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Quote from: JollyGood on April 06, 2021, 03:16:39 AM

So many great football players have failed as managers, the list is too big to mention the main names. I think Joshua asked Klitschko for assistance because of his mindset, he needed a mental lift up after being beaten by Ruiz so he went to Klitschko for support.

Quite simply, I see no reason why Joshua needs anything (advice, tips, tactics etc) from Mayweather in order to fight Fury.

If you read what I said clearly I don't only say a great player because there are some great player that doesn't have the knowledge of creating strategy and if you recollect some of Zidane moment when he's still player you'll see that he's good in creating a strategy.
Having said that, Joshua doesn't actually need a tactic from Mayweather to fight with Fury but having some talk about him with Mayweather is more like the mental lift up giving to him by Klitschko. Besides, when Klitschko gave him the mental lift up what we read in the news is that Klitschko trained him, isn't it? now they are saying the same thing about Mayweather either.

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That was just a rumor so it's really not true, unless Joshua will confirm that he will be working with Mayweather as his trainer.
You know, there's a lot of rumor on Joshua because he is the underdog here, so he will adjust and find more ways to win, it seems like people's mind are already lock in that Fury will win.

Quote from: JollyGood on April 07, 2021, 08:56:18 PM

What has that got to do with Mayweather training Joshua? There is no truth in it at all...

Joshua has his own team and training camp, he does not need Mayweather but a few members keep perpetuating the misinformation.

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In football terms what you are saying is true that not every player cannot be a good coach or a manager and you need to have specific skills to be that in football but when it comes to Floyd Mayweather he is running a gym for a long time and he is training fighters along with Floyd Mayweather Sr and Roger Mayweather who recently passed away. So it is nothing that they have not seen and the Mayweather family is coaching fighters for generations.

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What has that got to do with Mayweather training Joshua? There is no truth in it at all...

Joshua has his own team and training camp, he does not need Mayweather but a few members keep perpetuating the misinformation.

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In football terms what you are saying is true that not every player cannot be a good coach or a manager and you need to have specific skills to be that in football but when it comes to Floyd Mayweather he is running a gym for a long time and he is training fighters along with Floyd Mayweather Sr and Roger Mayweather who recently passed away. So it is nothing that they have not seen and the Mayweather family is coaching fighters for generations.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 05, 2021, 03:29:54 AM

Look at it in football terms, just because someone has been a great player for a big club like Manchester City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus or Manchester United it does not all those players will go on to become great managers likewise just because Mayweather is without doubt one of the greatest boxers of all time it does not mean he will be a great manager. I am unsure as to what input he would bring to either of the two fighters.

When Mayweather was asked to name the winner he refused saying it was too difficult because it would be a close fight but he knows he cannot say one name over the other because he will alienate himself with the other.

In football terms what you are saying is true that not every player cannot be a good coach or a manager and you need to have specific skills to be that in football but when it comes to Floyd Mayweather he is running a gym for a long time and he is training fighters along with Floyd Mayweather Sr and Roger Mayweather who recently passed away. So it is nothing that they have not seen and the Mayweather family is coaching fighters for generations.

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^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

Maybe Joshua thought that his current strategy would not work against Fury, that's why he look to improve or change it with Mayweather's style. We never know but for sure if they'll get Mayweather to train him, we will see a big changes on how Joshua will fight in the ring and we don't know if it would work or not until we see it.

Then improved his strategy, talk to the trainers and I'm sure his trainers are more well experience in creating a perfect plan to defeat Fury instead of getting Floyd and train with him and adopt his style because it really doesn't work specially for Joshua's size.

And it might Joshua worst if he adopts Floyd's style, improvement shows in your career, not just in just one fight.

We don't know what's in their mind but let's hope they will not make a stupid decision as this is the biggest fight of Joshua although a rematch is already part of the contract, but winning the first fight is a big lead so no pressure in the rematch or if he win in 1st, loss in 2nd, at least we will see a trilogy.

This is actually my first time on seeing a contract that already talks about having 2 mandated fights no matter whats the outcome of the first fight where rematch is a guarantee

because among all of the boxing fights I have seen, rematch is still questionable or not know on when to happen but this one had already a fixed one which is unusual.

Winning the first fight doesn't only give out confidence but also this do add up more popularity on whose gonna pull off that win on first clash.

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^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

Maybe Joshua thought that his current strategy would not work against Fury, that's why he look to improve or change it with Mayweather's style. We never know but for sure if they'll get Mayweather to train him, we will see a big changes on how Joshua will fight in the ring and we don't know if it would work or not until we see it.

Then improved his strategy, talk to the trainers and I'm sure his trainers are more well experience in creating a perfect plan to defeat Fury instead of getting Floyd and train with him and adopt his style because it really doesn't work specially for Joshua's size.

And it might Joshua worst if he adopts Floyd's style, improvement shows in your career, not just in just one fight.

We don't know what's in their mind but let's hope they will not make a stupid decision as this is the biggest fight of Joshua although a rematch is already part of the contract, but winning the first fight is a big lead so no pressure in the rematch or if he win in 1st, loss in 2nd, at least we will see a trilogy.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 06, 2021, 07:51:51 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 06, 2021, 07:11:36 AM

^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

Maybe Joshua thought that his current strategy would not work against Fury, that's why he look to improve or change it with Mayweather's style. We never know but for sure if they'll get Mayweather to train him, we will see a big changes on how Joshua will fight in the ring and we don't know if it would work or not until we see it.

Then improved his strategy, talk to the trainers and I'm sure his trainers are more well experience in creating a perfect plan to defeat Fury instead of getting Floyd and train with him and adopt his style because it really doesn't work specially for Joshua's size.

And it might Joshua worst if he adopts Floyd's style, improvement shows in your career, not just in just one fight.

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Votes in the poll: 45

Fury to win both fights: 35

Joshua to win both fights: 3

45 votes in to the poll and here is how it stands Shocked

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 04, 2021, 07:29:23 AM

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Only if I see the actual domination on the ring by Fury and his victory "for a clear advantage" will agree that the bookmakers (and the majority of those who voted) were right

At the moment, I see no reason (and any factual material) to give an advantage to one of the boxers so much.
In my opinion, it will be a tough fight and if there is no unexpected knockout (it is not known in whose favor) in the first rounds, then Joshua will win on points. This is my assumption, after the first battle when new data appears, I will revise it.

Yes, and in any case, I am happy both for the audience who will see an excellent show and for the athletes who will make millions, regardless of the outcome of the fights

Like we know everything in a fight is about the matchup itself, Wilder looked defenceless against Fury since he used his superior height and weight to his advantage and never gave Wilder any kind of space so he could unleash his punching power, I agree the fight against Joshua will be closer as to me he matches better against Fury, I still think Fury will win but Joshua will have to show up in a similar shape to what we saw on the second Ruiz fight, if he shows up with as many muscles as he did during the first fight against Ruiz he is going to be exhausted after 3 or 4 rounds and Fury will destroy him then, the best hope for Joshua is to try to win this by points in a long fight in which he tires Fury down.

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Here is how it is... Joshua has his own trainer, he did not and will not ask any other boxer (including Mayweather) for advice to take on Fury. Time is running out for these boxers, maybe their promoters and managers will not be able to find a suitable venue and the deadline that cements the two fight contract will expire.

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^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

Maybe Joshua thought that his current strategy would not work against Fury, that's why he look to improve or change it with Mayweather's style. We never know but for sure if they'll get Mayweather to train him, we will see a big changes on how Joshua will fight in the ring and we don't know if it would work or not until we see it.

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 06, 2021, 07:11:36 AM

^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

Maybe Joshua thought that his current strategy would not work against Fury, that's why he look to improve or change it with Mayweather's style. We never know but for sure if they'll get Mayweather to train him, we will see a big changes on how Joshua will fight in the ring and we don't know if it would work or not until we see it.

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^^ Exactly, I don't see how Floyd will be helpful to Joshua in any matter.

Can he teach old dogs new tricks? Mayweather's style is very different from Joshua, what advise would he give? Just run around and play defence? It won't work as Fury is a very technical fighter himself. If Mayweather is a heavyweight then maybe he can give some tips, but he is in on the lower division, very different style of fighting.

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So many great football players have failed as managers, the list is too big to mention the main names. I think Joshua asked Klitschko for assistance because of his mindset, he needed a mental lift up after being beaten by Ruiz so he went to Klitschko for support.

Quite simply, I see no reason why Joshua needs anything (advice, tips, tactics etc) from Mayweather in order to fight Fury.

Quote from: hulla on April 05, 2021, 01:47:54 PM

I believe what Mayweather will do for Joshua will be the same thing as Klitschko because he understands Fury than Joshua which is the reason why he doesn't want to take sides when he was asked who'll be the winner of the fight.

You absolutely correct about a player been great on-field play shouldn't be used to justify him as a great manager but despite that, a player/boxer with on-balance knowledge in creating strategy can easily be a good manager/trainer and Zidane can be use as an example.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 05, 2021, 12:45:54 PM

I think the one who voted for a draw in the first fight followed by a win for Joshua in the rematch would win big if those odds really came in Shocked

It is boxing at the end of the day anything could happen including a huge upset but I think it would take a monumental effort by Joshua and lots of lack of concentration by Fury in order for Joshua to win.

Tyson Fury had his issues outside boxing but inside it he is known to be the hardest working fighter and he is doing these for his legacy in the ring than an opportunity to make money, if not he would have continued making money when he was on top rather he lost interest as there is no competition and so i do take Tyson Fury seriously whenever he signs the dotted lines for a fight and anything can happen in a fight but Fury is too smart to counter any offense by Joshua and that is what i believe until it is proven wrong in the fight Grin

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 05, 2021, 03:29:54 AM

You are right Joshua did seek advice from Klitschko after he was beaten by Ruiz but his input was far more to do with the mental side of things rather than him taking over and being a trainer to Joshua.

Look at it in football terms, just because someone has been a great player for a big club like Manchester City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus or Manchester United it does not all those players will go on to become great managers likewise just because Mayweather is without doubt one of the greatest boxers of all time it does not mean he will be a great manager. I am unsure as to what input he would bring to either of the two fighters.

When Mayweather was asked to name the winner he refused saying it was too difficult because it would be a close fight but he knows he cannot say one name over the other because he will alienate himself with the other.

I believe what Mayweather will do for Joshua will be the same thing as Klitschko because he understands Fury than Joshua which is the reason why he doesn't want to take sides when he was asked who'll be the winner of the fight.

You absolutely correct about a player been great on-field play shouldn't be used to justify him as a great manager but despite that, a player/boxer with on-balance knowledge in creating strategy can easily be a good manager/trainer and Zidane can be use as an example.

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I think the one who voted for a draw in the first fight followed by a win for Joshua in the rematch would win big if those odds really came in Shocked

It is boxing at the end of the day anything could happen including a huge upset but I think it would take a monumental effort by Joshua and lots of lack of concentration by Fury in order for Joshua to win.

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Isnt Mayweather busy training for his fight against Logan Paul, while helping Jake Paul to prepare for fight agains Ben Askren? To much Mayweather around Cheesy

Btw, who is that lonely guy who voted "1 Draw + 1 Win for Joshua" ? How did you come up with decision? It is unbelievable that Fury will be that bad to get a draw and lose the second fight.

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Rumours of Mayweather training Joshua have been going on but there is no proof.

Isnt Mayweather busy training for his fight against Logan Paul, while helping Jake Paul to prepare for fight agains Ben Askren? To much Mayweather around Cheesy

Btw, who is that lonely guy who voted "1 Draw + 1 Win for Joshua" ? How did you come up with decision? It is unbelievable that Fury will be that bad to get a draw and lose the second fight.

He is not busy because the fight did not happen, although its status is "postponed" but I think it's cancelled in reality.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/logan-paul-reveals-why-floyd-mayweather-boxing-match-was-postponed-1506505/

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YouTube star Logan Paul shocked the internet after scoring a boxing match with none other than Floyd Mayweather — but just ahead of their fight date, the match was surprisingly postponed, leaving fans confused and disappointed.

Whatever the reason, I guess people are not interested anymore as the fight is obviously going to be one sided.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 03, 2021, 04:26:10 PM

Rumours of Mayweather training Joshua have been going on but there is no proof.

Isnt Mayweather busy training for his fight against Logan Paul, while helping Jake Paul to prepare for fight agains Ben Askren? To much Mayweather around Cheesy

Btw, who is that lonely guy who voted "1 Draw + 1 Win for Joshua" ? How did you come up with decision? It is unbelievable that Fury will be that bad to get a draw and lose the second fight.

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You are right Joshua did seek advice from Klitschko after he was beaten by Ruiz but his input was far more to do with the mental side of things rather than him taking over and being a trainer to Joshua.

Look at it in football terms, just because someone has been a great player for a big club like Manchester City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Juventus or Manchester United it does not all those players will go on to become great managers likewise just because Mayweather is without doubt one of the greatest boxers of all time it does not mean he will be a great manager. I am unsure as to what input he would bring to either of the two fighters.

When Mayweather was asked to name the winner he refused saying it was too difficult because it would be a close fight but he knows he cannot say one name over the other because he will alienate himself with the other.

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Rumours of Mayweather training Joshua have been going on but there is no proof. No boxer in their right mind would ever allow a new trainer to join his already close team so close to a fight so I doubt it. Furthermore I mentioned in a post a few pages back that Mayweather and Fury also get along so he would not risk alienating one boxer over the other.

Yes, I read about the relationship between Mayweather and Fury that's why I'm curious about the news I read concern Mayweather and Joshua relationship because Joshua once had Wladimir Klitschko’s influence when he wants to face Andy Ruiz in their rematch so my thought is that he's planning to use the same strategy because he seems not to understand his opponent until he had the first fight with him.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 03, 2021, 04:26:10 PM

Rumours of Mayweather training Joshua have been going on but there is no proof. No boxer in their right mind would ever allow a new trainer to join his already close team so close to a fight so I doubt it. Furthermore I mentioned in a post a few pages back that Mayweather and Fury also get along so he would not risk alienating one boxer over the other.

Yes, I read about the relationship between Mayweather and Fury that's why I'm curious about the news I read concern Mayweather and Joshua relationship because Joshua once had Wladimir Klitschko’s influence when he wants to face Andy Ruiz in their rematch so my thought is that he's planning to use the same strategy because he seems not to understand his opponent until he had the first fight with him.

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If there are no certain restrictions that hinder the fight to take place in the UK I expected the first or the rematch to happen in the UK since the two fighters are both British.
But we are talking about the biggest fight event in the boxing scheme so it will be hard to choose a venue due to the pandemic cause the venue that will be chosen have to worth it.

Yeah there were no proofs but if theres a rumor then it can be possibly true or would happen.I have seen this stuff in YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gk9sMFes1Q

About link-up? Yeah, there might be some big talks but it wont really be changing a thing when he's already on the boxing ring.

I liked the venue, maybe they can make it in Dubai.

About Mayweather training him, I'm not impressed with that news, besides, Floyd is not really known as a trainer he is a fighter and to my knowledge, he has not trained anyone yet that has become a champion, maybe becauses he has a training gym,

I guess you don't understand that every good boxer can easily turn into a trainer because they can easily teach through their previous experience.

Quote from: Russlenat on April 03, 2021, 04:58:52 PM

but is he really the one who is training the fight?

That's what I wanted to be sure.

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