[Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 23.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 17, 2021, 06:58:40 PM

Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

I'm very worried about Pacquiao he is facing two adversaries right now his coming fight with Spence and his ongoing fight in his political party, another faction of his he was just ousted as a party president of the ruling party PDP Laban, not the best time for this to happen I hope Manny is still ok, politics is really dirty in the Philippines, they should have deferred or delay the decision after Pacquiao's fight.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 17, 2021, 06:58:40 PM

Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

Similar to other high profile sports personalities, they have to maintain their lifestyle that's why they needed that kind of money to sustain them for the next decade. Plus as other have pointed out, Pacquiao has this political ambitions so in the Philippines, you need to have billions of pesos to run for the Presidency. Just one fight and easy $20 million = 1 billion PHP. Yeah that's a lot of money, but it won't last with Pacquiao's personalities.

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Bookmakers rate Spence as a clear favorite - the odds of him winning are about 1.2. I tend to agree with them - he is younger, taller, faster. Can't understand why Pacquiao needs this fight? Another plus in the defeat column but for a lot of money? It seems to me that he has already provided for himself for the rest of his life and could well end his career.

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Quote from: tippytoes on July 17, 2021, 06:38:38 PM

Just look at the recent YT videos of ESNews - https://www.youtube.com/user/ESNEWS and fighthype - https://www.youtube.com/user/fighthype. They are uploading the preparations of Pacquiao. And I can say, Pacquiao seemed to be pretty serious in his training here. This match is getting interesting and less than a month of waiting. A lot of fans for sure are waiting for Pacquiao to be in the ring again.

Pacman is training like there's no tomorrow, that is what we see in him whenever he trains and kudos to him on that but the real question would be in the actual fight. Could he bring the same amount of intensity until the twelve rounds or even in the fourth quarter of the fight, that's the question that remains to be seen.

If only it is a 3 or 6 rounds fight, then Pacman would have the advantage as he still have the speed and power. Hope I'm wrong though but that is what I see in him in being his long time fan Cool

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Quote from: Ryker1 on July 17, 2021, 05:26:23 PM

Well, those who want to follow Manny Pacquiao's social media on what's he going on will perhaps see his Facebook account, he is very active there.
In this post on his social media, ^{[ https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiao/posts/351408703023297 ]}, his determination and focus on trading will give him a best practice, and look at his trainer there ^[Buboy] it looks like his hand was swollen during their rehearsal.
I know both fighters here are both aggressive and I can not wait to see their fight.

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Well, it's all about his PR team that manages to do all of those posts and answers to the queries from the other career that he got. The most important thing is that we're pretty sure that he manage to focus on his training as this is the fight that everyone is waiting for and also for him. It's such a big fight to bend his focus into other things and for sure that we're going to watch a good match from these two. Spence is a strong opponent and I've seen a video that he managed to ask Manny a fight after he has won a match back then, exactly on the same ring they stand on.

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Quote from: boyptc on July 17, 2021, 05:24:12 PM

I do not know if Manny can still focus on this match. There's a lot that's been happening to his politics life.

The stress that his political career brings him at the same time while preparing for the fight, I just can't think how he can handle them calmly.

Just look at the recent YT videos of ESNews - https://www.youtube.com/user/ESNEWS and fighthype - https://www.youtube.com/user/fighthype. They are uploading the preparations of Pacquiao. And I can say, Pacquiao seemed to be pretty serious in his training here. This match is getting interesting and less than a month of waiting. A lot of fans for sure are waiting for Pacquiao to be in the ring again.

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Well, those who want to follow Manny Pacquiao's social media on what's he going on will perhaps see his Facebook account, he is very active there.
In this post on his social media, ^{[ https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiao/posts/351408703023297 ]}, his determination and focus on trading will give him a best practice, and look at his trainer there ^[Buboy] it looks like his hand was swollen during their rehearsal.
I know both fighters here are both aggressive and I can not wait to see their fight.

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I do not know if Manny can still focus on this match. There's a lot that's been happening to his politics life.

The stress that his political career brings him at the same time while preparing for the fight, I just can't think how he can handle them calmly.

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Quote from: electronicash on July 17, 2021, 09:34:25 AM

on the other hand, Spence is the undisputed champ. you can't just knock the man without struggling. he is also younger, the fatality he can damage while Pacquiao has aged...result could be..

Errol Spence is the undisputed champion and he is younger and he is able to defeat Manny Pacquiao then that could help him launch his career and big money fights after that.

Well, that would make him more popular as betting a legend is a big success in his boxing career, and if he wins, he is still undefeated though there's still a boxer that he has to beat which is Crawford, but if Crawford is not willing to fight, Spence might move up in weight and fight champions again.

^ I don't have much idea about how they technically make an analysis regarding the per matches and who will probably fight with Manny Pacquiao after this Spence match. They are both undisputed and I think this fight will give us full entertainment during the event and for sure people are happy to watch them. Nevertheless, is almost near and probably both sides now are already prepared to fight in the ring. I saw a short clip of Manny Pacquiao's training and I think he works hard on it.

What I see is that Spence has a bigger stake in this fight because if he lose here, he might not get big fights but if Pacquiao will lose, he can still get big fights since that legendary status will be forever with him, and he draws a lot of crowds so promoters will not hesitate to support his fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 17, 2021, 03:28:59 PM

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on the other hand, Spence is the undisputed champ. you can't just knock the man without struggling. he is also younger, the fatality he can damage while Pacquiao has aged...result could be..

Errol Spence is the undisputed champion and he is younger and he is able to defeat Manny Pacquiao then that could help him launch his career and big money fights after that.

Well, that would make him more popular as betting a legend is a big success in his boxing career, and if he wins, he is still undefeated though there's still a boxer that he has to beat which is Crawford, but if Crawford is not willing to fight, Spence might move up in weight and fight champions again.

^ I don't have much idea about how they technically make an analysis regarding the per matches and who will probably fight with Manny Pacquiao after this Spence match. They are both undisputed and I think this fight will give us full entertainment during the event and for sure people are happy to watch them. Nevertheless, is almost near and probably both sides now are already prepared to fight in the ring. I saw a short clip of Manny Pacquiao's training and I think he works hard on it.

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Quote from: electronicash on July 17, 2021, 09:34:25 AM

on the other hand, Spence is the undisputed champ. you can't just knock the man without struggling. he is also younger, the fatality he can damage while Pacquiao has aged...result could be..

Errol Spence is the undisputed champion and he is younger and he is able to defeat Manny Pacquiao then that could help him launch his career and big money fights after that.

Well, that would make him more popular as betting a legend is a big success in his boxing career, and if he wins, he is still undefeated though there's still a boxer that he has to beat which is Crawford, but if Crawford is not willing to fight, Spence might move up in weight and fight champions again.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 17, 2021, 01:47:05 PM

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^^ I doubt that it will break into the top 5 much less in the top 10.

Probably around 400-600 thousand buys might be a good estimates at a stretch. Pre-pandemic, it might broke 1 million, and so far I haven't seen any reports of fight in 2021 that generated over 500k, Canelo Alvarez, the current cash cow, have sold 300k vs Smith.

Even the live gate tickets is not yet sold out.

Canelo vs. Callum Smith was on DAZN and not on traditional pay-per-view. It was against Callum's brother Liam that Canelo sold 300k PPVs in 2016.

Right, but still it was way below expectations, regardless if it is non or traditional ppv. The question is why does DAZN put in on on traditional ppv.

Canelo vs Saunders draw 400k. That's why I draw the line for the Pacquiao vs Spence, at the lowest it could be around the numbers.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 17, 2021, 01:47:05 PM

The gate looks to be doing really well since they have sold most of the tickets. Keep in mind they don't need to sell every seat for it to be a huge success. Mayweather's fight against McGregor fell way short of a sell out and had the second biggest gate ever.

Maybe what I said is misleading, we will not see a full sold out tickets because in boxing or any other sports, there is this thing called complimentary tickets.

Yes, it could be a success if the ticket has not been totally sold out, but I would say that it has something to do with how much money the fighter will get. The live gates could be split 60-40 in favour of Manny.

Canelo vs Saunders sold almost 70k tickets which generated $9 million alone.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 16, 2021, 01:08:31 PM

^^ I doubt that it will break into the top 5 much less in the top 10.

Probably around 400-600 thousand buys might be a good estimates at a stretch. Pre-pandemic, it might broke 1 million, and so far I haven't seen any reports of fight in 2021 that generated over 500k, Canelo Alvarez, the current cash cow, have sold 300k vs Smith.

Even the live gate tickets is not yet sold out.

Canelo vs. Callum Smith was on DAZN and not on traditional pay-per-view. It was against Callum's brother Liam that Canelo sold 300k PPVs in 2016.

The gate looks to be doing really well since they have sold most of the tickets. Keep in mind they don't need to sell every seat for it to be a huge success. Mayweather's fight against McGregor fell way short of a sell out and had the second biggest gate ever.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 16, 2021, 01:08:31 PM

^^ I doubt that it will break into the top 5 much less in the top 10.

Probably around 400-600 thousand buys might be a good estimates at a stretch. Pre-pandemic, it might broke 1 million, and so far I haven't seen any reports of fight in 2021 that generated over 500k, Canelo Alvarez, the current cash cow, have sold 300k vs Smith.

They still have one month and days to sell this fight, I guess the PPV will be high and probably higher than Alvarez vs Smith as these two are champions and we know they are popular boxers especially Manny who is a legend. If they can at least sell 1 million PPV, that would be a huge income already for the two and Manny will not regret taking only the $5 million purse on this fight.

Quote from: Baofeng on July 16, 2021, 01:08:31 PM

Even the live gate tickets is not yet sold out.

Where to monitor the status of this one?

Yes, that's why I pegged it around 400k ppv buy, more than Canelo's fight for this year.

You can go here: https://www.axs.com/events/406214/pacquiao-vs-spence-tickets?skin=tmobile

Tickets are still available for this fight. Although some of the tickets that are not yet sold are in the range of $1k going up to $6k, and it's resell, that's why it is very expensive for some.

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Quote from: electronicash on July 17, 2021, 09:34:25 AM

pacquiao still has the punching power. odd will almost triple your money. i'm probably going to give it a try win or lose. it's still Pacquiao. i hope he isn't badly affected by the critics in politics which he collided with a popular president in the country.

If Manny Pacquiao is still having the punching power and the speed he used to have in his prime then no one is going to defeat him. I am a boxing fan and i have no idea about his political career but i know from social media and new channels that he is helping his community and that he did not fight for the past two years especially because of the global pandemic.

Quote from: electronicash on July 17, 2021, 09:34:25 AM

on the other hand, Spence is the undisputed champ. you can't just knock the man without struggling. he is also younger, the fatality he can damage while Pacquiao has aged...result could be..

Errol Spence is the undisputed champion and he is younger and he is able to defeat Manny Pacquiao then that could help him launch his career and big money fights after that.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 09, 2021, 03:32:09 PM

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We will have to wait and see, many times the one thing that ends up hurting those at the very top is complacency, basically the believe they will always be at the top forgetting the fact of all the effort they needed to make in order to reach that position on the first place.

And if Manny gets distracted by other things that are outside the realm of boxing this could affect his performance, now I do not think this is likely as he has shown time and time again to not be affected by this, but you never know especially if he is really thinking on running for the presidency of his country.

Trusting him is very important, despite what he is experiencing now in politics, we should still continue to believe that he will do his best to win this fight. It's not the biggest fight of his career as he has been into tough fights before, and he has proven many times how good he is by winning those fights, so it's not right to doubt him in this fight, this man is a legend for a reason.

Make no mistake I am not doubting him even for a second, I even said as much in my previous post, but we must acknowledge that the possibility is always there and if anything it is getting higher as not only Manny lost more than a year due to the pandemic but it seems his political career is getting more serious, which is something that could affect his performance during the next fight.

Also we cannot forget that even if boxing is a very popular sport there are many decisions even on big fights that leave people wondering if the fight was fixed, and if Spence is thought to be a superstar by promoters this could play a factor during the next fight.

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Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

What controversies are you alluding too? People support him because he is one of the best boxers to have fought. Yes he has started losing more towards the end of his boxing career or winning but not as convincingly as he did when he was younger but they guy is one of the most exciting and technical boxers ever. Errol Spence Jr does not have much for Manny when you compare their boxing abilities I think a convincing Manny Pac win is on the cards.

He is talking about the politics in the Philippines in which Manny has somewhat attack the current and sitting President before he went to the US and train and it might cause some distractions on Manny side in preparation for the Errol Spence fight.

But as far as boxing is concern, he is well loved and supported even if he is the underdog in this fight. This is a big challenge for him and hope that he can focus on it despite on what's going on his country regarding his political ambitions.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on July 17, 2021, 11:40:33 AM

Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

What controversies are you alluding too? People support him because he is one of the best boxers to have fought. Yes he has started losing more towards the end of his boxing career or winning but not as convincingly as he did when he was younger but they guy is one of the most exciting and technical boxers ever. Errol Spence Jr does not have much for Manny when you compare their boxing abilities I think a convincing Manny Pac win is on the cards.

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Despite the controversies in the politics that I don't really like about him, there will be many supporters for Manny Pacquiao when it comes to boxing, and right now Pacquaio is busy and focus on his fight with Errol Spence that he is now training in the U.S. where the fight will be held, I have seen his training he still got his speed and punching power but he can not underestimate his opponent Errol Spence Jr. because Spence is just 31 years old to the 42 years old Manny Pacquiao, but I will be biased here because when it comes to Filipino boxer just like the Nonito Donaire fight I will surely support Manny Pacquaio all the way when it comes to boxing.

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pacquiao still has the punching power. odd will almost triple your money. i'm probably going to give it a try win or lose. it's still Pacquiao. i hope he isn't badly affected by the critics in politics which he collided with a popular president in the country.

on the other hand, Spence is the undisputed champ. you can't just knock the man without struggling. he is also younger, the fatality he can damage while Pacquiao has aged...result could be..

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