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October 24, 2024, 03:23:30 AM
It's more on the mental game for Tim moving forward, I do agree that he needs more time to heal from the injuries he suffered from the Fundora fight. He might have thought that he has recovered already, but that fight is very different and then me makes a comeback fight against the power of Bakhram. I also agree that it shows the decline now on Tim, although it's very hard to think about it as he was once the biggest prospect at 154 lbs and even become a champion and even talks of him and Crawford to fight since Bud move up to this division already.

He needs more support from his family specially his father Kostya, I think they have reconciled years ago, and that's why Tim is really fighting very good until that Fundora fight. So maybe he needs to take a break and then go for a easy fight mid next year. Just took a break from boxing for him for now will be a good suggestion.

Tszyu took an unnecessary amount of damage in the Fundora fight. When a fighter is practically blind from all the blood pouring down their face, the referee or the corner should have been looking out for him and stopped it. His promoter also should have matched him with an easier opponent after that brutal fight. Now we are seeing the consequences of those decisions and Tim might not be the same again.

Yes, that damage though in the Fundora fight, one of the worst experience for a boxer. He might have the heart to survived that fight, but after, it was a totally different mindset for him as we can see his eyes during the first knock down.

He was a solid fighter at 154 but he didn’t have the skills to be elite. With these losses I am not sure that he can successfully come back.

Perhaps during his reign at 154 lbs, there are no solid names that time that's why he was able to get a title and fighting comfortably in Australia. Then he face Tony Harrison and knock him out making a statement and that time it was only Charlo who has the hold of the belt. But now, in just short amount of time, like 2-3 years, it was a different landscape at 154 lbs and it did show that he doesn't have what it takes to be the king of this division.
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October 24, 2024, 02:26:32 AM
It's more on the mental game for Tim moving forward, I do agree that he needs more time to heal from the injuries he suffered from the Fundora fight. He might have thought that he has recovered already, but that fight is very different and then me makes a comeback fight against the power of Bakhram. I also agree that it shows the decline now on Tim, although it's very hard to think about it as he was once the biggest prospect at 154 lbs and even become a champion and even talks of him and Crawford to fight since Bud move up to this division already.

He needs more support from his family specially his father Kostya, I think they have reconciled years ago, and that's why Tim is really fighting very good until that Fundora fight. So maybe he needs to take a break and then go for a easy fight mid next year. Just took a break from boxing for him for now will be a good suggestion.

Tszyu took an unnecessary amount of damage in the Fundora fight. When a fighter is practically blind from all the blood pouring down their face, the referee or the corner should have been looking out for him and stopped it. His promoter also should have matched him with an easier opponent after that brutal fight. Now we are seeing the consequences of those decisions and Tim might not be the same again.

He was a solid fighter at 154 but he didn’t have the skills to be elite. With these losses I am not sure that he can successfully come back.
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October 23, 2024, 03:44:41 AM
And since the [Boxing] Tim Yszyu vs. Bakhram Murtazaliev IBF Junior Middleweight title thread is locked, I read that Tim Tszyu is considering this fight as his V or vengeance fight.

We all know what happened to him in the Fundora fight, it was bloody and he had a great chance to win however, that cut really bothered him and so he lost the fight. Now he is back on the trail and wanted to get his belt back and this is the fight that we wanted to show us that he sill deserves that one shot.

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After his defeat in April by Sebastian Fundora, a cut on his face required 15 stitches and kept Tszyu out for nearly seven months.

The Australian, 29, is determined to prove that the scar doesn’t define him.

"You can see it's a little V – V for vengeance," he said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/v-vengeance-scarred-tim-tszyu-battle-hardened-date-with-bakhram-murtazaliev--186333

He is still very young though, so for sure, he can make another statement win against a very tough opponent in Bakhram Murtazaliev.


Unfortunately, there is no V for vengeance coming from Tim Tszyu as he was really beaten by Bakhram Murtazaliev. On the other hand, Twitter reacts to his tough lost and others given him props for his heart in this fight and showing how strong he is. Coming from a big lost against a taller and one of the bloodiest fight recently, he decided to have a return bout against a tough Russian.

Others says that Tim might have thought that he will have a easy fight, and that's why in the 1st knockdown, he really don't know what he will do. His energy is sapped, and obviously, Murtazaliev left hook is too strong even for Tim.
A defeat like this could be a heavy blow for Tszyu, as he has to bury his dreams and ambitions for the IBF super welterweight world title in the fight, I think for now it's better for him to take a break so he can recover from the injury he sustained against Fundora in Las Vegas in March, we know in the previous fight Tszyu suffered a very severe injury after getting an elbow from Fundora in the fight.
The defeat from Bakhram Murtazaliev clearly shows a decline in his performance moreover we can see how Bakhram very easily penetrated Tszyu weak defense and also the punch resistance he currently has has really decreased.
So I think it's time for him to rest and regain his physical strength,  strategy and also of course he needs to retrain himself to be better before returning to the boxing ring again, especially now that he has reportedly reconciled with the Hall of Famer, Kostya Tszyu, who is his father and I think he can learn a lot from the legend to be able to return to improve his career in the future.

It's more on the mental game for Tim moving forward, I do agree that he needs more time to heal from the injuries he suffered from the Fundora fight. He might have thought that he has recovered already, but that fight is very different and then me makes a comeback fight against the power of Bakhram. I also agree that it shows the decline now on Tim, although it's very hard to think about it as he was once the biggest prospect at 154 lbs and even become a champion and even talks of him and Crawford to fight since Bud move up to this division already.

He needs more support from his family specially his father Kostya, I think they have reconciled years ago, and that's why Tim is really fighting very good until that Fundora fight. So maybe he needs to take a break and then go for a easy fight mid next year. Just took a break from boxing for him for now will be a good suggestion.
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October 21, 2024, 11:07:01 AM
And since the [Boxing] Tim Yszyu vs. Bakhram Murtazaliev IBF Junior Middleweight title thread is locked, I read that Tim Tszyu is considering this fight as his V or vengeance fight.

We all know what happened to him in the Fundora fight, it was bloody and he had a great chance to win however, that cut really bothered him and so he lost the fight. Now he is back on the trail and wanted to get his belt back and this is the fight that we wanted to show us that he sill deserves that one shot.

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After his defeat in April by Sebastian Fundora, a cut on his face required 15 stitches and kept Tszyu out for nearly seven months.

The Australian, 29, is determined to prove that the scar doesn’t define him.

"You can see it's a little V – V for vengeance," he said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/v-vengeance-scarred-tim-tszyu-battle-hardened-date-with-bakhram-murtazaliev--186333

He is still very young though, so for sure, he can make another statement win against a very tough opponent in Bakhram Murtazaliev.


Unfortunately, there is no V for vengeance coming from Tim Tszyu as he was really beaten by Bakhram Murtazaliev. On the other hand, Twitter reacts to his tough lost and others given him props for his heart in this fight and showing how strong he is. Coming from a big lost against a taller and one of the bloodiest fight recently, he decided to have a return bout against a tough Russian.

Others says that Tim might have thought that he will have a easy fight, and that's why in the 1st knockdown, he really don't know what he will do. His energy is sapped, and obviously, Murtazaliev left hook is too strong even for Tim.
A defeat like this could be a heavy blow for Tszyu, as he has to bury his dreams and ambitions for the IBF super welterweight world title in the fight, I think for now it's better for him to take a break so he can recover from the injury he sustained against Fundora in Las Vegas in March, we know in the previous fight Tszyu suffered a very severe injury after getting an elbow from Fundora in the fight.
The defeat from Bakhram Murtazaliev clearly shows a decline in his performance moreover we can see how Bakhram very easily penetrated Tszyu weak defense and also the punch resistance he currently has has really decreased.
So I think it's time for him to rest and regain his physical strength,  strategy and also of course he needs to retrain himself to be better before returning to the boxing ring again, especially now that he has reportedly reconciled with the Hall of Famer, Kostya Tszyu, who is his father and I think he can learn a lot from the legend to be able to return to improve his career in the future.
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October 21, 2024, 08:53:23 AM
Tim Tszyu did not look great tonight as he was dropped 4 times and stopped in the third round. He might still be suffering the effects of that war with Fundora. Tszyu’s defense has always been poor and eventually he was going to pay for it. I think his career may have already peaked and it will be difficult for him to be champion again. He can still be an exciting fighter who always tries to make it a slugfest, but to have that style you need a good chin. Without good punch resistance, his remaining career will be very short.

Yes, he could be done for sure, his chin has been broken, even the jab put him on the canvass. I'm a Tim fan, however, he seems to be not prepared for this kind of fight or I do agree that he might have underestimated Bakhram Murtazaliev here.

Maybe Tim is arrogant to underestimate Bakhram? Maybe, but i's a lesson learn for him here. Never underestimate your opponent, now with this lost, he is going back to zero and he could be as overrated as what other says.
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October 21, 2024, 07:52:02 AM
And since the [Boxing] Tim Yszyu vs. Bakhram Murtazaliev IBF Junior Middleweight title thread is locked, I read that Tim Tszyu is considering this fight as his V or vengeance fight.

We all know what happened to him in the Fundora fight, it was bloody and he had a great chance to win however, that cut really bothered him and so he lost the fight. Now he is back on the trail and wanted to get his belt back and this is the fight that we wanted to show us that he sill deserves that one shot.

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After his defeat in April by Sebastian Fundora, a cut on his face required 15 stitches and kept Tszyu out for nearly seven months.

The Australian, 29, is determined to prove that the scar doesn’t define him.

"You can see it's a little V – V for vengeance," he said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/v-vengeance-scarred-tim-tszyu-battle-hardened-date-with-bakhram-murtazaliev--186333

He is still very young though, so for sure, he can make another statement win against a very tough opponent in Bakhram Murtazaliev.


Unfortunately, there is no V for vengeance coming from Tim Tszyu as he was really beaten by Bakhram Murtazaliev. On the other hand, Twitter reacts to his tough lost and others given him props for his heart in this fight and showing how strong he is. Coming from a big lost against a taller and one of the bloodiest fight recently, he decided to have a return bout against a tough Russian.

Others says that Tim might have thought that he will have a easy fight, and that's why in the 1st knockdown, he really don't know what he will do. His energy is sapped, and obviously, Murtazaliev left hook is too strong even for Tim.
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October 21, 2024, 07:28:21 AM
Tim should re-group first and better to have a tune up fight first, but I do not see him getting back his old glory at 154 lbs.

I think his career is nearing its end. From the start, I never really believed in this fighter, always thought he was overrated, and I wasn’t wrong. Two fights where he was the heavy favorite, and he lost badly, especially this one. Bettors should be celebrating now, those who backed Murtazaliev as a huge underdog. What were the odds for him to win by TKO/KO? Anyone remember?

Yeah, he did enjoy his career at 154 lbs, and even won a title, he could be overrated though as most of his wins are in his native Australia. But when he started to fight in US, he could have been exposed. But the fight with Fundora really left a big mark on him, not just physically, but psychology as well. That's why in the first knockdown, you can see in his impression of his face especially in his eyes that somewhat the ghost of that past haunts him.

And then it was over from that as he was still on wobbly legs and don't know what to do, on how to survived but he just go toe to toe which is very wrong. Maybe he can still fight at his weight class just for the paycheck itself. But first, he should have a tune up fight to have his confidence.
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October 21, 2024, 07:02:53 AM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.
If Inoue choose not to fight it's easy for him to give the belt and find his way to fight another fighter there's no problem for him as his camps knew how to play with technicalities, though he also have that option to take if ever his camp decide to face whoever fighter that challenge him, but to protect his clean records and to make sure that his camp will earn more they just be wise choosing who's going to be his next fight.
It seems that Inoue will not avoid the fight, we can see how Bob Arum said that the fight against Sam Goodman will be held on December 24th and I think this will really be big fight in this division.
This fight is at stake all the titles that Inoue has and of course he can do his best as in some previous fights even though Sam Goodman will also try to get all the undisputed super bantamweight titles that Inoue has.
This is not an record that clean ones and has been obtained so far but also to continue his better career, even though he has got everything well and got the nickname of an undefeated monster but avoiding fight will only make his reputation bad.
He has to do it and whatever the result must remain focused with the aim of moving up to higher division, defending is not good thing because he has got everything in the super bantamweight.
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October 20, 2024, 06:46:43 AM
Tim should re-group first and better to have a tune up fight first, but I do not see him getting back his old glory at 154 lbs.

I think his career is nearing its end. From the start, I never really believed in this fighter, always thought he was overrated, and I wasn’t wrong. Two fights where he was the heavy favorite, and he lost badly, especially this one. Bettors should be celebrating now, those who backed Murtazaliev as a huge underdog. What were the odds for him to win by TKO/KO? Anyone remember?
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October 20, 2024, 02:21:32 AM
Tim Tszyu did not look great tonight as he was dropped 4 times and stopped in the third round. He might still be suffering the effects of that war with Fundora. Tszyu’s defense has always been poor and eventually he was going to pay for it. I think his career may have already peaked and it will be difficult for him to be champion again. He can still be an exciting fighter who always tries to make it a slugfest, but to have that style you need a good chin. Without good punch resistance, his remaining career will be very short.

Yeah, probably that first knock down, he saw the ghost of the past as you can see in his eyes. So congrats to those who bet on the underdog here, Murtazaliev looks bigger and punch harder as well. We should give Tim his props though, he has heart but it's not enough to win as he punch doesn't have that power behind. And I think this could be the start for Tim to be another gate keeper as he really hasn't recover from the Fundora fight.

And you don't hook with a hooker, so Tim's learn that the hard way, as 2 of the 4 knock downs came from the left hook. It was short but fast, so it has a lot of power behind. So Murtazaliev name are in the mix right now in this division. Fundora vs Crawford looming fight, and the winner could get Murtazaliev next. Tim should re-group first and better to have a tune up fight first, but I do not see him getting back his old glory at 154 lbs.
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October 19, 2024, 10:06:47 PM
Tim Tszyu did not look great tonight as he was dropped 4 times and stopped in the third round. He might still be suffering the effects of that war with Fundora. Tszyu’s defense has always been poor and eventually he was going to pay for it. I think his career may have already peaked and it will be difficult for him to be champion again. He can still be an exciting fighter who always tries to make it a slugfest, but to have that style you need a good chin. Without good punch resistance, his remaining career will be very short.
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October 18, 2024, 08:00:30 AM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.

If Inoue choose not to fight it's easy for him to give the belt and find his way to fight another fighter there's no problem for him as his camps knew how to play with technicalities, though he also have that option to take if ever his camp decide to face whoever fighter that challenge him, but to protect his clean records and to make sure that his camp will earn more they just be wise choosing who's going to be his next fight.

It might be similar to Usyk when IBF stripped him of the belt because he has failed to fight his mandatory. So it might not be for the unified belt when he goes to fight Fury in the rematch this December.

So that could also happened here for Inoue, he doesn't want to fight his mandatory and so they can't do anything but to stripped him. But it doesn't bother him I guess, as he will just wanted to make his last fight before moving up another weight class to chase another belt and history.

He can choose that way as if he's aiming to move up and chase for another title on a different weight, or he can take that route to make sure that he can make more money instead of taking that mandatory, I guess both money and unwillingness to follow whatever the organization is dictating his camp, for sure they know what they are doing and they will take more cuts while enjoying his fame, not being bothered to take his mandatory fight as he can simply bring his belt and move up for another title chase.

Let see what will be the update about this and what direction he will go and who's going to be his next challenger or who will be the fighter that he'll challenge from the next division that he will take.
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October 17, 2024, 09:21:36 PM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.

If Inoue choose not to fight it's easy for him to give the belt and find his way to fight another fighter there's no problem for him as his camps knew how to play with technicalities, though he also have that option to take if ever his camp decide to face whoever fighter that challenge him, but to protect his clean records and to make sure that his camp will earn more they just be wise choosing who's going to be his next fight.

It's obvious that it's going to be an easy fight for Inoue against Sam Goodman, although there is no technicalities as Sam Goodman is currently rank #1 in both IBF and WBO. However, so Akhmadaliev, who is rank #1 by WBA.

And that is the problem with being a unified champion, at some point you have to fulfilled those mandatories by different governing bodies, and if you can't, they are going to stripped you. Or if you might to give step aside money for not honoring it. Just like in Usyk and now Beterbiev. But here, I think he will still go with Sam Goodman and then maybe the WBA will strip him or relegated Akhmadaliev to champion or have their #1 and #2 fight for the belt.
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October 17, 2024, 08:47:47 PM
Fresh news just came out that the IBF wants to force Beterbiev to fight the mandatory challenger Michael Eifert (does anyone even know who he is?), putting the potential rematch against Bivol in jeopardy:
https://talksport.com/boxing/2175966/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-ibf-michael-eifert/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/31148252/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-doubt-boxing/

Needless to say, fans are not happy with the IBF's decision. I wonder what Beterbiev will do next, I expect his team to ask the IBF to postpone the mandatory title defence, but if they don't agree, we might see Artur vacating the belt, similar to how Usyk has handled a similar situation.

Michael Eifert looks very inexperienced young (26) fighter from Germany with just 14 fights. This couldn't be a reason for him to merit this fight when he only has 5KOs out of these 14. It's always the IBF messing around with boxing politics. Beterbiev needs a few more fights to win it all. You wouldn't expect this man to win against Beterbiev.

Beterbiev could stay and fight, just postponed the immediate rematch. They can extend it to another 5 months or just vacate.

Maybe the IBF has it's own reason,  Michael Eifert is their mandatory, so they have all the right to tell their champion, Beterbiev to honor his mandatory defense. However, there is a looming rematch between Beterbiev and Bivol because we are not convince that Beterbiev beat Bivol in their fight. So I do agree, that if Beterbiev will prioritize the rematch, then he can just vacate the IBF belt. However, the fight will not be for the unified anymore as obviously it will only be 3 belts. But financially though, it will be good for Beterbiev to fight Bivol even if one belt is missing. And I think that will also be ok with Bivol camp. As long as they can have the rematch and then look for that victory, then everything will be smooth sailing. So let's see how Beterbiev will approach the order of IBF.
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October 17, 2024, 02:55:58 PM
Fresh news just came out that the IBF wants to force Beterbiev to fight the mandatory challenger Michael Eifert (does anyone even know who he is?), putting the potential rematch against Bivol in jeopardy:
https://talksport.com/boxing/2175966/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-ibf-michael-eifert/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/31148252/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-doubt-boxing/

Needless to say, fans are not happy with the IBF's decision. I wonder what Beterbiev will do next, I expect his team to ask the IBF to postpone the mandatory title defence, but if they don't agree, we might see Artur vacating the belt, similar to how Usyk has handled a similar situation.

Michael Eifert looks very inexperienced young (26) fighter from Germany with just 14 fights. This couldn't be a reason for him to merit this fight when he only has 5KOs out of these 14. It's always the IBF messing around with boxing politics. Beterbiev needs a few more fights to win it all. You wouldn't expect this man to win against Beterbiev.

Beterbiev could stay and fight, just postponed the immediate rematch. They can extend it to another 5 months or just vacate.
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October 17, 2024, 01:43:15 PM
Fresh news just came out that the IBF wants to force Beterbiev to fight the mandatory challenger Michael Eifert (does anyone even know who he is?), putting the potential rematch against Bivol in jeopardy:
https://talksport.com/boxing/2175966/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-ibf-michael-eifert/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/31148252/artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol-rematch-doubt-boxing/

Needless to say, fans are not happy with the IBF's decision. I wonder what Beterbiev will do next, I expect his team to ask the IBF to postpone the mandatory title defence, but if they don't agree, we might see Artur vacating the belt, similar to how Usyk has handled a similar situation.
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October 17, 2024, 01:39:19 PM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.

If Inoue choose not to fight it's easy for him to give the belt and find his way to fight another fighter there's no problem for him as his camps knew how to play with technicalities, though he also have that option to take if ever his camp decide to face whoever fighter that challenge him, but to protect his clean records and to make sure that his camp will earn more they just be wise choosing who's going to be his next fight.

It might be similar to Usyk when IBF stripped him of the belt because he has failed to fight his mandatory. So it might not be for the unified belt when he goes to fight Fury in the rematch this December.

So that could also happened here for Inoue, he doesn't want to fight his mandatory and so they can't do anything but to stripped him. But it doesn't bother him I guess, as he will just wanted to make his last fight before moving up another weight class to chase another belt and history.
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October 17, 2024, 08:50:20 AM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.

If Inoue choose not to fight it's easy for him to give the belt and find his way to fight another fighter there's no problem for him as his camps knew how to play with technicalities, though he also have that option to take if ever his camp decide to face whoever fighter that challenge him, but to protect his clean records and to make sure that his camp will earn more they just be wise choosing who's going to be his next fight.
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October 17, 2024, 06:17:52 AM
For me I do not see Inoue still very much interested on Akhmadaliev fight, and with that Akhmadaliev should just forget about it, just like Casimero, no matter what they do, Inoue will still not fight them, maybe they are high risk or some fight doesn't make any money for Inoue.

Let these two, Akhmadaliev and Inoue just make the best of out their career and not chase Inoue. And we have heard that Inoue is going up in weight already, and I don't think that this two fighters specially Casimero can go as high as 126 lbs.
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October 16, 2024, 05:42:36 AM
^^ It's going to be very hard for Akhmadaliev though if his camp go this route in order to get a crack at Inoue. It's boxing politics at it's purest, so not sure if the judges will go on his side if ever they really go at this and go on litigation in order to force Inoue to fight him.

In any case, then it's easy for Inoue to just give up that WBA belt and then fight Sam Goodman at the end of the year. And then move up to featherweight next year. Obviously, they want Akhmadaliev to test himself against Inoue and try to beat the Monster but that is going to be a big task for him.
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