Topic: Bitcointalk Youtube channel - what would you like to see? - page 20. (Read 13734 times)

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I think it's just a matter of word of mouth within the forum and see whoever was interested in doing the captions. Bear in mind that this does take some time (between timing the subs and making the correct translation) so while it may seem something easy at first sight, it does require time and effort to get the end result in a good shape.
In the past I did some tasks related to this kind of nature so I guess I may have some experience already and I could try to help out fellow members if needed. There wouldn't be any need to purchase a specific program to do it since there are awesome free programs within this field.

What I would also envision happening is that we should follow a specific set of rules regarding subtitling - as in a "Golden Standard" of some sort. This ensures that whoever is making the translation (either me or other member) will always follow a specific set of rules that would always lead to a great result. I'm referring to, for example:

• Number of words within a segment being translated - We don't want to just shove a long captioning for the user to read as this will likely distract him from the main video;
• Line break when needed - What would be the correct timing in order to make a 2 line and fill the remaining of the text. Very (very) rarely is that we should go for the 3rd line of text[/b]
• How to do proper dialogue lines - For example but not limited to:
  
  Quote
  -Hello, how are you?
  -I'm fine what about you?
  Instead of:
  
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  -Hello, how are you? - Fine, what about you?
• Duration of the subs before fading - This is also an important aspect that should be balanced with the first pointed aspect of this list

Again, the first couple of subtitles made will take the longest especially for people that never done it, but as the time goes by it will eventually be faster and considering the end result (increase the reach of the videos) I would say that it would be work for the greater good (both of the channel and crypto in general).[/list]

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Thats a great idea, you have thought it through Rick.

The content should definitely be viewable in a number of languages and not
relying on youtube's captioning. This should increase the reach of the channel.

I wonder how difficult it will be to get people involved? I cannot put myself
forward as I have only English.

This just occurred to me : What do you think Cyrus (and remaining community of course) of having a voluntary group within bitcointalk that would make subtitles for the videos? I think that this would actually benefit the reach of the channel mainly because:

• We wouldn't need to have the bad (although it has been worse) automatic caption from Youtube service
• There are a lot of users in the Local Boards that don't interact as much with the rest of the community and I think that a big factor in it is a language barrier (there could be others, of course). I would really like that the channels videos would be inclusive for everyone, especially our local board users.

Just thinking out loud, I think that if we managed to cover English (captioning), French, German, Portuguese and Russian we would have already a huge reach (but still lacking the representation of the other local board sections of course). To have the biggest impact I guess we could try to upload the video already with the most subtitles that we could do so that we are able to reach an higher audience... This isn't to say that we couldn't add more subtitles afterwards, which we should be able to do, it's just a matter of timing I guess.
I don't know what's going to be our average video duration but I think that 10-15 minutes are doable (even though there's a lot of dialogue, even bigger if it's in podcast format). Thing is, with big enough groups we could split a video for each member so as to not overload the others and so on. We could also start by just doing the smaller videos before venturing into larger pieces (such as podcasts I assume). One rule that I see at the moment is that one video should have just one user translating it due to conflicting "interpretation"/grammar being employed.

If there's momentum I can already say that I could provide support within the Portuguese (European) translators*. The idea itself is a bit rough on the edges but for sure it could be improved ...

*Small note: Don't take me wrong here, I don't have any problem joining the Portuguese (Brazilian) team of course, this was just my way of saying that the grammar of the videos that I could eventually do would look different.

EDIT: We could also use this[1] recent analysis as a base (made by Felipe Hoffa) where he analyzed 1M Reddit comments to see which languages were more prevalent (in Reddit). Sure it isn't a huge dataset but it's better than nothing right?

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[1]https://towardsdatascience.com/the-most-popular-languages-on-reddit-analyzed-with-snowflake-and-a-java-udtf-4e58c8ba473c

Thanks for pointing it out as mistakenly i made the copies from the youtube channel bar but now i have edited the banner here also and resend them in my group by broadcasting the message to all of them.

Actually i have send them the banner along with the original links to all so that's not a problem and @ was just a formality and i know it's not included in the webpages but now i have set them to the original names only so as to avoid any confusion.Hope it will work as the subscribers are 31 and views stuck at 279 but we can try to push it on our levels and you see there will be results.

The Twitter handle is wrong! The real BitcoinTalk Show Twitter handle is: @BtcTalkShow
And webpages don't have an "@" in the beginning..

Cyrus I'm wondering; you've mentioned that you hired a video production team, is this something which is a full time thing for them, and you now? Since, from what I can gather you intend on releasing frequent episodes of the BitcointalkShow, I'm assuming what will be on a Friday judging on the poll results, I'm guessing to keep up any type of consistent schedule that's going to take a number of days to film each time, right?

My thinking is; user interviews at least virtual ones, might actually be great filler content, and won't require too much setup/production, which still being entertaining. At least that's my thinking, I might be underestimating the production value of a podcast there.

Google have a monopoly so it's very difficult to avoid actually using their services. I've even gone to the extent of using a GSI on my phone so that I don't have any Google services installed, but I've used gmail though I'm in the process of moving everything towards Proton Mail only old stuff now is on my gmails. However, I've used all sorts of their services mainly because everyone else does, and they usually use Google to point you to certain things, and obviously there's AWS which a lot of people are using to host content. So, the way it's currently they're hard to completely ignore as all of us are probably somewhat dependent on them.

I'm not even bothered about a decetralised video platform, just one that doesn't outright censor. I mean Bitcointalk isn't exactly decentralised, and I think we do a decent job around censorship, though I'll try, and avoid patting ourselves on the back there. However, three's plenty of websites, and services which don't censor as much as Google does.

This is official channel for the forum and it has some really good content to be shared on the youtube and that's also relevant one not like the crap one we usually see on so called youtube vlogs and i will say I have never seen them because they usually talk about shilling their fake crypto accent and suggesting others to follow them for the next updates and see what and how they are doing things in which i am not at all interested in seeing.So i would also say not to compare them atleast with our channel.They are just making videos to earn from ads and fake coins promotions but this channel is aimed at providing education to the general public and make them aware about forum as well bitcoin.So this is something which could not be compared with all those fake crypto experts.

 
They will always exercise their central control over these platforms like deleting videos and comments which they find inappropriate according to them.Google have relaxed their crypto ban and now allows ads for crypto but really don't know what problems they have with bitcoin or bitcointalk and deleting the comments.Usually certain comments which contain scam words or fake links that arev not related to the videos are detected by the algorithm and are deleted but they still are centralised platforms which will perform their own implementations.

Talking about decentralised alternatives to youtube :



At current the community for these platform is less but if the same continues over the youtube then we would see these alternatives rising within short period of time and they will also find audience soon and most importantly they are crypto friendly and Decentralised which puts them ahead of Youtube in these manners.


But we need to do our task at best despite of these cheap tactics by them as the channel is not going to stop from progressing and we all will make sure of it.So i am also tring on my side to promote it on my level.I have made an banner(not so good but also not too bad ) to share it with my known ones on my groups and social media to make them aware about the same that there is channel on which they can trust that it will provide them adequate knowledge unlike those ridiculous youtubers.Here have a look at it:



Trying at my own level to spread out the word to expand our community .

Yeah governments and politicians are just parasitic puppets controlled by big corporations and people behind them.
If anyone thinks that Twitter and other social media is any better, think again because I just saw that Luke Dashjr is most recent ban on twitter, and I don't event know the reason why.
For anyone who don't know Luke Dashjr is Bitcoin core developer contributing Bitcoin since 2011.

Ignoring and not using their services is much better option than hating.
Decentralized alternative for youtube would be great to have but I don't think most people is ready to give up their google addiction.

Yeah, this is partly why I suggested contacting them to see if they would remove the keyword ban. It does seem that Google went with a blanket like approach where they banned anything, and everything related to Bitcoin, probably without much human review. Now they've relaxed the rules when advertising Cryptocurrencies on their platforms, they haven't reviewed the keyword bans.

I understand from a certain point of view they want to protect their users from scams, and they don't want to be held responsible if a user gets scammed because it was advertised on their platform, however Bitcointalk doesn't offer anything it's in itself a platform to discuss, and that's the point I'd be making if I were to contact them.

Though, I'm not quite sure what sort of contact options there are, as I said I like to stay away from Google products as much as possible.

Just a quick note Welsh - assuming you're referring to the ban around 2018[1], they've recently started relaxing this constraint and now allow ads regarding Cryptocurrency exchanges and wallets if they abide by certain rules[2].Funny you've talked about their motto as I've had a recent discussion with some friends that weren't aware of this because the motto is a bit more "modified" now - "Do the right thing"[3] - which is somewhat more open to interpretation (which is good for them because it allows them to "adapt" to any kind of social situation at the moment I guess).

Regarding the deletion of comments reported by Cyrus, it just seems very odd to me indeed (and it explains some random comments that I saw on the channel to test this theory). I've since visited some reference guides to try to understand what could be wrong here but so far I haven't got anything consistent. If we go by the "External links policy" by Google[4] this is what we got:
There is no need to say that we don't fit in any of those categories, so what gives? It seems that this isn't a new problem and for sure has been happening for quite some time as I've find reports[5] from users facing the exact same issue (I'm sure there are loads more out there). Do you get some kind of notice that the comments were removed Cyrus? Perhaps you could contest them and give out the reason?
I've also seen some reports that some channels choose to block links since they usually are from spam comments[6][7] - perhaps that option is turned on by default? Do you see some option called:

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[1]https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/7648803
[2]https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/10688110
[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
[4]https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9054257
[5]https://www.quora.com/Why-does-YouTube-delete-all-my-comments-within-seconds-even-if-my-comment-is-not-at-all-negative
[6]https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/mh26uh/comments_with_links_automatically_deleted_after/gswqg74/
[7]https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/57413651/youtube-keeps-deleting-my-comments

Ridiculous. I didn't think I could hate Google more before this.

I'm wondering whether this was implemented when Google banned Bitcoin advertisements? Maybe, just maybe they would change this if contacted about it. I do doubt it though. This probably means that monetization of the channel would likely be difficult in the future, simply because it's called the Bitcointalk show, and if they've gone to the extent of banning "Bitcointalk" in the comments, I imagine a lot of Bitcoin related channels aren't monetized or find it difficult to do so.

This is what happens when a service becomes too mainstream. I started watching and uploading videos on YouTube really early (when it had this symbol! [1]) and it, then, began to ruin. Maybe around 2015-2016?

I was thinking of a song that I hadn't heard it in a long time and once I opened up YouTube it showed it in the recommended, I SWEAR! Orwell's masterpieces couldn't be more accurate.

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Yeah, it's funny how their original motto was "Don't be evil".  They've certainly veered way off course from the early days, and I'm not even sure how they defined "evil" back then.  Granted, censoring certain things isn't the worst offense known to man, but they're involved in all sorts of shady shit. 

Not sure why they're deleting references to bitcointalk, unless the ".org" part is included, in which case their bots might detect it as link spam.  I can't see any reason why they'd have anything against the forum, so it's probably some kind of glitch in whatever nefarious algorithm they're running to detect words they don't approve of.  Speaking of that, videos made by paid Youtubers sound ridiculous.  They have to bleep out words like rape, profanity, and all sorts of other ones advertisers probably came up with that shouldn't be spoken. 

I swear, 1984 is here, but it's not the government that's completely playing the big brother role.  I'd say corporations are filling that one nicely.

I am not surprised at all, google is censorship king right now and I think they are also deleting certain words and phrases (bitcoin could be one of them) not only links.
It might be a good idea to post videos on multiple platforms and Twitch or Vimeo comes first on my mind as a good alternatives.

PSA: Youtube seems to be deleting comments containing BitcoinTalk. So far it seems to delete just links, seems Youtube is allergic to links. You could read more about that here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/youtube-deleting-comments-any-idea-why-5365512

Good start cyrus wish for your success
Cannot wait for more videos and I think your contents are more interesting than other bitcointalk vlog.

I don’t think the day of the week new videos are released is particularly important, as long as it is consistent. You should set this according to your schedule so that you can reliably release videos that day. If your release schedule doesn’t match when viewers are able to watch new videos, viewers will watch new videos later. If you say you will post new videos on Tuesday, and someone can view new videos on Thursday, if they check your channel on Thursday to not find a new video, they might not come back to look for additional videos.

I understand that, I truly do.  But my first thought upon seeing the teaser video was to smash that like button and subscribe for more content (a phrase that I'm sure every single one of you recognizes).  I subscribed immediately because I wanted to support the channel and help it out in a small way by adding to its subscriber numbers--and whether other folks who've posted in this thread don't have a habit of subscribing to channels they watch frequently or not, I kind of expected the same sentiment from many of them, that they'd show their support by subbing to the channel.

And believe me, I very rarely subscribe to any channels.  I'm exactly the type of Youtuber who doesn't need that functionality to help me find stuff worth watching.  But subscribing to bitcointalk's channel?  That was a no-brainer for me.

It's easy to overestimate the importance of that metric, though.  Some people can watch loads of content on a given channel and still never subscribe to it.  I do that a whole bunch.  No idea why.  But based on what some youtubers are saying when they're asking people to subscribe, I'm definitely not the only one who does it.