Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" - page 8.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on May 31, 2016, 01:16:26 AM

Quote from: el_rlee on May 31, 2016, 12:38:25 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on May 31, 2016, 12:19:03 AM

what's the status about the shitty miner producers?

BitFury bankrupt soon?

Why don't you produce your own miner and make it better? It's cutting edge technology, things might not always work the way they are meant to.

Yeah,you can do pre-orders,make millions then tell those same customers "Thanks for the bankroll now go fuck yourself,the next several generations of our hardware is ours!!" Wink

Then come back saying "Hey,we're gonna sell you some miners/chips in a few weeks",then not say a fuckin word for months!!! Cool

... while others sell miners with chips coming obviously from the same factory which delivery troubles are your excuse Roll Eyes

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Quote from: el_rlee on May 31, 2016, 12:38:25 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on May 31, 2016, 12:19:03 AM

what's the status about the shitty miner producers?

BitFury bankrupt soon?

Why don't you produce your own miner and make it better? It's cutting edge technology, things might not always work the way they are meant to.

Yeah,you can do pre-orders,make millions then tell those same customers "Thanks for the bankroll now go fuck yourself,the next several generations of our hardware is ours!!" Wink

Then come back saying "Hey,we're gonna sell you some miners/chips in a few weeks",then not say a fuckin word for months!!! Cool

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Quote from: el_rlee on May 31, 2016, 12:38:25 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on May 31, 2016, 12:19:03 AM

what's the status about the shitty miner producers?

BitFury bankrupt soon?

Why don't you produce your own miner and make it better? It's cutting edge technology, things might not always work the way they are meant to.

greed is the root of all evil Wink

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Quote from: Gyrsur on May 31, 2016, 12:19:03 AM

what's the status about the shitty miner producers?

BitFury bankrupt soon?

Why don't you produce your own miner and make it better? It's cutting edge technology, things might not always work the way they are meant to.

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what's the status about the shitty miner producers?

BitFury bankrupt soon?

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Quote from: toptek on May 30, 2016, 05:10:40 PM

at some point it has to stop ? what I mean is when it goes to zero nm will it start like - 90 nm , often wondered what happens at zero. even before i got into bitcoins with just PC's.

The problem is actually how large is an electron. cause down to a certain size, it just simply wont fit through the gate when activated..... Also the smaller the trace the easier it is for an electron to jump lanes and be where its totally not supposed to be. This has been an issue in the development of small size IC for a little bit now.

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Quote from: toptek on May 30, 2016, 05:10:40 PM

at some point it has to stop ? what I mean is when it goes to zero nm will it start like - 90 nm , often wondered what happens at zero. even before i got into bitcoins with just PC's.

if it were 0 nm it would not exist.

Unless I completely misunderstood this article

https://www.synopsys.com/COMPANY/PUBLICATIONS/SYNOPSYSINSIGHT/Pages/Art2-finfet-challenges-ip-IssQ3-12.aspx

(https://www.synopsys.com/COMPANY/PUBLICATIONS/SYNOPSYSINSIGHT/Pages/Art2-finfet-challenges-ip-IssQ3-12.aspx)

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at some point it has to stop ? what I mean is when it goes to zero nm will it start like - 90 nm , often wondered what happens at zero. even before i got into bitcoins with just PC's.

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heh heh Just tossing this out there... Wink

https://hosteddocs.emediausa.com/foundation_ip_for_7nm_finfets_wp.pdf
And folks think the birthing of 16/14nm chips was/is painful...

As a most-basic primer on just what a FinFET is https://www.synopsys.com/COMPANY/PUBLICATIONS/SYNOPSYSINSIGHT/Pages/Art2-finfet-challenges-ip-IssQ3-12.aspx

Can't wait to see the hubbub and speculation about mining ASICs based on those nodes in the coming year(s) Tongue

edit: To those who like to talk of designing/producing a community mining ASIC using the latest and greatest node sizes -- at least skim through that to get a hint of just what is involved.

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I agree.
Ja you were the 1st to post a link here to TSMC's PR though I think it was to their shorter one (they did 2 on the extended production recovery timeline) but I think that Punin was referring more to my posts expounding upon the implications of what TSMC said. Oh, link to my (last) post on the TSMC Guidance PR https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14775020

However when it comes to the 16/14nm nodes there are only 3 Foundries that after years of 'just around the corner' can finally do them. Excluding Intel and IBM who only make chips for themselves you have TSMC with their 16nm FinFets, and Samsung along with Global Foundries for 14nm size. Of those last 2 Samsung would REALLY rather keep production for their use only but have shown they *are* willing to shall we say dabble in boutique chips. GF... Well they finally had to license Samsung's (edit for clarity: 14nm) tech because their attempts were still not working but at least they are open to all comers.

Now 22/28nm nodes -- The big 3 have all that now very mature tech long ago paid for not to mention that those nodes are also available from several other foundries as well. ~~Hell, even India has 2 'home-grown' 28nm Foundries that also handle the even now more mundane bigger nodes up to micron size~~...

edit 2: after an inquiry I did a search on India and fabs -- seems the progress on them stalled last year... Still, lots of high node fabs around ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on May 20, 2016, 12:37:55 AM

Quote from: punin on May 19, 2016, 07:59:18 AM

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well Wink

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

Thanks for the complement but aside from digging up TSMC's Guidance press release it wasn't homework per se. Supplying critical process equipment for over 25 years to one of the if not the largest chip packaging/contract sub-assemblies company in Taiwan gives a lot of insight on process timing and new product development cycle times along with the customer pecking order when issues like fire/flood/earthquake arise.

BitFury and others looking for boutique 16/14nm chips have invested several 10's, even 100's of millions $$ to get chips made but Tier-1 customers have literally invested Billions with TSMC over the past few years so 1 guess who is first in line once a fab is back online...

That aside, rather enigmatic comment as well. Since 2Q (ref the TSMC PR) is almost 2/3 over I take it BitFury is starting to get initial pre-production/engineering sample wafers or gods forbid - full production approved wafers even if in limited numbers?

Hey Hey! I dug up the press release! Wink

Not long time ago a foundry guy told me that he thinks that it is the wrong way for a foundry to hunt for the big $500M opportunities only. He said, the foundries have to take the “small” $50M opportunities seriously in the future.

The sad thing is, that $50M in 28nm wafers would be about 1000 PH!

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Quote from: punin on May 19, 2016, 07:59:18 AM

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well Wink

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

Thanks for the complement but aside from digging up TSMC's Guidance press release it wasn't homework per se. Supplying bleeding-edge critical process equipment for over 25 years to one of the if not the largest chip packaging/contract sub-assemblies company in Taiwan gives a lot of insight on process timing and new product development cycle times along with the customer pecking order when issues like fire/flood/earthquake arise.

BitFury and others looking for boutique 16/14nm chips have invested several 10's, even maybe up to the low 100's of millions $$ to get chips made but Tier-1 customers have invested literally Billions with TSMC over the past few years so 1 guess who is first in line once a fab is back online...

That aside, rather enigmatic comment as well. Since 2Q (ref the TSMC PR) is almost 2/3 over I take it BitFury is starting to get initial pre-production/engineering sample wafers or gods forbid - full production approved wafers even if in limited numbers?

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Quote from: punin on May 19, 2016, 07:59:18 AM

Quote from: tmfp on May 19, 2016, 05:17:14 AM

Quote from: kilo17 on May 15, 2016, 04:20:31 AM

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month Wink

) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

First of all the bet was personal. Second, I asked kilo17 for a BTC address for settlement, and I'm still waiting for him to provide me that address. He later on wrote in another thread that he was hoping to get chips instead.

I'm unable to send him chips, so I can't do much but wait for him to provide an address, or for him to wait until I can send some sample chips to him.

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well Wink

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

I am more interested in the chips than the 1 BTC, I am glad to see you are around. I may have missed you asking for my address, I apologize. I am more interested in getting our project underway. Wink

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Quote from: sidehack on May 19, 2016, 08:29:47 AM

Pinout, voltage range and maybe a bit of info on the comm multiplexer chip would be nice. This can be taken to PM or email.

Pinout and footprint for both chips for me too if possible.

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Hey punin, good to see you back in the thread. Thanks for clarifying a few things.

So sample chips are out for a while. Good to know. Can I request some documentation on the chips? Pinout, voltage range and maybe a bit of info on the comm multiplexer chip would be nice. This can be taken to PM or email.

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Quote from: tmfp on May 19, 2016, 05:17:14 AM

Quote from: kilo17 on May 15, 2016, 04:20:31 AM

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month Wink

) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

First of all the bet was personal. Second, I asked kilo17 for a BTC address for settlement, and I'm still waiting for him to provide me that address. He later on wrote in another thread that he was hoping to get chips instead.

I'm unable to send him chips, so I can't do much but wait for him to provide an address, or for him to wait until I can send some sample chips to him.

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well Wink

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

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He did come back and ask for an address to send the 1BTC to. I don't know if an address was ever given, as that was around the time Kilo was offline for a couple weeks. I know Kilo mentioned asking about trading the 1BTC for some sample chips or documentation but I can't say if that was ever addressed by BitFury.

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Is that shortly in 2017?!?! Roll Eyes

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Quote from: kilo17 on May 15, 2016, 04:20:31 AM

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month Wink

) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

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Ok next gen miners need to come out in two weeks I will have 3k to 4k to get going bigger.

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