Topic: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 16. (Read 6617 times)

because I like gambling content now Instagram algorithm gives me a bunch of new videos and some of them are exactly just like you have said. he played card blackjack and poker and he actually won a thousand dollars in couple of hours. I don't know maybe he only posts their winning or he really a successful gambler

The reality is that those VIP players simply are putting so much money into the casinos that it's good for the business to keep them happy with perks.

The VIPs are VIPs because they bring so much money to them. Most stores do the same really, VIP treatment for customers who are paying a lot of money to them. Nothing new.

Just think about it, do you really think that a casino that is losing lots and lots of money will give that gambler perks? no. They would probably add security to them or ban them 

You need to read more than just those Instagram tales. There are real success stories in gambling – yes, they exist! They're not just lies to get likes on social media. People who approach gambling with strategy, discipline, and a bit of luck have made it big. People who play poker professionally, bet on sports like it's science, and play blackjack like they're scientists when they count cards. These are not fairy tales; these are real people who have made gambling an art! I agree with you about one thing: a lot of those Instagram clips aren't real. They act like they live a glamorous life, but most of the time it's all a show. We need to be smart about this. You have every right to doubt their credibility. You know those stories about how casinos give away cars and flats like candy? They're more about seduction than truth. The real point of gambling is to have fun, feel thrills, and take on challenges. Smart and skilled play is what it's all about, not getting sucked in by free stuff.

Maybe there are people who have mentioned from the many replys, I just want to know who and where people who can succeed from the career of a gambler, who and where he is, I want to find out. People who can undermine discipline, sacrifice their energy and time to achieve success in gambling.

Maybe you as the OP have read it and classified it in several gambling segments, if I may want to find out.

Wins in games might be considered successful gambling, and of course, it's not necessarily a success when you lose. I see some gamblers who are very skilled and they eventually mastered the art of gambling to the point that they play very consistently and they will be able to win.

 There are also other gamblers who played gambling because it is to temporarily distracts them from reality and it is also a way to escape from stress, emotional pain, or whatever problems they have in life. Which is why some gamblers instantly generate thoughts such as "I won in the past, I must win again, or if I lose, I must take back what I lost." where their brain was releasing dopamine which it associated with pleasure and motivation.

As for the Instagram videos, yeah I also encountered that kind of advertisement and honestly, it’s really temping to try but I don’t know if it is legit or not so I do not care of it at all . It’s like a bait for us gambler's you know.

Who cares if the Instagram reels watched is legit or not, what matters is the content we tried to understand and ensure not to use specific means that we're not confident about, rather we keen on lecturing ourselves and gaining the basic information we need. Addicts do exists in the system and also we have those set of gamblers that make crucial strategies for the purpose to enchanced their chances of winning in the system. It's never easy to watch how these gamblers climb from the top and the ones that shoot to the top.

I have never seen anyone who was successful at gambling as a player.

Except in movies tho hehehe but I saw a short video on Instagram which said that there are people who are successful or win big at gambling and casinos who give VIP bonuses, namely an apartment and car that can be used as much as you like.

in the video they say that the purpose of their VIP bonus is to tempt them into gambling the money they have won so that they become addicted, but what the person who won did was different, he was not addicted at all, instead he enjoyed what the casino gave him until he was banned by the casino. That.

so the point is I don't think the player is addicted. and since the story from instagram reels I don't know if the story is legit or not

No, that's not addiction, and you made some misconceptions in your words narrative about those in the second category. First, you said they can't do without gambling, yes, it's addiction. In the bold section of the narrative you changed the wording, and with that narrative, the player shouldn't be considered an addict for enjoying gambling and consistently gambling. But his actions can still be questioned for prioritizing gambling over other things, we all have utilities we prioritize more than others, yet it doesn't mean we can't substitute them easily. In your last lines, you still repeated the same mistake which I'd want you to remove from your mindset. They've never been a positive addiction. Addiction can also be called problem gambling. Are you saying mental illness is positive? Whenever a person is addicted to anything they can't be in control of what they're doing. The results of their actions would be negative at all times. Don't get it twisted, the addicts can win at some point, but it doesn't at any point make addiction positive.

Other than that because a gambler who still is under control of their gambling habit, but only loves participating in gambling every day doesn't make him an addict. Addiction is addiction and it can only be negative for a person to be addicted to anything, drugs, gambling, etc. Would you also say that there is a positive side to drug addiction because the person still makes money as an addict? You know quite well that the addicted gambler after winning would still waste the money in gambling. Then he'll have to battle with his mental disorder, which could lead to a more severe problem in the life of the gambler. Instead of calling such gamblers addicts, the best name allocated to them is responsible gamblers. They're not compulsive gamblers, like I said earlier, they can still go months without gambling. Because they do it for fun and participate every day doesn't make any changes in their mental health. That's why people tend to respect them, as they don't misbehave, rather they paint a good name to the act of gambling. Addiction has no positivity.

I was surprised reading your post, it clearly shows that you didn't get the gist I narrated in what you replied to. I can't be so daft to say that gamblers can be winning all their bets, how? Are they some kind of gods? No No. Consistent winning is different from winning every bet, it only means that the gambler has more winning than losing periodically, and it depends on how you will now define that period. As for the subject itself, what I was trying to establish is that both winners and losers can be addicted to gambling, but for the fact that the addiction of the losers is negative to them and the people around them, they and people get to be discouraged and stigmatised respectively. This is why they look down on them and are finding mean to be cured of this addiction because it is rather wasting their money and there is no hope for them to gain.

Such people are being related to gambling addiction alone just because it's negative for them, but it's not so. Gambling addicts also include those who are gambling and gaining consistently, which includes those who can't do without gambling even as they do it for fun. If these last two categories continue to gamble and do not abuse it, they are fine with it as it is positive to them (earning and fun). The first category gets to make money consistently in gambling and loves to gamble every day and places it as a priority over any other thing. Is that not an addiction? Even if the second category that loves to gamble for fun takes it as the sole or main hobby and prioritises it more than anything else and does it every time, is that not an addiction as well? But because it doesn't negatively affect their lifestyle, people often don't talk about the positive addiction. You can see that it's for the obvious reason people are silent about the positive addicts, but indeed they are addicts too, but the addicts that do not call for a concern (positive).

Gambling success depends on so many factors which isn't concerned with the way you describe the winners, Victor. Being a successful gambler doesn't mean the player has to win every single moment he gambles. Most time they still lose money, but have a way of dealing with risks. When a gambler is successful he has nothing to do with addiction. If he gets addicted then he is not successful in gambling. Those who appear as successful gamblers like in any other department, are the gamblers who issue advice on gambling addiction and also lecture other gamblers on different strategies needed to bypass too many risk factors in gambling. They're mostly authors and also go on tour with some TV shows that ask them gambling questions. Most of them are famous for winning at a certain time big prizes through gambling.

Coming to the idea that follows your response, it's wrong to think that every loser is addicted to gambling, the same way the winners are. Any gambler in both categories, addicted or not, still has a chance of winning. Indeed nobody wants a loser, but winners who are addicted will have no reason to be successful in gambling because it has to do with mental problems. Whenever a person is mentally ill, is worse than physically illness. Don't misplace consistent gambling as an addiction. They're both different things, visiting a specific place every day maybe your workplace doesn't mean you can't do without visiting that place. Most people you see win money through gambling, fine will want to be consistent, but someday they go on a gambling vacation. Where they'll never have a reason to gambler for some months. Addicted players can't do it, as their brain has been disordered and only knows gambling. Which draws a line of difference between a successful gambler and an addicted one.

does this mean that a successful gambler is a gambler who can know when the time is right?
of course a successful gambler is a gambler who has had many bad experiences in the past and and he learns from the bad to become a better gambler and if the gambler is able to control it of course he can be called a successful gambler. It's just that in this definition, success means being successful in controlling oneself not to lose too much and if you get a profit, you won't have the greed to stop betting.
and on the one hand, successful gamblers are always able to manage their finances and can even set the right time to gamble and the right time to stop gambling, but these gamblers also have various strategies to be able to gain profits from gambling, choose the type of bet that does not rely on luck and choose a type of gambling that relies on skill.
so that if a successful gambler can control himself and choose the right type of bet or choose a type of bet that depends on skill, he will definitely become a professional gambler without addiction.

but it is very difficult to become a successful gambler because there are so many temptations that make us tempted and forget the rules that have been made and this means that to become a successful gambler is very difficult, it requires high commitment and strong determination to be able to achieve what we want as long as we being able to control it and learn from previous mistakes can definitely become a professional gambler or a successful gambler in every way.

Can you tell me how many people you know who make all the effort that could earn them the title of “expert gambler”? I admitted that there were many of them, but as a "gambling addicts" and not as a specialists.

The explanation is simple: anyone who uses his abilities to win only in a gambling betting game based primarily on luck is at a relatively advanced stage of addiction compared to the majority of others. This is important to note in order to differentiate between playing a sport that requires effort and a game whose results and analyzes depend on pure luck.

Whoever refuses to employ his mathematical and mental skills in a useful productive matter instead of employing them in betting on the possibility of winning a competitor in a game that most often depends on luck, is certainly an addicted gambler without a doubt.

The rich gambler was not addressed to an addict,the thing is the gambler who get rich using the gambling was addressed to the addicted person.The words doesn’t matter in the real life,at least they was settled by the gambling.Because many gamblers was reporting many websites after finding them as the scam one.Only few are successful and survive long in the forum itself.If the gamblers get addicted,mostly he suppose to loss the many.With my knowledge not the addicted person get rich using the gambling site,the person who developed their skill to gambling was the successful person most of the time.


The gambler who was successful by the big win in the gambling site was seems as the gambling addict by the OP words.The gamblers should learn the money management on playing the games in the gambling site,he should pause the game if they suppose to loss the funds.Continuous playing of games will leads to loss of full money in the gambling site.The successful gamblers will play for shorter duration.

Though I didn’t get your message very clear, I think you’re trying to say that for one to be a professional and successful gambler, then he or she should be able to have the abilities to over come the challenges encountered in the past and if that be the case then I also agree with you and that most times, to be successful has some disciplines one has to keep which also includes risk and greed management, ability to know when to play and when not to play and ability to control emotions in gambling.

But im so sure that those gamblers did really turn out to be a gambling addict once into their overall journey with gambling. We cant really be that so sure though but we can really actually
say that there comes a time that they do really that become too impulsive.We cant really be so sure since not all people would really be that the same when it comes to self control on which there are ones who are really that good when it comes to discipline and there are ones who do really fail on doing so. This is why we cant really be able to conclude out that they are ones those addicts too.

It is really just that people would be assuming it out, but eventually if we do really try to be realistic on the things which are happening on which
if a gambler turns out to be already on professional state then you are really that able to overcome on whatever problems that you had encountered in the past.

Well, I have a very special concept about this, for me, when you try to do things well in a casino, it's about winning money, when you don't win money, well, that's where things get lost, when a person is addicted to the general thing. He has money problems, problems with his friends, and with his own family, because everyone realizes what an addicted person does, an addicted person always allows himself to be carried away by other things, first of all he is a person who does not care if someone comes to him For there something taken, that is not fixed or anything, because his money was spent in the casino so that is something very bad and negative, the friends that you can supposedly consider as friends, because they will not be next to a person who is like this , there are only a few who come forward to help, to make them get out of that, so I could say that things are quite strong at the moment that they are going to be seen in the wrong way, I say, a person who is in the casino most of hours in the day but he comes out with money, for me he is a successful person, there is no other way.

A person who is in a casino and doesn't win money, well, first of all, he is not successful, I don't know if he is addicted because he has the money for everything but he plays little in the game and he likes the atmosphere of a casino, well, that's a whole thing, maybe Maybe he uses the casino to make some interpersonal relationships, it is normal, however I think that all this goes down to what the person is like, a person who knows a lot about the game but still loses money, for me it is not successful, For me the most important thing in a casino is money, money is everything in the casino, in fact everything has to do with money, with money you can play whatever you want, without money you can't do anything, what The only thing you can do is play online and that with fictitious money, but that is a practice that very few do, secrecy is simply having money and trying to increase it.

What good praises for successful gamblers! But you are indeed wrong, successful gamblers are the most addicted if you must know, but the only difference is that since they are making money from it, they don't care about the addiction and will even love to do it more. And guess what? People will also encourage them to gamble since it's not negative for them. Money-making avenue will always be an excellent avenue for everyone, it's only when you are investing your money but you are losing that caution would be exercised by you, if wise, or people advising you in this regard. This one again reveals that losers are the ones that people get to focus their beam at and to talk down on and say all sorts of bad remarks about, simply because they do not show any good result for what they are doing. This is unlike the winners, just like you are praising them now, they show good results for it to the point that you do not see the addiction therein. We often overlook the things we do that give money since it cannot affect our life negatively even if we are addicted to them, but can't still stop us from relating it to addiction even if it's positive. Everyone however wants a positive addiction, after all, they have nothing to lose doing it.

This is a typical example of money stops nonsense because a rich gambler will be hard to be addressed as an addict but the reverse is the case with struggling gambler as every move made might be seen as addiction and I also agree with @GigaBit that success in gambling can be seen from different perspectives just as success in life can be seen from different perspectives and to me, been successful has to do with making major profits and wins against losses, ability to know when to stop, and ability to control one’s gambling greed and staying profitable in the field and if one has all this qualities then such a person should be seen and address as been successful regardless of how much they make provided it surpasses their losses.

My question is, why would I go to a casino if it's just to watch or see? Isn't that a pointless thing to do?
Even if I go to the casino I will gamble with the budget I have, because if it's just to watch, I think it's better to stay at home than to go to the casino just to watch, it should be like that, gambling that is done must be responded properly and correctly where if you win immediately withdraw it, and if you lose just stop and leave. do not force also to continue gambling because it is not necessarily going to benefit us, so I think it is better to leave the casino when you get a win and when you get a loss is the same, do not stay too long in the casino with so much budget because the possibility we could be tempted by the games in the casino and make the budget that is brought up all up, this must be avoided because of course it will harm us, but if indeed from home already intends to bring or spend a lot of money in casino gambling, that's up, I also do not prohibit it because that is their respective rights. However, gambling must be enjoyed in its flow because if we respond to it as entertainment it will not cause big problems, but try if you respond to it wrongly it means that there will be problems that come, there are also many who have become victims, so gambling properly don't overdo it, excessive gambling is the same as killing yourself.

Would someone who likes socializing, the atmosphere, and music go to a casino just for that?
I don't think so, because it's impossible to go to a casino if the purpose is just for that, chances are they will bring money even if it's a little, because it doesn't make sense for  someone to go to a casino with that purpose, music can be everywhere, especially now that cell phones make everything easy, music, files, video games. everything can be done with  just a cell phone. honestly I can't gamble for a long time, because I myself have a sense of boredom that  changes easily, so in a matter of minutes I will also get bored easily with gambling, so I never gamble for a long time. Yes, it is true that physical casinos do not require KYC in contrast to online casinos which require KYC for one of the requirements to be able to gamble online, but it cannot be hidden, people who gamble online now are not small so many people do online gambling because it is easy  to do with the cellphone that we have and wherever we want. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. but I'm sure it's a good idea to have a good idea of what you're getting yourself into and what you're getting yourself into.

a gambling addict will always never have satisfaction every time he gets a win even if he wins $1m he will never feel satisfied because he always thinks about losses while gambling and if it is not equal he will continue his betting session without thinking about anything because his mind is already in influenced by excessive dopamine so that gambling addicts will ignore any bad impacts that they think they feel happy when betting.
regarding successful gamblers I would never think that a gambler could be successful if he bets on games that are based on luck except for successful gamblers who only bet on card games such as poker etc. which are skill based as I have said before and by choosing to gamble on those games a gambler can be successful by having skills in calculating mathematics to process the cards he has to continue winning and usually successful gamblers always calculate the maximum limits for wins and losses so that if the gambler feels that his winnings are enough he will immediately leave the gambling table and will come again at a later date or even if he loses to another gambler, he will stop and immediately go home to organize a strategy to win the next gamble.

most important thing is that if we want to be called a successful gambler, we have to choose the right type of game that can give us the opportunity to win consistently, even though it is very difficult, but as long as we can develop our skills, we can definitely become a successful gambler, not an addict to the enjoyment of gambling.