{Boxing} Manny Pacquiao vs Yordenis Ugas - page 23.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 12, 2021, 08:43:40 AM

for their stats, you can check the following.

Manny Pacquiao (62 wins 7 loses 2-draw)
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129

Yordenis Ugas (26-wins 4-losses 0-draw)
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/541777

this comparison clearly mention how favorable this fight to Manny and I'm sure confidently that he will get this fight as spence us a sure loser if the fight happens and now that Ugas took place wondering how less Manny's effort will be.
Yeah record of Ugas is good but does not enough to the experiences of Manny thru all the years of he came up the ring.
and also his dedication now to win this fight a part of the advance political campaign as he will be running in a higher position next year.

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The WBA just follow their official rules why they strip the belt on Pacquiao:

Rule C.14 - Champion and their teams are required to know the WBA rules and regulations.
Rule C.22-24 Champion is unable to defend the belt for medical, legal or other reasons beyond his control, he may be named champion in recess,

Since Ugas got it by default, he just needs to prove that the decision of WBA granting him the belt is reasonable.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 13, 2021, 07:42:07 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on August 13, 2021, 06:38:00 PM

Hoping that Pacquiao will get his belt again. Because it was his belt and they just sent an email to Ugas to claim that belt. Really hilarious! Pacquiao got the belt from then-unbeaten Thurman and WBA just handed the belt to Ugas just like that. How can he fight during the height of pandemic? Wishing that Pacquiao will win via TKO at early rounds so he can shove it to WBA that he is the real owner of that belt. Grin

The WBA have demonstrated that they are the most corrupt organization in boxing. They issue more belts than anyone else and they are under threat of losing their ability to sanction fights in the United States. It would be great if some high profile fighters refused to fight for their title until they have cleaned up their act.

To be fair with WBA, it's not the only corrupt organization in boxing, I think WBC is, beginning from the old president Sulaiman and now his son is running it, with many belts just being handled or being created for the purpose of any said fight under its banner.

Yeah, this could be motivation for Pacquiao and go for a killer KO to proved to WBA and get his belt back again.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on August 13, 2021, 06:38:00 PM

Hoping that Pacquiao will get his belt again. Because it was his belt and they just sent an email to Ugas to claim that belt. Really hilarious! Pacquiao got the belt from then-unbeaten Thurman and WBA just handed the belt to Ugas just like that. How can he fight during the height of pandemic? Wishing that Pacquiao will win via TKO at early rounds so he can shove it to WBA that he is the real owner of that belt. Grin

The WBA have demonstrated that they are the most corrupt organization in boxing. They issue more belts than anyone else and they are under threat of losing their ability to sanction fights in the United States. It would be great if some high profile fighters refused to fight for their title until they have cleaned up their act.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on August 13, 2021, 06:38:00 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on August 13, 2021, 06:33:54 PM

It's ok that Pacquiao still wants to do a professional boxing compare exhibition match. Don't want to see Pacquiao vs Logan Paul, Pacquiao vs some Japanese boxer, etc. That's a trash record for his legacy.

Mayweather should just shut up his mouth if Pacquiao still fighting professionally today. If he likes to become a clown fighting personalities outside boxing, then who's more hungry for money now?

Back to topic, I don't see any upset here for Ugas. I'm not underestimating Ugas but that was a reality.

Hoping that Pacquiao will get his belt again. Because it was his belt and they just sent an email to Ugas to claim that belt. Really hilarious! Pacquiao got the belt from then-unbeaten Thurman and WBA just handed the belt to Ugas just like that. How can he fight during the height of pandemic? Wishing that Pacquiao will win via TKO at early rounds so he can shove it to WBA that he is the real owner of that belt. Grin

He have high chance to get it back since if we look at the stats pacquaio have more wins as well as power to knock Ugas off the ring but for his opponent its questionable if he can able to defeat the legendary fighter. We know Ugas is the currently holding the belt but for experience for sure Pacquaio will prevail unto this fight. It will be amazing if he can K.O Ugas since we can see more fights if Manny succeed to win this match.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 13, 2021, 06:33:54 PM

It's ok that Pacquiao still wants to do a professional boxing compare exhibition match. Don't want to see Pacquiao vs Logan Paul, Pacquiao vs some Japanese boxer, etc. That's a trash record for his legacy.

Mayweather should just shut up his mouth if Pacquiao still fighting professionally today. If he likes to become a clown fighting personalities outside boxing, then who's more hungry for money now?

Back to topic, I don't see any upset here for Ugas. I'm not underestimating Ugas but that was a reality.

Hoping that Pacquiao will get his belt again. Because it was his belt and they just sent an email to Ugas to claim that belt. Really hilarious! Pacquiao got the belt from then-unbeaten Thurman and WBA just handed the belt to Ugas just like that. How can he fight during the height of pandemic? Wishing that Pacquiao will win via TKO at early rounds so he can shove it to WBA that he is the real owner of that belt. Grin

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It's ok that Pacquiao still wants to do a professional boxing compare exhibition match. Don't want to see Pacquiao vs Logan Paul, Pacquiao vs some Japanese boxer, etc. That's a trash record for his legacy.

Mayweather should just shut up his mouth if Pacquiao still fighting professionally today. If he likes to become a clown fighting personalities outside boxing, then who's more hungry for money now?

Back to topic, I don't see any upset here for Ugas. I'm not underestimating Ugas but that was a reality.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 13, 2021, 03:33:37 PM

Nice article, I thought he only has some tax problem in the Philippines but not in the US, yes, this is really serious especially talking about IRS and he needs to settle the exact amount including the penalty of course. In the Philippines, the law might not be so strict and he has some connections since he is the senator, but not in the US.

$68 million is equivalent to 3.4 billion in Philippine peso, so how rich really Pacman is?

This kind of issue comes at bad times, Manny is answering so many questions that are not related to boxing, like the political squabble back in the Philippines I really don't like the kind of politics in the Philippines, they lack patriotism they should not raise issues like taxes and political issues, Manny Pacquiao is a national treasure but unfortunately, politicians are ruining him, they should do a ceasefire so Manny can contrate on the fight.

Come to think that he's the one who had make involvement with politics on the time he had step his foot in the congress which means its a self-will and he would really be that part on whatever issues and things that do happen since its part of his job and shouldnt really be that neglected which its understandable that handling both careers wont really be an easy job.

Do you think that he's not stressed on the current dealings that he had as of this moment specially that he has some upcoming fight?

The replaced fighter might not really be that competent compared to Spence but doesnt mean that he would be just too confident or would not take it seriously.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 13, 2021, 03:33:37 PM

Nice article, I thought he only has some tax problem in the Philippines but not in the US, yes, this is really serious especially talking about IRS and he needs to settle the exact amount including the penalty of course. In the Philippines, the law might not be so strict and he has some connections since he is the senator, but not in the US.

$68 million is equivalent to 3.4 billion in Philippine peso, so how rich really Pacman is?

This kind of issue comes at bad times, Manny is answering so many questions that are not related to boxing, like the political squabble back in the Philippines I really don't like the kind of politics in the Philippines, they lack patriotism they should not raise issues like taxes and political issues, Manny Pacquiao is a national treasure but unfortunately, politicians are ruining him, they should do a ceasefire so Manny can contrate on the fight.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 13, 2021, 01:59:44 PM

Quote from: Yogee on August 13, 2021, 01:03:18 PM

Something like that. I just remembered that Floyd was questioning Manny's wealth before he said something about fighting professionally despite his age.

Yeah, I remember reading an article where Mayweather questioned Pacquiao's wealth. I am not sure but I think Mayweather was talking about the tax claims against Pacquiao in the Philippines and in the US(article below) and by seeing the amount I guess Mayweather thought that was the reason why Pacquiao still have to fight despite his age.

https://www.supermoney.com/manny-pacquiao-tax-bill-increases-to-the-tune-of-68-million/

Nice article, I thought he only has some tax problem in the Philippines but not in the US, yes, this is really serious especially talking about IRS and he needs to settle the exact amount including the penalty of course. In the Philippines, the law might not be so strict and he has some connections since he is the senator, but not in the US.

$68 million is equivalent to 3.4 billion in Philippine peso, so how rich really Pacman is?

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Quote from: Yogee on August 13, 2021, 01:03:18 PM

Something like that. I just remembered that Floyd was questioning Manny's wealth before he said something about fighting professionally despite his age.

Yeah, I remember reading an article where Mayweather questioned Pacquiao's wealth. I am not sure but I think Mayweather was talking about the tax claims against Pacquiao in the Philippines and in the US(article below) and by seeing the amount I guess Mayweather thought that was the reason why Pacquiao still have to fight despite his age.

https://www.supermoney.com/manny-pacquiao-tax-bill-increases-to-the-tune-of-68-million/

Quote from: dothebeats on August 13, 2021, 01:39:43 PM

Anyhow, Pacquiao should have just taken his time to look for an opponent that's on his tier or at least close to him and not accept a bout that will not really be satisfying for a lot of people. \

His manager should have taken the time to pick who Pacquiao will fight next since Pacquiao wasn't really the one picking who he will fight. that being said, Pacquiao vs Spence jr. would have been a great last fight for Pacquiao whether he wins or not.

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Quote from: Woodie on August 13, 2021, 10:29:22 AM

Pacquiao was set to fight Spence late this month but because of a retinal tear he had in one of his eyes the fight could not go on which was unavoidable. But Pacquiao got someone else to fight in the form of Yordenis Ugas which could be his last has you all might know that Manny is now into politics and presidential elections are closing in and should he win them this might be the last time we seeing the Philippine.

There is still time for Manny if he is still in the boxing ring, although in 2022 he already has plans to run for president of course he should retire early and focus on building his current squad. One year left before the election season in the Philippines is the moment when Manny should already have more than 10% of the votes as a presidential candidate.

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On stake.com the odds are very clear 1.27 for Manny Pacquiao and 3.65 for Yordenis Ugas, This is the first time Yordenis is going to fight a Filipino boxer, and right now there will be only 1 week for Yordenis Ugas to prepare for the fight and I have seen that Pacquiao even though the fight between Errol Spence Jr. is canceled, Manny Pacquiao is still excited because he can get his old title belt the WBA (super) welterweight, Clearly, I may be biased with Manny Pacquiao because I am supporting him, but Yordenis Ugas has a decent record that Pacquiao should not be underestimated.

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Yordenis Ugas is a great boxer, and has good techniques that he can use to pit against top-caliber fighters. The Cuban fighter is also getting old, so I guess this match-up can also be good show of how age doesn't slow down fighters that are exceptionally great on their own. Anyhow, Pacquiao should have just taken his time to look for an opponent that's on his tier or at least close to him and not accept a bout that will not really be satisfying for a lot of people. Pacquiao is perhaps eager to get into a fight before the election campaign period starts in the Philippines and get a paycheck or something.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 13, 2021, 12:42:29 PM

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With professional fight, Pride is more important than money, while with exhibition it's all about how much you'll earn just showing yourself inside the ring. Most of the time there're no actions that will entertain the fans.

Unlike with professional fight where the determination to beat up your opponents is really your first goal, though we can't be removed, that there's still money involves.

More popularity and respect aside from big cash to collect.

Let's not get lost with the context of the discussion and talk about fighting pride and whatnot. I and acroman08 are already in some sort of agreement about Floyd's comment on Manny's pro boxing activity.

Quote from: acroman08 on August 13, 2021, 12:27:49 PM

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judging by what you said I guess Mayweather felt pitty because Pacquiao has to work harder and risk a lot more things than him in order to earn sizable money like him. I guess I get his point. I mean, why work harder when you can make more or the same money with less effort right?

Something like that. I just remembered that Floyd was questioning Manny's wealth before he said something about fighting professionally despite his age.

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Quote from: Yogee on August 13, 2021, 12:03:34 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on August 13, 2021, 11:50:15 AM

Quote from: Yogee on August 12, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

Floyd's match is for exhibition like you said while Manny's is a professional match. He probably won't comment about money fights if it's also an exhibition.

well, there is money in a professional match just like in the exhibition match. so, I still don't get why he felt pitty for Manny for fighting in a professional match.

Yes there is money involve on both occassion but there is a huge difference between an exhibition and a professional match when it comes to preparation. Guys like Floyd and Manny will probably just need to stay in shape with regular or normal exercises to fight in an exhibition. There is nothing much to lose but there is a lot of money to gain unlike in a pro boxing where there's more at stake.

With professional fight, Pride is more important than money, while with exhibition it's all about how much you'll earn just showing yourself inside the ring. Most of the time there're no actions that will entertain the fans.

Unlike with professional fight where the determination to beat up your opponents is really your first goal, though we can't be removed, that there's still money involves.

More popularity and respect aside from big cash to collect.

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Quote from: Yogee on August 13, 2021, 12:03:34 PM

Yes there is money involve on both occassion but there is a huge difference between an exhibition and a professional match when it comes to preparation. Guys like Floyd and Manny will probably just need to stay in shape with regular or normal exercises to fight in an exhibition. There is nothing much to lose but there is a lot of money to gain unlike in a pro boxing where there's more at stake.

judging by what you said I guess Mayweather felt pitty because Pacquiao has to work harder and risk a lot more things than him in order to earn sizable money like him. I guess I get his point. I mean, why work harder when you can make more or the same money with less effort right?

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on August 12, 2021, 07:36:12 PM

Looks like Pacquiao's still the favor for this match, well, he was prepared when it was with Spence and now he's with (unprepared?) Ugas.

Quote from: harizen on August 12, 2021, 06:59:23 PM

Ugas title of SuperWelterweigth was earned because it was granted by WBA as the previous holder Pacquiao is inactive. He didn't earn it thru a match so this is the best time he can show the world that he deserves the title.

But I'm still rooting Pacquiao can pull this off even if he's aged to Ugas and might be back again to the former holder of the belt. Who knows? Time will tell in the coming days.

for Pacquiao age is not a serious issue at the moment, considering he still looks almost the same age when compared to Yordenis's face, and we are certainly waiting for how Pacquiao shows his aggressiveness in the ring, because I haven't watched Pacquiao fight for a long time, only occasionally hearing information. Whether his appearance is still cute enough to watch or his age has shown that a lot has been lost in Pacquiao.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 13, 2021, 11:50:15 AM

Quote from: Yogee on August 12, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

Floyd's match is for exhibition like you said while Manny's is a professional match. He probably won't comment about money fights if it's also an exhibition.

well, there is money in a professional match just like in the exhibition match. so, I still don't get why he felt pitty for Manny for fighting in a professional match.

Yes there is money involve on both occassion but there is a huge difference between an exhibition and a professional match when it comes to preparation. Guys like Floyd and Manny will probably just need to stay in shape with regular or normal exercises to fight in an exhibition. There is nothing much to lose but there is a lot of money to gain unlike in a pro boxing where there's more at stake.

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Quote from: Yogee on August 12, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

The politics makes more sense to me since running for a government post takes a lot of money.

that's what I thought too after hearing his plan to run for the presidency.

Quote from: Yogee on August 12, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

I don't really buy the legacy and love for the sport or hunger thing when he's fighting a replacement that's not even popular.

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt as he has brought the Philippines great honor for being one of the best boxers. but yeah, I also, don't really get why fight a replacement that is not that popular.

Quote from: Yogee on August 12, 2021, 10:54:04 AM

Floyd's match is for exhibition like you said while Manny's is a professional match. He probably won't comment about money fights if it's also an exhibition.

well, there is money in a professional match just like in the exhibition match. so, I still don't get why he felt pitty for Manny for fighting in a professional match.

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