Topic: Bitcoin will be at CES2013 (Official Thread) - page 15. (Read 36646 times)

+1 / good idea

I have a 13 day old daughter but I promise to give this attention in the next few days and we will wager.  I'm very google-able in that I wager large amounts all the time.  You can prove a large wallet or something?

Let's discuss terms privately then make a new thread with the bet publicly, announce the exact terms and the escrow.  Depending on the terms of the wager I may be willing to go very high.  We will need a very solid escrow, like Vorhees or any bitpay guys, or any bitinstant guys are the first that come to mind.  I am totally down to gamble and if you have that much coin and want to fire on BFL being real, I can talk to some of my gambling friends that are somewhat familiar with BTC (some play on Seals, some knew about my bet with Matt when he defaulted, some just like to bet on non-standard things like this) and my side can likely raise whatever you wanna bet if we believe the terms are favorable enough.   Let's talk PM / skype / figure it out.  We can also place a smaller bet now / escrow it / then talk larger.

Micon: actually let's arrange the details publicly: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/280-btc-total-bets-between-micon-and-mrb-are-bfl-asics-real-135914

I am a total ADD super-mutlitasker crazy inventor man.  I know many of my shortcomings and one is certainly that I don't let others talk enough.  I am very guilty of this in my podcast and need to work on it.

That being said, this fucking scammer company has me once again really pissed off.  In my life, the most regret I ever feel is for times when I stayed silent when I should have stood up and said something.  Like when you see a stranger getting fucked with in some way and just walk by because it's not you, and they clearly need help.  

I promised myself some time ago that I would be the guy that does something, stands up, takes some heat if he has to, and bring attention to a major injustice that is happening with most of the other humans, for their various reasons, staying silent when they deep down feel the same way.  Remember I have a very good scam-detection radar and a very good record on these boards.

To me, to a poker player, I get this extremely scam vibe after meeting the 2 BFL guys in person.  Dave, the first day, when alone, had classic scam-comebacks to all my probing.  First, when he thought I was a friendly, I said "Man, you guys are on ever search engine result, every paid advertising venue for bitcoin related searches comes up with a BFL pre-order advertisement.  You must have raised $25+M!"    Dave replied  "uh.. Yeah!  We've done very well!"  lolz they think they have done well already, i.e. they already have most of the money they are going to collect.

Once I pointed out the obvious with this picture from my Galaxy Note 2 (fucking amazing device)



and posted in this thread that I would be back tomorrow film a fact-based analysis of what equipment Butterfly Labs brought to CES and how they cannot demonstrate even one ASIC mining chip I knew when I walked in they wouldn't show off the devices and let someone inventory the 7 items or photograph them closely with the whatever megapixel camera I'm carrying around in this phablet.  

BFL brought a box of fans + 3 cases + 2 Androids + 1 FPGA miner that my or may not work.  This is fact.  I come to film this, they call CES security. Maybe another reporter can go and photograph and film the equipment tomorrow during the last day of CES and ask them why they bothered to bring the box of fans.

i edited the quote above to sound more realistic to actual situation. but a great quote even in its original form.

i love studying human behaviour if you ever watch the TV series 'lie to me' you'll understand what i mean. That 2 minute interaction with josh on the video revealed alot.
the smile he does when handing over the quarter. that's not a smile of a smart individual who has whit and charm. that is the smile you do after this situation.

day one you get insulted but cant think of a witty reply. that night you think to yourself  i wish i had something smart to have said when that happens that sounds eloquent and beautiful. you plan it in your head. you start getting excited just thinking about using your carefully scripted reply, you imagine their reaction. You even dream about using it and you get fixated over the scripts beauty.

day two. the situation comes up when you get to use that script. you say it, and now you smile because you think you sound smart for the first time. that is the smile of victory. not charm. victorious that you can yet again avoid a proper question, and ontop make it sound smart.

its the same smile someone does when they have a date with a hott girl and plan before the date, something witty and funny to say to get the girl warming to you. and when said, you smile in victory and achievement.

now onto other things.
if only samsung went to the CES with a new gesture sensing technology TV's, they had a big 50" TV to show off.. but all that was showing was a blank screen. people question it the reply they get is: " we don't have any working TV's with this new technology, we have not tested a working finalised product. but here's a quarter, now go buy yourself a clue. "
even samsung customers would be hating samsung by now.

and at best the customers would say WTF you even doing here if you don't even have a working demo.

Micon: actually, since you are up for it, can we raise the stakes? 100 BTC? 250 BTC? 1000 BTC? How high can you go?

Thank you! I agree with a personal escrowed bet of 10 BTC. This makes you the first BFL critic who I regard highly, unlike others on the forums... I will PM you to arrange the details.

Incest is forbidden for processing by VISA and MC. I bet they receive a lot of offerings from interesting adult content owners.

Zealot much? Is incest (assuming consented by all involved) really at par with rape and child porn? They also speak of freedom, BURN THE MFs!

They are participated in gathering $25M from Bitcoin community for BFL scam.

What else do they process? Child porn? Incest? Rape? Who knows? Bitcoin allows everything, isn't it?

They are about to process gambling payments.

MONEY LAUNDERING
TAXES EVASION
BREAKING MAJOR FEDERAL LAWS

This is electric chair.

So looks like Bitpay participated in a BFL crime, money laundering and tax evasion? Is it true?

Micon: respect!

Die BFL, Die! Kill it with fire!

I like how you don't stop talking for the whole video and no one gets more than 3 words in edgewise. 

1)  You have taken $25,000,000 by my estimation of bitcoin community money with the promise to ship something you cannot display at CES 2013.  Your deflection of my "Jewish Football game joke" is as transparent as it is desperate.

2)  Both of my parents are Jewish.  I am an atheist and only believe in science, but most humans would classify me as Jewish, giving me full right to make the joke and making you look totally foolish.

3)  I was spending time with my mother, father, wife, and 2 week old daughter after you so rudely handed me fiat and got me kicked out of CES today.  Don't worry, the full video in it's unedited format is right here, and I have it cued to where you make an ass of yourself:

http://youtu.be/UlWrmIqGs3Y?t=2m19s

Take a watch at the 2nd part of the interview, when I ask a legitimate bitcoin-facing business about their functions, and notice the difference.  Did they think I was stomping around the booth yelling and trolling?   Seems hat only you have made that report, and I have an extremely valid point BFL refuses to even answer:

Give us a fact-based account of the equipment you brought and are displaying at CES.

BFL are not scammers. They are just disorganized airheads that try to run a business. And got/get scammed by some Asian benefactors^*).

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^*)(c) bASIC/Tom

I am happy to make an escrow-ed wager on this matter.  I am not keen on using the betsofbitcoin system, but I am happy to escrow a 10 coin wager on the matter with you personally.  We can find a mutually agreeable escrow and terms of the wager.  I am more than willing to bet the scam side.  I'm thinking something like all pre-orders not shipped by end of 2013?  I'll take the don't on that 1 for sure.

Hello rude human that gave me a quarter and is running a scam:

1) that fake, crappy badge has been sneaking me into everywhere in Vegas for ~ 5 years.  I have snuck into countless conventions of every sort with it.  Had you not called security and instead engaged me in fact-based conversation about your device that you brought to CES, I would have made it the full 5 extra minutes I intended to attend the convention on Thursday.  Oh btw I'll be back tomorrow with more people and more cameras.  I'll have a legitimate press badge too.  Whatcha gonna do then when I film your box of fans connected to 2x $100 android devices sitting next to 3 plastic cases with you holding $25M in pre-orders you can't ship?

2)  Don't take my word for it, just watch the entire interaction and judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y



the juicy part is ~ 2:10 in, and this is 13 minute video because I was genuinely interested in Bitpay, which as most of us heard got the headshot round of funding ($510k) and as most of us understand is an amazing way for a small business to start accepting bitcoin tomorrow - in essence, they are spreading the gospel and making a nice business charging a fair price - an amazing company working for good that I so happy is receiving attention and money.  BFL by contrast has raised by this writer's estimation $25M - a full 50x what Bitpay just raised - but BFL did it by taking pre-orders on a device they could not produce or show was working at CES, and bitpay had to give up equity. 

As most of you will watch in this video, BFL knows I'm a skeptic and I am recording and ask to see their device.  If they had real technology, why not show the skeptic what you have?  Helping Freemoney run SealsWithClubs, I have skeptics approach me all the time.  I answer every question they have about bitcoin or Seals software, and show them as completely and honestly every part of every question they have.  When I asked BFL what this machine was they have on display at CES, the guy gives me a quarter and treats be very rudely.  This is classic scammer actions.  When questioned for real, scammers deflect, make a scene, or just call you stupid.  This guy did all 3.  Writing is on the wall.

The Micon verdict is in.  Butterfly Labs is a total scam.  The entire stored value in bitcoin is ~ $140M at this point.  BFL has collected roughly 20% of the total stored value of bitcoin and all they brought to CES is a box of fans, 2x $100 androids, 3 plastic cases, and an FPGA miner that wasn't mining when Dave showed it to me and the guy today just insulted me and gave me a quarter when I asked about it.

Oh and don't keep asking BFL about a fact-based report of the equipment they brought to CES - you will be met with insults to your intelligence.

Sorry for my english. (translation). Does anyone know the answer to reliably one of my question?
-Which name of the bank BFL receives investor funds and payment to contractors?What is the reputation of the bank? It is offshore? (this information should be made public except for the information on contractors)
-Which insurance company insured domestic investment risks the company BFL? Or not insured? (may be classified information)
-Which published a summary (detailed) information for investors. There must have be described by two positions higher description of the risks. (I do not know how to translate)
-Where in the published reports with the exact dates of the development for investors(it should be in public, perhaps without giving names of counterparties (eg, factory))(For example, 12.01.2011 - design is complete, 10/08/2012 - issued an order for the production of test batch to the factory ..)
-At what place are published the current financial performance of the company BFL?(financial statements)

If not half the answer - it is definitely scam.