.
In A nutshell, if you're lucky enough to be getting wins in gambling, its not a criteria to take it as a career as its just a fun medium and should be treated as such no matter what as the repercussions of depending on gambling might be far detrimental then ever imaginable when the tables turn around.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Even I think that those who are successful gamblers cannot be seen as addicts. In fact they are the survivors.
If they were addicts then they would be keeping on playing and losing money.
Since they have become successful, they would have found way to control their emotions and manage the risks in gambling.
Such people cannot be called as addicts from my perspective.

Perhaps the word success is meant in this context and more precisely is success or success in managing the gambler's own finances and self-control which means that they know what to do and what not to do when in certain situations, the success referred to is not success in general which is like people achieving success in the business world which means that there is a high point that has been reached, because of course in gambling there are no stages other than coming with money as capital and going home with an answer between winning or losing.

Another thing is that of course I quite agree with your idea that successful gamblers cannot be called addicts, which actually there is a significant difference if we dig deeper, successful gamblers are as I and you have mentioned that they manage their gambling activities well so that they do not cause many problems in their lives, especially in their finances, while addicted gamblers they simply cannot miss a single time not to gamble, which means they are excessive and have an approach that can be said to be aggressive, so maybe I think another word for successful gamblers is those who are smart.

Certainly. Success in gambling can have different meanings. For some, being a successful gambler can be just winning money.
For some, it can be managing their expenses and not lose a lot of money. For some, it can be playing regularly.
A lot of it depends on the context and a lot of it depends on the players perspective. So the answer to OP's question cannot be really answered.
The question itself depends on ones' perspective and so the answer would determine the context of the question.

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I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.

But successful gamblers also need skills, and they even learn new skills to be able to win. Even though learning new skills takes time, they are willing to spend the time to improve the skills needed to gamble to win. And we have to know that when he learns new skills, he can still control himself in gambling because he knows that it is important for him to maintain.

We also don't know for sure whether successful gamblers are among those who are addicted to gambling. But they don't seem to be addicted to gambling because they have better self-control than most gamblers, and they also know what to do if something doesn't go as they expected. Those who are successful in gambling can remain in control while gambling without having the desire to chase after winnings if they win because they know it will only make them forget themselves.

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Quote from: hedgeh0g on December 20, 2023, 04:08:56 PM

I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: junder on December 19, 2023, 10:27:48 PM

ohh I see, maybe there are people like that but I myself don't know what the purpose of those who are like that by going to the casino just to watch. do you mean the casino gives free food and drinks?
that makes sense, maybe they are there to make friends with the aim of just watching but on the other hand they are looking for friends and maybe they also aim to find good people to offer them to join gambling where they are given capital by people they just met, but this is unlikely to happen because it is unethical if we also finance gamblers who do not have money. but no one knows what actions will be taken by someone if we find people who we think are fun and good, sometimes myself if I find new friends who are fun and good I want to give them some money or gifts that's how I feel. This makes sense in casinos there may also be people who want to socialize not only to gamble, because the nature of each person is also different, so maybe it's true that there are some people who go to casinos not to gamble but to make friends or to socialize, and I also think this is not wrong, but the question is, do casinos allow entry to people who just want to watch, I mean do they allow someone to enter but not to gamble? because I myself have never set foot in a physical casino.

maybe you mean those who go to the casino to observe the game and when he finds an opening or motivation like you said that then he immediately plays quickly this makes sense, I have also seen this but in a movie hahaha Grin

. maybe some people who do this because they have their own skills where they have thoughts and instincts on gambling that lead to victory. also like you said that, indeed I also think there are people like that, and I think there are also people who have a lot of money but don't do gambling where they go to the casino just to watch it, also there are old people who don't have good health like people who can't walk and they tend to use wheelchairs, but usually people like this tend to be rich people who have a lot of money, and they seek pleasure only in gambling. it seems that we will find a variety of different people in the casino because it is one of the places where many people gather to seek pleasure or other things such as finding friends to socialize.

Well, I could say that yes, in particular I have always seen people like that in places, not only in casinos but in almost all possible things that are fun or places that provide a service where the presence of people is sometimes necessary , and it is incredible but there are People who are like this all the time, there is a very curious fact, where I live in the capital there is a very famous square and there there are many quite advanced people who have their chess boards and they start playing They play chess all day there, and they make bets, the bets can be very low, for example about 5 dollars, but these old guys are Serious , because when they play they can do it all day and if they Maintain the level, they are able to play up to 10 games of chess are there in front of everyone and when you see that in the square you can see up to 20 people like that with their boards and Whoever can get there and challenge them , they play, they don't suffer from those fears.

When you play there, the level they have is impressive, they are very strategic. And at least with 3 games I play and with a high level, I get tired, they don't, they maintain the level, and if there is a person who reaches play with them, everyone stands around to see how the others play, and if they are playing, it is impressive how they make things look, just as there are some who play, there are others who come just to watch, they go and have Lunch on the street, and they go back to the court just to see how the others play, and then they play, they talk until other players arrive to play, and they are happy like that , chess is not a game of chance but they make it almost like that, and I find that very interesting because they make it seem that things , whatever they can, first, not get tired, see it as a habit, second, they entertain themselves, those who play the most win money, and fourth of all, they realize and When they see the Final of the game , they win. late that most of them leave and then the next day they arrive very early, just like this experience, they do the same with a casino.

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Seems contradictory but theres also the possibility of just being lucky. If continually gambling, never taking cash off the table and hoping for the streak to continue then that could be seen as a problem gambler. Not knowing or being able to stop at logical points such as being tired or having already done that well that evening would suggest possibly a problem could develop not that it must do so. Always try to bet less at times, I do know some people only want to bet more which is where it will lead to a problem I think stay regular and stick to some plan dont just react in a moment.

I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.

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Indeed, some gamblers, after they're done earning big in gambling won't have any reason to gamble anymore. These types of gamblers won't be seen as addicts like Oktana suggested, it's more of a habit and they can easily let go of gambling whenever they wish. However, it could be difficult for some gamblers to stop gambling after winning a significant sum of money through gambling, it's rare to get those who invest in real estate and set up businesses using their winning. Recently the results always show of gamblers who would spend all their winnings back to the house. Even when a gambler does that, it still doesn't sound like addiction if he's in control of all his gambling actions. Yet, if care is not taken the gambler would miss out on his control and then chase after the money he just spent on gambling.

We are not allowed to generalize in any gambling situation, but players do change in attitude and we may not detect who will become addicted to gambling. Whether successful or not. Hence, the question should be who has the most self-control, if a successful gambler doesn't keep up with his discipline he can fail and vice versa. And we shouldn't consider the general opinions of society on issues they know nothing about. Those who lose in gambling are being looked down upon, in society, and some naive players who feel inferior to those ill treatments spend their own money to prove to their friends that they're also winning in gambling. Putting themselves into a more hard condition and suffering. Players who do it for the fun would care less about the hearsay of their close friends. Most times we get those backbites when we lose, not just in gambling. It's a natural reaction, the loser has no parent, and the winner has so many parents. Gambling isn't exempted, provided money is involved.

It's practically true that some gamblers who have won a lot of money may feel compelled to win more due to the overwhelming pleasure and greed they experience, especially if they win an enormous amount of money. Some people who are aware of their limit will also gradually stop gambling since they are already satisfied and only want to recover the money they had lost from gambling. Some gamblers are also dissatisfied with their winnings and have experienced so many losses that they have begun to chase losses, which is what leads to addiction.

Gamblers' lifestyles are also influenced by their mental state, which is beyond our control. True, a lot depends on the people around you. It is common for many people to consider themselves to have a huge impact on your life, regardless of whether you gamble or not. Even if they believe that all you desire is to improve yourself, they will still criticize you for your actions. Up until the point at which you feel driven to convince everyone that you achieved, thinking, "I must prove something." being desperate to prove to everyone that you succeeded. If and only if you choose the right path, since some people tend to suddenly deviate from it.
The same is true with gambling; even if you win, many people will respect you and ask you about your strategies or offer you lots of advice on how to improve your game. On the other hand, if you lose, many people will doubt you and assume that you are an addicted gambler who only plays to win money but still ends up losing. Cry

The mental state of every gambler is crucial in preparing him for a better gambling journey; good or bad. Gamblers who didn't start gambling with the right orientation end up facing rough gambling experiences in the future. As they may not be able to handle their current gambling problem. Hence, they'll feel that every gambler feels the same way. And would continue moving towards the same route, then end up losing out on the self-control battle and causing their mental health to get bad and unstable. Watching closely the life of most addicts, you'd notice that at some point they tend to have a rethink, and in a few minutes they'll go back to gambling. The mental health of the gambler has gotten unstable and may need to be fixed or cured through therapy. When in therapy the healing process still points back to the addict's gambling starting point. Newbies are required to be cautious about gambling the very first day they get into gambling. People think that being careful as a gambler is only for the pros or the players who have been in the niche for a long period. Gambling doesn't recognize any newbie or pro, anybody who pays no attention to his mental health or self-concept may find himself subject to problem gambling.

Lack of control, only destroys the gambling journey of most gamblers, thereby leading them to make mistakes like taking loans, spending all their money, and losing productivity. Successful gamblers stay careful not to be carried away, and most of them tend to obey the few gambling techniques or strategies, and then optimize those methods to fit into their gambling strategy. Whether they win or lose, they remain successful and won't suffer problem gambling. Some who spend out few hours gambling, don't mind stopping immediately after they win money, the game continues until the duration is over. And the gambler will never play again, not minding the recent results, win or lose. Successful gamblers have good mind control over what they see in gambling. That's why most people love them, because, despite being active gamblers they don't get addicted or misbehave in society.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Even I think that those who are successful gamblers cannot be seen as addicts. In fact they are the survivors.
If they were addicts then they would be keeping on playing and losing money.
Since they have become successful, they would have found way to control their emotions and manage the risks in gambling.
Such people cannot be called as addicts from my perspective.

Survivors indeed and it would be that safe to assume out that these successful gamblers are to those people who did able to survive out that addiction that gambling brings on which we can assume
that there would really comes a time that you would really be that become that impulsive when it comes to betting or making some gambling because we dont really like to lose
money and it is really just that normal that people would really be sharing up on the same sentiment or reaction when it comes to this. This is why it would be always best that you should really
know on when to quit up and stop on the time that you do see that you are already going past beyond your limits because going over or beyond it does signifies that addiction
is already that severe.

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Even I think that those who are successful gamblers cannot be seen as addicts. In fact they are the survivors.
If they were addicts then they would be keeping on playing and losing money.
Since they have become successful, they would have found way to control their emotions and manage the risks in gambling.
Such people cannot be called as addicts from my perspective.

Perhaps the word success is meant in this context and more precisely is success or success in managing the gambler's own finances and self-control which means that they know what to do and what not to do when in certain situations, the success referred to is not success in general which is like people achieving success in the business world which means that there is a high point that has been reached, because of course in gambling there are no stages other than coming with money as capital and going home with an answer between winning or losing.

Another thing is that of course I quite agree with your idea that successful gamblers cannot be called addicts, which actually there is a significant difference if we dig deeper, successful gamblers are as I and you have mentioned that they manage their gambling activities well so that they do not cause many problems in their lives, especially in their finances, while addicted gamblers they simply cannot miss a single time not to gamble, which means they are excessive and have an approach that can be said to be aggressive, so maybe I think another word for successful gamblers is those who are smart.

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I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

Even I think that those who are successful gamblers cannot be seen as addicts. In fact they are the survivors.
If they were addicts then they would be keeping on playing and losing money.
Since they have become successful, they would have found way to control their emotions and manage the risks in gambling.
Such people cannot be called as addicts from my perspective.

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I’d say that gambling addiction has to do with the inability to do without gambling. So if you gamble all day or night because you can’t just stop then you’re addicted. But then, it is possible for someone to gamble very often but they aren’t addicted (they are trying to make more money but can sincerely stop if they wanted). With this, we can say that it doesn’t mean the time spent (though it can show in the time spent). But society thinks of it as addiction when you’re losing. If you’re always winning, they’ll talk about you and say good things and how you’re able to win so much. But when you’re losing? They’ll say you’re useless and just addicted to gambling. I don’t think this is uncommon.

The purpose why some people gamble is not because they like gambling and risk, it is because they don't have any option left and that is why they just gamble if not I believe no sane person will see a good method of making money with less risk and will want gambling, only a psychopaths' person who is demonic with money love will do that except for person that loves to spend his time and not doing it for the sake of money but the fun and entertainment as primary way to spend good time.

We have gamblers that were successful, made their first hit and they never return again. The money that was made was invested into real estate and they are doing fine today by not addicted or even looking back because as I said the other time, many people are doing gambling because they want money, as soon as the money is around and they have what they want, they don't come back again which is good, the second they have that thought, they might lose everything back into the platform.

Indeed, some gamblers, after they're done earning big in gambling won't have any reason to gamble anymore. These types of gamblers won't be seen as addicts like Oktana suggested, it's more of a habit and they can easily let go of gambling whenever they wish. However, it could be difficult for some gamblers to stop gambling after winning a significant sum of money through gambling, it's rare to get those who invest in real estate and set up businesses using their winning. Recently the results always show of gamblers who would spend all their winnings back to the house. Even when a gambler does that, it still doesn't sound like addiction if he's in control of all his gambling actions. Yet, if care is not taken the gambler would miss out on his control and then chase after the money he just spent on gambling.

We are not allowed to generalize in any gambling situation, but players do change in attitude and we may not detect who will become addicted to gambling. Whether successful or not. Hence, the question should be who has the most self-control, if a successful gambler doesn't keep up with his discipline he can fail and vice versa. And we shouldn't consider the general opinions of society on issues they know nothing about. Those who lose in gambling are being looked down upon, in society, and some naive players who feel inferior to those ill treatments spend their own money to prove to their friends that they're also winning in gambling. Putting themselves into a more hard condition and suffering. Players who do it for the fun would care less about the hearsay of their close friends. Most times we get those backbites when we lose, not just in gambling. It's a natural reaction, the loser has no parent, and the winner has so many parents. Gambling isn't exempted, provided money is involved.

It's practically true that some gamblers who have won a lot of money may feel compelled to win more due to the overwhelming pleasure and greed they experience, especially if they win an enormous amount of money. Some people who are aware of their limit will also gradually stop gambling since they are already satisfied and only want to recover the money they had lost from gambling. Some gamblers are also dissatisfied with their winnings and have experienced so many losses that they have begun to chase losses, which is what leads to addiction.

Gamblers' lifestyles are also influenced by their mental state, which is beyond our control. True, a lot depends on the people around you. It is common for many people to consider themselves to have a huge impact on your life, regardless of whether you gamble or not. Even if they believe that all you desire is to improve yourself, they will still criticize you for your actions. Up until the point at which you feel driven to convince everyone that you achieved, thinking, "I must prove something." being desperate to prove to everyone that you succeeded. If and only if you choose the right path, since some people tend to suddenly deviate from it.
The same is true with gambling; even if you win, many people will respect you and ask you about your strategies or offer you lots of advice on how to improve your game. On the other hand, if you lose, many people will doubt you and assume that you are an addicted gambler who only plays to win money but still ends up losing. Cry

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Quote from: Antotena on December 19, 2023, 12:43:32 PM

Quote from: oktana on December 18, 2023, 01:12:35 PM

I’d say that gambling addiction has to do with the inability to do without gambling. So if you gamble all day or night because you can’t just stop then you’re addicted. But then, it is possible for someone to gamble very often but they aren’t addicted (they are trying to make more money but can sincerely stop if they wanted). With this, we can say that it doesn’t mean the time spent (though it can show in the time spent). But society thinks of it as addiction when you’re losing. If you’re always winning, they’ll talk about you and say good things and how you’re able to win so much. But when you’re losing? They’ll say you’re useless and just addicted to gambling. I don’t think this is uncommon.

The purpose why some people gamble is not because they like gambling and risk, it is because they don't have any option left and that is why they just gamble if not I believe no sane person will see a good method of making money with less risk and will want gambling, only a psychopaths' person who is demonic with money love will do that except for person that loves to spend his time and not doing it for the sake of money but the fun and entertainment as primary way to spend good time.

We have gamblers that were successful, made their first hit and they never return again. The money that was made was invested into real estate and they are doing fine today by not addicted or even looking back because as I said the other time, many people are doing gambling because they want money, as soon as the money is around and they have what they want, they don't come back again which is good, the second they have that thought, they might lose everything back into the platform.

Indeed, some gamblers, after they're done earning big in gambling won't have any reason to gamble anymore. These types of gamblers won't be seen as addicts like Oktana suggested, it's more of a habit and they can easily let go of gambling whenever they wish. However, it could be difficult for some gamblers to stop gambling after winning a significant sum of money through gambling, it's rare to get those who invest in real estate and set up businesses using their winning. Recently the results always show of gamblers who would spend all their winnings back to the house. Even when a gambler does that, it still doesn't sound like addiction if he's in control of all his gambling actions. Yet, if care is not taken the gambler would miss out on his control and then chase after the money he just spent on gambling.

We are not allowed to generalize in any gambling situation, but players do change in attitude and we may not detect who will become addicted to gambling. Whether successful or not. Hence, the question should be who has the most self-control, if a successful gambler doesn't keep up with his discipline he can fail and vice versa. And we shouldn't consider the general opinions of society on issues they know nothing about. Those who lose in gambling are being looked down upon, in society, and some naive players who feel inferior to those ill treatments spend their own money to prove to their friends that they're also winning in gambling. Putting themselves into a more hard condition and suffering. Players who do it for the fun would care less about the hearsay of their close friends. Most times we get those backbites when we lose, not just in gambling. It's a natural reaction, the loser has no parent, and the winner has so many parents. Gambling isn't exempted, provided money is involved.

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Well, success is measured in many different ways, and I have given that in the thread, the things they think and everything how they express it because of their way of thinking is good, but personally I am a bit more direct, for For me, a person who considers himself successful is someone who always wins every day at the casino, that is, if he plays for 1 hour today and comes out with a positive balance, well, if he plays 3 times a day and comes out with profits, it seems to me that he is a similar success, But if it is measured in weeks or months that the general balance of the person in the game is positive balance, for me he is a successful person in the casino, for me there is no other definition of a successful person except for him to play and win, of The rest is an average player who probably has wins and losses where losses predominate, that is for me a normal player, of course it sounds a bit eo, because up to that point I include myself too, but just as in tading there are successful people doing it, too In the casino there must be very lucky people who always win.

In another order of ideas, we can meet people who can spend all day in a casino gambling and when we go to the casino they are always there, and well it is something that seems quite strange to us because it is something that is not very common, however when we We review things well, those types of people play throughout the day, sometimes they win, other times they lose, but I know that they are in a casino all day and they win, but they are there all day long, I wouldn't call them addicts, because addicted gamblers They usually lose and that is something that is not considered a success but quite the opposite, so in this type of thing we must be very emphatic and say things like they mean, if I am in a casino all day I leave without money If I can consider myself addicted because it is something that I always lose, I don't bring good results and that is a bad thing, that will eventually bring me problems and that is what we want to avoid.

So if you think like that, is it possible that there are people who are always lucky in every gambling, with the fact that they often play 3 times a day and always win? if I think that people who have luck in gambling will also not get a continuous victory, there are times when they lose and go home with negative results, or people who get a big win but only once can be called hockey? If there are people who always win at every game and always go home with a positive balance, they are very lucky. because surely the winnings they get exceed the capital they deposit. and if that's the case, does he have a trick to always get a win at gambling? so he can always get a win.

someone who is in the casino all day doesn't mean they are addicted, they could just be watching. but if they are just watching I don't think it's possible either, of course they bring a certain amount of money to bet by trying their luck, winning or losing is no one can predict if in gambling because it is difficult to make sure the victory will be easy to get. because gambling also has a random system, I've read in another tread that someone said, "the chances of winning in physical casino gambling are greater, than online gambling". whether that's true or not, what do you think?

I consider that things when it comes to doing better things in casinos, it may be that a person is in the casino all day, looking, playing, but you have to see both things, if you are in a casino just looking, you will Your time is up, you just don't take risks, you don't lose anything, you just watch the game, I don't think you are learning strategies, or maybe, swi, if so, because the techniques in the casinos, in their games, are very few , and that is learned quickly, in addition, I consider that a person's playing time in a casino should be brief, if he won, then he won, if he lost, then accept and accept defeat, in this sense things can be like that, and not there is a need to play all day, now if the person makes small bets throughout the day, well that is something else, everything changes, of course this is something that depends on the people, I actually like to play in a casino, I enjoy the time I spend there and I can dearly believe that it is pleasant. I compare it when I go to the soccer stadium to see my favorite team, or my national team, because it is like entering another world, and you have to enjoy that.

Now, if the person likes something else, like socializing, the atmosphere, the music that the casino offers, then that is another thing, and that is something that the person enjoys as such and it does not mean that he is an addict and That also means that it is something normal, maybe it is like that, but I think that when it comes to doing more the moments in the casinos should be brief, if you play longer term I don't think you are going to win more, We must always remember the advantage of this as it is a fact, now, between the traditional casinos and the online ones, is that physical casinos are not going to require any KYC and that is something that sounds like a great advantage and something that does not It will make you angry, because the money is instantaneous that they will give it to you, on the other hand, the disadvantage that online casinos have is that you can play from home in peace, but I think that to win more or less in some cases, for me the possibilities are the same.

My question is, why would I go to a casino if it's just to watch or see? Isn't that a pointless thing to do?
Even if I go to the casino I will gamble with the budget I have, because if it's just to watch, I think it's better to stay at home than to go to the casino just to watch, it should be like that, gambling that is done must be responded properly and correctly where if you win immediately withdraw it, and if you lose just stop and leave. do not force also to continue gambling because it is not necessarily going to benefit us, so I think it is better to leave the casino when you get a win and when you get a loss is the same, do not stay too long in the casino with so much budget because the possibility we could be tempted by the games in the casino and make the budget that is brought up all up, this must be avoided because of course it will harm us, but if indeed from home already intends to bring or spend a lot of money in casino gambling, that's up, I also do not prohibit it because that is their respective rights. However, gambling must be enjoyed in its flow because if we respond to it as entertainment it will not cause big problems, but try if you respond to it wrongly it means that there will be problems that come, there are also many who have become victims, so gambling properly don't overdo it, excessive gambling is the same as killing yourself.

Would someone who likes socializing, the atmosphere, and music go to a casino just for that?
I don't think so, because it's impossible to go to a casino if the purpose is just for that, chances are they will bring money even if it's a little, because it doesn't make sense for someone to go to a casino with that purpose, music can be everywhere, especially now that cell phones make everything easy, music, files, video games. everything can be done with just a cell phone. honestly I can't gamble for a long time, because I myself have a sense of boredom that changes easily, so in a matter of minutes I will also get bored easily with gambling, so I never gamble for a long time. Yes, it is true that physical casinos do not require KYC in contrast to online casinos which require KYC for one of the requirements to be able to gamble online, but it cannot be hidden, people who gamble online now are not small so many people do online gambling because it is easy to do with the cellphone that we have and wherever we want. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. but I'm sure it's a good idea to have a good idea of what you're getting yourself into and what you're getting yourself into.

Well, even if you don't believe it, there are many things here that can surprise you, and people who also do things that other Countries see as strange but that are normal here, there are people here who are like that, they can be in a place without doing an activity and They like it and it entertains them to be there, in the caisno there are no people who only go to see, so that they can give them drinks, food, enjoying music, and watching others play, there are also some that, believe it or not, someone comes to play and They seek conversation and begin to make friends, perhaps the culture is more focused on making friends for anything, it is very easy to socialize for some, what I say is that when you try to be in places like that, you can So maybe in other countries the Peroans are very focused on doing something in particular and do not socialize Quickly , here things for some like that, in this order of ideas when we are going to consider other things in the casinos they can be that way.

It may be that this type of Person is the one who will Always be in the Casinos and they decide to play only when they feel motivated to do so, and they play fast, sometimes there are people who are like that, it is a matter of knowing what is the Only thing what other People want , Each person is a world, they have their customs and traditions, sometimes one begins to think that there are people like that, well yes, they are people who like that, there are some who go to the casino and do nothing, A long time ago when I was at the U, I saw an older man at the roulette wheel, all he did was watch, he was never good, he just watched and entertained himself, it was like that, whenever he was there, but he didn't socialize, he just I looked at the wheel and wrote down nnumbers, the truth is I don't know what I was looking for, but that's how it happened, what I could see was that some people are strange in that sense, I can only say if I have encountered people like that , it Seems to me that It's normal, it doesn't surprise me.

ohh I see, maybe there are people like that but I myself don't know what the purpose of those who are like that by going to the casino just to watch. do you mean the casino gives free food and drinks?
that makes sense, maybe they are there to make friends with the aim of just watching but on the other hand they are looking for friends and maybe they also aim to find good people to offer them to join gambling where they are given capital by people they just met, but this is unlikely to happen because it is unethical if we also finance gamblers who do not have money. but no one knows what actions will be taken by someone if we find people who we think are fun and good, sometimes myself if I find new friends who are fun and good I want to give them some money or gifts that's how I feel. This makes sense in casinos there may also be people who want to socialize not only to gamble, because the nature of each person is also different, so maybe it's true that there are some people who go to casinos not to gamble but to make friends or to socialize, and I also think this is not wrong, but the question is, do casinos allow entry to people who just want to watch, I mean do they allow someone to enter but not to gamble? because I myself have never set foot in a physical casino.

maybe you mean those who go to the casino to observe the game and when he finds an opening or motivation like you said that then he immediately plays quickly this makes sense, I have also seen this but in a movie hahaha Grin

. maybe some people who do this because they have their own skills where they have thoughts and instincts on gambling that lead to victory. also like you said that, indeed I also think there are people like that, and I think there are also people who have a lot of money but don't do gambling where they go to the casino just to watch it, also there are old people who don't have good health like people who can't walk and they tend to use wheelchairs, but usually people like this tend to be rich people who have a lot of money, and they seek pleasure only in gambling. it seems that we will find a variety of different people in the casino because it is one of the places where many people gather to seek pleasure or other things such as finding friends to socialize.

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In today's society, people who are addicted to gambling are very little trusted and liked by people. And when people see a successful gambler, society thinks that he is addicted to winning and has lost his physical and mental balance inside. But actually this is not the right thinking at all because a successful gambler is never an addict because he spends both money and time to win and also puts in a lot of effort. Both gamblers only try hard to succeed and invest their money for that purpose, but here they are not so much addicts. If they had become so addicted, they would never have gone ahead and invested such money and efforts, and I think a gambler always aims to succeed by putting his own efforts into action.

I think it is quite the opposite of what you have described. Now I agree that people are looked at in a bad way when they gamble a lot, but for as long as they are successful, nobody can really make a point against them. This is not what I deem correct, but it is how it is. If the poker player wins all the time because he has a few incredibly lucky years, then he is a mastermind. When you are successful in something, may it be because of luck or skill, it is easy to sell a story. But the tough times start when someone is out of luck for a while because there are no more headlines or positive talk.

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If it’s in my country, the thought of writing a book with possible title as “ HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN GAMBLING “ lol it’s funny because my people always see opportunities in almost everything but nevertheless this is another opportunity to let everyone know that money answers all things and when ever someone makes a remarkable win I think that person will automatically be taken out of the list of an addict and I think not having money is one way or the other attractive to wrong names so I wouldn’t have to blame any one’s opinion.

I guess this doesn't only apply to people who are gambling, but to other things as well. If someone is financially successful, less questions are asked or less rejection will happen, but if someone is going broke playing in the casino all day long, not many people will support that person or have good words about him. It is a very material world where those with a lot of money are often perceived as being better than those with less money. But I learnt that the opposite is true very often and that money is not an indicator of a person being generally successful, because what does it even mean?

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