Topic: [Boxing]: Manny Pacquiao vs Errol Spence Jr - August 21 - page 26. (Read 8230 times)

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 09, 2021, 08:49:22 PM

It seems like betting/odds tracker noticed that there are still a lot of bets in favour of Pacquiao. So, they have to balance everything out to generate a good betting lines.
And I agree, It won't touch below 2.0 considering how dangerous Spence is for Pacquiao, but many bettors still believe Pacquiao could win this one If he will apply a smart veteran tactics. +2.65 might be the final betting line for the Pacman.

In this forum, yeah there are many users who still thinks Pacman could pulled out this one but I don't think it's enough to sway or even balance the betting odds in favor of Manny.

If indeed Manny will win this one, then lucky are those who bet for him as they will win big just like the fight against De La Hoya and boxing analyst would start praising him for his achievements but they never did praise him before the fight as most of them favored Errol to win.

The odds on deal hoya fight for Manny is pretty much the same.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/manny-pacquiao-betting-odds

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Against Oscar De La Hoya +160

However, if we compare the past to the present, I think Manny is more recognize today as he has already achieved being an 8 division champion, the only reason why Manny is an underdog is because he is already 42 years old in this coming fight.

Yeah, you can't really compare the odds back then against Oscar. Manny is going up in weight there and Dela Hoya already old is the more recognizable name that time. I do hope though that history will not repeat itself here. Because now it's Manny who is the older, yes he might have the speed and power, but he is facing a more hungrier and young fighter in Errol Spence.

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Both 5'10 and south paw (left handed), similar to Spence height and fighting stance.

And then we have the more experienced Ivan Redkach, listed as 5'9 but he could be taller.

So Freddy Roach comes big with his sparring partners (literally) going to push Manny specially young fighters like Rocha. Manny though is used to fight bigger guys so probably just a small adjustments on his part. But he hasn't seen or box a fighter like Spence, at his prime and he is a lefty like him.

Thanks mate. That would play an important role for the upcoming fight of Manny and Errol. And by the way, they had already their show up to the media.
I cannot find some media that has covered their show up and Manny even told why he chose Errol over other potential opponents that he've got.

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 11, 2021, 08:34:14 AM

In this forum, yeah there are many users who still thinks Pacman could pulled out this one but I don't think it's enough to sway or even balance the betting odds in favor of Manny.

That's hard to change because we believe that Manny can but it's okay to think that he's going to pull this one. But I'm sure that there are also other fans that's eyeing for Errol.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 11, 2021, 08:34:14 AM

It seems like betting/odds tracker noticed that there are still a lot of bets in favour of Pacquiao. So, they have to balance everything out to generate a good betting lines.
And I agree, It won't touch below 2.0 considering how dangerous Spence is for Pacquiao, but many bettors still believe Pacquiao could win this one If he will apply a smart veteran tactics. +2.65 might be the final betting line for the Pacman.

In this forum, yeah there are many users who still thinks Pacman could pulled out this one but I don't think it's enough to sway or even balance the betting odds in favor of Manny.

If indeed Manny will win this one, then lucky are those who bet for him as they will win big just like the fight against De La Hoya and boxing analyst would start praising him for his achievements but they never did praise him before the fight as most of them favored Errol to win.

The odds on deal hoya fight for Manny is pretty much the same.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/manny-pacquiao-betting-odds

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Against Oscar De La Hoya +160

However, if we compare the past to the present, I think Manny is more recognize today as he has already achieved being an 8 division champion, the only reason why Manny is an underdog is because he is already 42 years old in this coming fight.

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It seems like betting/odds tracker noticed that there are still a lot of bets in favour of Pacquiao. So, they have to balance everything out to generate a good betting lines.
And I agree, It won't touch below 2.0 considering how dangerous Spence is for Pacquiao, but many bettors still believe Pacquiao could win this one If he will apply a smart veteran tactics. +2.65 might be the final betting line for the Pacman.

In this forum, yeah there are many users who still thinks Pacman could pulled out this one but I don't think it's enough to sway or even balance the betting odds in favor of Manny.

If indeed Manny will win this one, then lucky are those who bet for him as they will win big just like the fight against De La Hoya and boxing analyst would start praising him for his achievements but they never did praise him before the fight as most of them favored Errol to win.

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Quote from: harizen on July 10, 2021, 11:48:54 PM

Quote from: harizen on July 10, 2021, 11:48:54 PM

Anyone put your bet now Pacquiao odds are slowly decreasing, last time I checked it was 2.70, now it's only 2.65.

If I'm not mistaken odds for Pacquiao is around @3 prior to traveling to the United States for practice.

That's the time when Pacquiao is having a heated discussion with the government and under the controversy against the Paradigm Sports.

But for me, it will never touch below @2. I think the lowest will be @2.5. There's no way Pacman will only have a slight difference against Spence Jr. or changed the status from underdog to favorites.

It seems like betting/odds tracker noticed that there are still a lot of bets in favour of Pacquiao. So, they have to balance everything out to generate a good betting lines.
And I agree, It won't touch below 2.0 considering how dangerous Spence is for Pacquiao, but many bettors still believe Pacquiao could win this one If he will apply a smart veteran tactics. +2.65 might be the final betting line for the Pacman.

And it will just go down, so we have a better value now although we can still get a good value a day before the fight or even hours. But you know, if you really trust Pacquiao to win and you have the budget to gamble now, why wait for the fight night?

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Quote from: boyptc on July 10, 2021, 06:17:51 PM

Anyone put your bet now Pacquiao odds are slowly decreasing, last time I checked it was 2.70, now it's only 2.65.

If I'm not mistaken odds for Pacquiao is around @3 prior to traveling to the United States for practice.

That's the time when Pacquiao is having a heated discussion with the government and under the controversy against the Paradigm Sports.

But for me, it will never touch below @2. I think the lowest will be @2.5. There's no way Pacman will only have a slight difference against Spence Jr. or changed the status from underdog to favorites.

It seems like betting/odds tracker noticed that there are still a lot of bets in favour of Pacquiao. So, they have to balance everything out to generate a good betting lines.
And I agree, It won't touch below 2.0 considering how dangerous Spence is for Pacquiao, but many bettors still believe Pacquiao could win this one If he will apply a smart veteran tactics. +2.65 might be the final betting line for the Pacman.

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The current Pacman is no longer the old Pacman. The desire to get more into boxing is lesser this time because of his ambition.

Indeed but I dont think he is capable to lead the country. People around him might be the ones convincing him to run, this past few days he became controversial for speaking against the administration about corruption and its obvious why he did this since elections are few months away.

But for now he need to win this fight first before anything else, currently placing my bet.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on July 10, 2021, 11:01:37 PM

Anyone put your bet now Pacquiao odds are slowly decreasing, last time I checked it was 2.70, now it's only 2.65.

If I'm not mistaken odds for Pacquiao is around @3 prior to traveling to the United States for practice.

That's the time when Pacquiao is having a heated discussion with the government and under the controversy against the Paradigm Sports.

But for me, it will never touch below @2. I think the lowest will be @2.5. There's no way Pacman will only have a slight difference against Spence Jr. or changed the status from underdog to favorites.

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I don't think we can speak for his ambitions. Even if someone is a follower of Pacquiao, we don't know his real ambitions in life especially now that his faith has changed. Boxing is the career that brought good life to his family and I believe his heart will always be in boxing even after his retirement. Anyway, Spence is fighting a boxing legend, that alone will be an honor for him.

But it seems that Manny Pacquiao has more ambitions that he would like to excell. I mean yes we can't speak about his ambitions in life or speak either if he could still stand as a good boxer inside the ring but I know that boxing is truly his passion and where he excelled most when he was a bit younger than today. I think his some career and also the age of Manny Pacquiao today may affect on the betting odds favor to him.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 09:39:37 AM

Nevertheless, as I can say, he must think it wisely or prefer to stay on his boxing career, he has a lot of money.

That won't happen anymore.

The current Pacman is no longer the old Pacman. The desire to get more into boxing is lesser this time because of his ambition.

Everyone knows what he's dealing with right now and it seems that this upcoming match of him isn't as exciting as before for me.

I don't think we can speak for his ambitions. Even if someone is a follower of Pacquiao, we don't know his real ambitions in life especially now that his faith has changed. Boxing is the career that brought good life to his family and I believe his heart will always be in boxing even after his retirement. Anyway, Spence is fighting a boxing legend, that alone will be an honor for him.

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Quote from: Dave1 on July 10, 2021, 06:42:12 PM

Yeah, that's the advantage of taking an early bet on the underdog in boxing. If you bet early you can get a good odds instead of waiting as the fight gets closer.

sportsbet.io odds right now:

This might go down 2.00 or even 1.98 in my opinion as the fight approaches.

high likely that it may go down a lil bit. so if you believe there will be an upset, better place your bets right now. pacquiao is having a very rigid training as it shows from the videos posted in YT. but we dont know what prep is spence camp doing.
been watching also some of the breakdowns of the fight by boxers, and they are very informative. so more then likely, both camps are also watching those breakdowns.

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Quote from: Oilacris on July 10, 2021, 05:30:10 PM

Just like what others been suggesting that its better to focus out on his boxing career rather than on pushing into things which i dont see for him to see fit or even the majority is looking the same way too.

I agree with that although we can't really prevent sometimes from discussing politics since he is a popular icon.

Anyone put your bet now Pacquiao odds are slowly decreasing, last time I checked it was 2.70, now it's only 2.65.

I remember someone said that Pacquiao's odds are an underdog during the announcement of the fight but as the fight is getting closer and people are seeing his condition, that odds will slowly go down and who knows he might become the betting favorites as the game is approaching.

So take it now while the odds are still good.

Yeah, that's the advantage of taking an early bet on the underdog in boxing. If you bet early you can get a good odds instead of waiting as the fight gets closer.

sportsbet.io odds right now:

This might go down 2.00 or even 1.98 in my opinion as the fight approaches.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on July 10, 2021, 09:39:37 AM

Nevertheless, as I can say, he must think it wisely or prefer to stay on his boxing career, he has a lot of money.

That won't happen anymore.

The current Pacman is no longer the old Pacman. The desire to get more into boxing is lesser this time because of his ambition.

Everyone knows what he's dealing with right now and it seems that this upcoming match of him isn't as exciting as before for me.

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Quote from: Oilacris on July 10, 2021, 05:30:10 PM

Just like what others been suggesting that its better to focus out on his boxing career rather than on pushing into things which i dont see for him to see fit or even the majority is looking the same way too.

I agree with that although we can't really prevent sometimes from discussing politics since he is a popular icon.

Anyone put your bet now Pacquiao odds are slowly decreasing, last time I checked it was 2.70, now it's only 2.65.

I remember someone said that Pacquiao's odds are an underdog during the announcement of the fight but as the fight is getting closer and people are seeing his condition, that odds will slowly go down and who knows he might become the betting favorites as the game is approaching.

So take it now while the odds are still good.

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Despite the age gap, Manny still has the capability to win this fight. He joins into politics but he is still busy on his boxing exercises making his body is in good shape even for how many years he is not on the ring for a fight. Spencer is also a tough guy but he is not tough as Manny.
Well, the best (beast) man wins. We have to find out if Spencer has something to give explosively or Manny knock him down and end the fight before 12 rounds.

Age is a major factor in any sport as your body cannot hold at the top level for a long time, if Manny Pacquiao was really training for the past two years despite his political career we never saw any footage but once he landed in US it seems that he finally got hold of a camera to release his training footage, so i do not buy that training regime on a daily basis despite his political career and if he is able to beat Errol Spence he should retire on top and only come out for the huge pay day.

Its not really necessary that every training session he would really record it and show into the public and despite of his political position then we dont know if he's still continuing on his training even though its not really that too
much but at least he doesnt forget on maintaining his shape and body condition.

Its been mentioned that this fight with Spence would be his last? https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/06/08/pacquiao-spence-fight-could-be-my-last/

Also spence vows to KO pacquiao to send a legend into retirement? https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/errol-spence-vows-knockout-manny-pacquiao-send-legend-into-retirement

I would not believe that it will be the last fight of Pacquiao, if he wins this fight, for sure he would challenge Crawford again so he will be the king in the welterweight division. Maybe let's talk about that after the fight, but for now, Pacquiao is focus on winning the fight to continue making his legacy in boxing.

It might not be his last fight, but if you are going to ask me, he is more ambitious now in his quest to be a President of the country. He has already reached the peak of his boxing career and he has already gotten all his wealth and fame and all, blood sweat and tears and sacrifice and people understand that. I am not sure he can give both politics and boxing the equal time for him to be efficient at both. I mean, he should have achieved more if he just concentrated on his boxing career than being a politician.

Politics is another thing and if i were him its better to quit it out because he's really getting lots of bashes from his countrymen in regarding on running as Presidency and thats an another topic to discuss on.

Whether he do retire on boxing or not then he's the only one who could make out such decision and if he had some plans on challenging Crawford then that would really be a good fight to look on.

Just like what others been suggesting that its better to focus out on his boxing career rather than on pushing into things which i dont see for him to see fit or even the majority is looking the same way too.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 10, 2021, 11:06:17 AM

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\ with that said, he should think wisely before making a political decision.

I think he has already decided, with his move, we can tell that he is serious about running for the presidency, the saddest part is he was just looking and hins financial capacity to finance his campaign but does not look on his political knowledge to run a good country. Anyone that is educated would support Manny as a boxer but will not as a politician, that's the reality.

For the record, he has not, we can only confirm that he has decided if he will file the candidacy.

I believe he announces already that he will run for Presidency although he has not officially file a candidacy, for me, that confirmation is already enough to believe our assumption is correct.

Well, he should focus on the fight as we don't want to hear some excuses like Conor McGregor said that he loses focus on the rematch against Dustin Poirier because he was thinking too much about his fight with Pacquiao, so I'm afraid Pacquiao will use politics as an excuse if he loses in this fight.

Comparing the discipline of Manny Pacquiao and Conor McGregor, you can easily tell the difference and you'll favor Manny Pacquiao because he remains humble despite being an 8 division world champion, while McGregor shows the opposite.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 10, 2021, 09:14:47 AM

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\ with that said, he should think wisely before making a political decision.

I think he has already decided, with his move, we can tell that he is serious about running for the presidency, the saddest part is he was just looking and hins financial capacity to finance his campaign but does not look on his political knowledge to run a good country. Anyone that is educated would support Manny as a boxer but will not as a politician, that's the reality.

For the record, he has not, we can only confirm that he has decided if he will file the candidacy. Well, he should focus on the fight as we don't want to hear some excuses like Conor McGregor said that he loses focus on the rematch against Dustin Poirier because he was thinking too much about his fight with Pacquiao, so I'm afraid Pacquiao will use politics as an excuse if he loses in this fight.

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Nevertheless, as I can say, he must think it wisely or prefer to stay on his boxing career, he has a lot of money.

Good advice, stay in boxing and continue to make history. There are articles saying that Manny is the greatest boxer of all time, so if he keeps building that, he might really be recognized as the GOAT in boxing. Beating Spence is another step to his success because he will surely get more fights, bigger than the current, and people will admire him most.

He should not think just because he is a GOAT in boxing, he will automatically do good in politics, that doesn't work that way.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 10, 2021, 09:14:47 AM

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\ with that said, he should think wisely before making a political decision.

I think he has already decided, with his move, we can tell that he is serious about running for the presidency, the saddest part is he was just looking and hins financial capacity to finance his campaign but does not look on his political knowledge to run a good country. Anyone that is educated would support Manny as a boxer but will not as a politician, that's the reality.

^ I heard this issue about him, how can I imagine that the president of the Philippines soon will probably on the boxing ring.
I saw the most video about him and I think they are right, he is not capable to run a good country because as a leader it needs intelligence, effective communication skills, and most of all political skills which ios I think he needed most. Well, I don't know him very well, but as I saw in most of his interviews, it seems he has difficulties speaking even in English. Nevertheless, as I can say, he must think it wisely or prefer to stay on his boxing career, he has a lot of money.

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