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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

Maybe when Canelo tastes that big money, specially when he had that contract with DAZN, somewhat he learn the business of boxing. And so before taking any big chances, he will surely request huge amount to the point that he is pricing himself and now looking like he is ducking Benavidez.

Also myself also said in the past the Canelo is avoiding him, this could be the reason why he doesn't want Benavidez. To him and for others, this is business, they want to get as much money in just one fight and secure their future.

And when we comeback, it what Floyd started, he severe his tie with Top Rank that time and become the manager himself and command more millions in every fight. And probably this is what Canelo is doing right now with picking fights that make sense in terms of money he can generate.

I'm still under the impression that he duck DB, but that's what boxing is right now. We are no longer in the era of fighting the best in every decision. Now it's about corruption by the governing bodies, and boxers looking for fights that can generate a lot of money for them, regardless of who will be their opponent, it's all about hype.

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Maybe Pacquiao is willing to go sleep in the ring again for money because young and active fighters like Tank and Crawford were also mentioned.

It is possible, well it is all about money and Manny Pacquiao is still very passionate about boxing... who would not take the opportunity of getting into the ring fulfilling his passion, and earn money from it?

That is the good thing about being Manny Pacquaio. He literally turned passion into profit. This is where he got his fortune and talent brought him to where he is right now. As much as we all love to see our favorite boxers into the ring again for an exhibition match, It would be very less interesting now than before when they fought for belts on a professional bouts. These whole exhibition thing is all just for the money and a little bit of entertainment. Just because these are big names in boxing industry the promoters and organizers will have enough reason to raise the tickets because boxing fans around the world would always love to see these fighters again.
Now, on Manny's case, It really makes so much sense that he's pursuing an exhibition match because it is gonna be the local election again in 2025 and here in the PH, no matter how influential and good you are, if you can't buy the people's vote you'll almost guaranteed to have no chance to sit in the city hall.

I agree to that, he needs money for his upcoming candidacy for sure he will particiapate again and will re-try his luck, with opportunities like this where he just need to show up and fight, it's a money generated passion for Pacman, for sure there are many fans who still thinks and believes that Pacman can still make a big damage, and like what you just mentioned, the amount of a ticket will be more expensive even the fight is just an exhibition. Pacman's name still have that value and with how he's showing his training I think he still can bring down a young fighter if timing is perfect and if his opponent will be careless.

This could be the reasons, but Pacman has a lot of business ventures if I'm not mistaken, so he is still making a lot of money even if he is no longer fighter. But if the opportunities exists then why not though? It's going to be like easy money for him 100 million PHP, just like that.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 21, 2024, 07:12:25 AM

Let see if what he can bring when the time come for his exhibition match, if he still got something left as if there's chance that he might face a current champs, though the winning chance is slim but we never know.

As much as we love the Pacman, he should be very conscious of his health. He had a lot of wear and tear already during his years of boxing. So just let his body heal right now. It's not like Floyd, Mayweather during his prime was a defensive genius, while Manny is a warrior and has been knockout cold so he should think of his health.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

Maybe when Canelo tastes that big money, specially when he had that contract with DAZN, somewhat he learn the business of boxing. And so before taking any big chances, he will surely request huge amount to the point that he is pricing himself and now looking like he is ducking Benavidez.

Also myself also said in the past the Canelo is avoiding him, this could be the reason why he doesn't want Benavidez. To him and for others, this is business, they want to get as much money in just one fight and secure their future.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Hahaha it all about money and of course Canelo will try to get large amounts of money from the fight if there is valid contract agreement, without fight contract with large amount of money agreed then that won't happen.
After all, he is risking his name and the championship title he has earned, if it only brings him defeat then he will get nothing but disappointment.
I think Canelo is quite smart and with such big numbers it would also be reason that Benavidez would never fight him, Benavidez is pretty good fighter and at any time could make Canelo lose the title.

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When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

Canelo will remain focused on his fight against Jamie Munguia and that is the fight he really hopes for, even though in this fight Jamie Munguia can make Canelo feel defeat.
We see after this whether there will be an agreement for the amount requested or not, if contract agreement does occur then that crazy and we will see really impressive battle.

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Maybe Pacquiao is willing to go sleep in the ring again for money because young and active fighters like Tank and Crawford were also mentioned.

It is possible, well it is all about money and Manny Pacquiao is still very passionate about boxing... who would not take the opportunity of getting into the ring fulfilling his passion, and earn money from it?

That is the good thing about being Manny Pacquaio. He literally turned passion into profit. This is where he got his fortune and talent brought him to where he is right now. As much as we all love to see our favorite boxers into the ring again for an exhibition match, It would be very less interesting now than before when they fought for belts on a professional bouts. These whole exhibition thing is all just for the money and a little bit of entertainment. Just because these are big names in boxing industry the promoters and organizers will have enough reason to raise the tickets because boxing fans around the world would always love to see these fighters again.
Now, on Manny's case, It really makes so much sense that he's pursuing an exhibition match because it is gonna be the local election again in 2025 and here in the PH, no matter how influential and good you are, if you can't buy the people's vote you'll almost guaranteed to have no chance to sit in the city hall.

I agree to that, he needs money for his upcoming candidacy for sure he will particiapate again and will re-try his luck, with opportunities like this where he just need to show up and fight, it's a money generated passion for Pacman, for sure there are many fans who still thinks and believes that Pacman can still make a big damage, and like what you just mentioned, the amount of a ticket will be more expensive even the fight is just an exhibition. Pacman's name still have that value and with how he's showing his training I think he still can bring down a young fighter if timing is perfect and if his opponent will be careless.

Let see if what he can bring when the time come for his exhibition match, if he still got something left as if there's chance that he might face a current champs, though the winning chance is slim but we never know.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

So we must say that he is clearly ducking Benavidez, maybe he thinks that he can really lose to David as he is young, ambitious and has all the physical advantage over him. It's just not good to see Canelo shifting, taking easy fight for millions, we thought that him being a Mexican and fighting with pride and cementing his legacy.

Now he is out there just for money and specially after that Bivol lost, he does not want to take risk anymore and get another L in his record. Maybe a promoter is going to work and pay him that kind of money, specially the oil money from Saudis, but it's obvious now that he is avoiding Benavidez like a plague.

And these ducking will continue along with a lot of fighters especially on the popular ones. The sport changed a lot when Mayweather showed the world that you can earn big money even if they choose the less dangerous opponents. Even Benavidez will also duck when he's got more options.

The issue of ducking and these politics in boxing can only be addressed if the 4 sanctioning bodies will be true to their rules and regulations. The WBA and the WBC are already notorious when it comes to corruption. The IBF once known as the strictest of them also changed. I pick the WBO as the best of the these sanctioning bodies at the moment.

It's the people behind these organizations that really hurt, or at least boxing fans was not able to see the fights that we wanted to see because this bodies outright refusing to make their champions fight their mandatories.

So it's going to be a vicious cycle for this boxers, unless the two really settled their differences, or one party willing to give the other one some advantage. Like in the Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis fight wherein there is a clause about rehyrdation which is obviously not fair for Ryan. But since he really wanted that fight and so they give in the demand and he eventually lost the fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

So we must say that he is clearly ducking Benavidez, maybe he thinks that he can really lose to David as he is young, ambitious and has all the physical advantage over him. It's just not good to see Canelo shifting, taking easy fight for millions, we thought that him being a Mexican and fighting with pride and cementing his legacy.

Now he is out there just for money and specially after that Bivol lost, he does not want to take risk anymore and get another L in his record. Maybe a promoter is going to work and pay him that kind of money, specially the oil money from Saudis, but it's obvious now that he is avoiding Benavidez like a plague.

And these ducking will continue along with a lot of fighters especially on the popular ones. The sport changed a lot when Mayweather showed the world that you can earn big money even if they choose the less dangerous opponents. Even Benavidez will also duck when he's got more options.

The issue of ducking and these politics in boxing can only be addressed if the 4 sanctioning bodies will be true to their rules and regulations. The WBA and the WBC are already notorious when it comes to corruption. The IBF once known as the strictest of them also changed. I pick the WBO as the best of the these sanctioning bodies at the moment.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 20, 2024, 10:31:05 PM

Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

So we must say that he is clearly ducking Benavidez, maybe he thinks that he can really lose to David as he is young, ambitious and has all the physical advantage over him. It's just not good to see Canelo shifting, taking easy fight for millions, we thought that him being a Mexican and fighting with pride and cementing his legacy.

Now he is out there just for money and specially after that Bivol lost, he does not want to take risk anymore and get another L in his record. Maybe a promoter is going to work and pay him that kind of money, specially the oil money from Saudis, but it's obvious now that he is avoiding Benavidez like a plague.

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@FinneysTrueVision. Is this fight for Pacman a comeback fight or is this only an exhibition? He is 45 years old already, will he fight again if he wins against Conor Benn? This will be headshaking, however, I will certainly watch these fights hehee.

On Anthony Joshua, presently it appears much of the fans of boxing are speculating a fight between him and Tyson Fury. But would it not be much better if he should challenge Oleksandr Usyk again? I reckon this new Joshua might knockout Usyk. Ben Davison appears to have made Anthony Joshua discover something from himself.

Pacman could be interested with the belt so probably it's not an exhibition. But how could he get a championship if he is not anymore active, I mean,I thought they will base on the ranking not on the popularity? I'm not really sure if this rumors are but in case Pacman will comeback, I'm sure that will create a lot of hype and people will surely watch it.

What about the rumor beween Pacman and Mayweather, I thought it will happen this May?

On Mayweather vs. Pacman 2. Similar to what I have already mentioned before, these types of fights between old people might be something similar to scam ICOs where the promoters hype the fight, collect all the money then dump everything on your head with your mouths open hehehe. I will certainly watch this, however, we cannot expect these retired old men to fight better than during Mayweather vs. Pacman 1. Also, Pacman should have cancelled the fight vs. Mayweather on 2015 when he had his shoulder injury. Accepting to fight with the injury was a big career decision error.

And that's how it is from the beginning of this exhibition match, Floyd was one of those who started this early, when he fought in Japan and then Jake Paul followed suit and up to this day, they are raking big money from us, from those who buy their tickets.

But a Pacman vs Floyd might be different perspective for boxing fans, we want to recreate that scenario that this two are still in their primes and wanted to get each others head off. However, at the end of the day, still up to us whether we will buy the tickets or PPV or wanted to be scam.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 20, 2024, 07:56:13 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on March 18, 2024, 10:26:07 AM

Maybe Pacquiao is willing to go sleep in the ring again for money because young and active fighters like Tank and Crawford were also mentioned.

It is possible, well it is all about money and Manny Pacquiao is still very passionate about boxing... who would not take the opportunity of getting into the ring fulfilling his passion, and earn money from it?

That is the good thing about being Manny Pacquaio. He literally turned passion into profit. This is where he got his fortune and talent brought him to where he is right now. As much as we all love to see our favorite boxers into the ring again for an exhibition match, It would be very less interesting now than before when they fought for belts on a professional bouts. These whole exhibition thing is all just for the money and a little bit of entertainment. Just because these are big names in boxing industry the promoters and organizers will have enough reason to raise the tickets because boxing fans around the world would always love to see these fighters again.
Now, on Manny's case, It really makes so much sense that he's pursuing an exhibition match because it is gonna be the local election again in 2025 and here in the PH, no matter how influential and good you are, if you can't buy the people's vote you'll almost guaranteed to have no chance to sit in the city hall.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on March 17, 2024, 10:33:50 PM

@FinneysTrueVision. Is this fight for Pacman a comeback fight or is this only an exhibition? He is 45 years old already, will he fight again if he wins against Conor Benn? This will be headshaking, however, I will certainly watch these fights hehee.

On Anthony Joshua, presently it appears much of the fans of boxing are speculating a fight between him and Tyson Fury. But would it not be much better if he should challenge Oleksandr Usyk again? I reckon this new Joshua might knockout Usyk. Ben Davison appears to have made Anthony Joshua discover something from himself.

Pacman could be interested with the belt so probably it's not an exhibition. But how could he get a championship if he is not anymore active, I mean,I thought they will base on the ranking not on the popularity? I'm not really sure if this rumors are but in case Pacman will comeback, I'm sure that will create a lot of hype and people will surely watch it.

What about the rumor beween Pacman and Mayweather, I thought it will happen this May?

On Mayweather vs. Pacman 2. Similar to what I have already mentioned before, these types of fights between old people might be something similar to scam ICOs where the promoters hype the fight, collect all the money then dump everything on your head with your mouths open hehehe. I will certainly watch this, however, we cannot expect these retired old men to fight better than during Mayweather vs. Pacman 1. Also, Pacman should have cancelled the fight vs. Mayweather on 2015 when he had his shoulder injury. Accepting to fight with the injury was a big career decision error.

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Canelo has poured cold water on the idea of facing David Benavidez anytime in the near future. He is demanding $150–200 million to accept that fight.

Quote from: https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-alvarez-david-benavidez-offers-nothing-more-extra-25-pounds--182264

When Alvarez, 33, was asked if Benavidez was the next biggest fight that could be made, he said, "Maybe. Who knows? But he brings nothing to the table for me. He just brings 25 extra pounds on the night of the fight. That’s it. He has nothing to offer me, anything. I’m the one … If a promoter who I work with offers $150 to $200 million, then I'll fight tomorrow. That's the only reason I'll fight with him.”

When you make a demand that ridiculous it is obvious you don’t want to make the fight. PBC and DAZN have recently rejected Canelo’s proposed fights against Charlo and Berlanga, which is an indication of his declining marketability. Pricing himself out is nothing more than an admission of being scared to lose. Canelo vs. Benavidez would be a huge deal but it doesn’t have the historic significance of an undisputed heavyweight fight, which is the only thing that can come close to being worth those kinds of purses.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 18, 2024, 10:26:07 AM

Pacquiao since last year is starting to participate on events and is also talking about fighting again either in exhibitions and real fights. But I agree that he should keep being retired. I have no problems with him doing exhibition fights because those are less harmful than in real fights.

According to Pacquiao's last reported assets and liabilities, he is financially well. But I can feel his willingness to fight again. The best I can think is maybe wanted money for the next years elections.

Manny has been long retired isn't he? He is just participating in an exhibition event where the match is less serious than the real one. A boxer especially if he is dedicated to the sport will never back down if someone challenges him or offer a fight where he can benefit financially. So I also expect that Manny, just like Mike Tyson will agree to fight when someone invited them to have a match.

Connor Benn has a good record of 23 wins and 14 of which is by KO so I am a bit worry about Manny's situation here. This fight might be made to create an impressive career record for Connor Ben if the fight proceeds.

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Maybe Pacquiao is willing to go sleep in the ring again for money because young and active fighters like Tank and Crawford were also mentioned.

It is possible, well it is all about money and Manny Pacquiao is still very passionate about boxing... who would not take the opportunity of getting into the ring fulfilling his passion, and earn money from it?

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They said this is a video of Manny Pacquiao shadow box in preparation for a Conor Benn fight?

https://twitter.com/boxingscene/status/1769063564768149545?s=20

Again, it's too early to say and for now it's still a rumor. But in boxing, we all know that if there is this kind of indication and there are noises around, it could be true though. But then again, everything should still be official, so as boxing fans, hope this is true as we want to see Manny again in the ring with a pro boxer and not just exhibition match to bring out the best in him and not holding back any power.

From the video, it seems that it is just one of his regular workouts of Pacquiao. There's no big deal on this for all we know. Better for Pacquiao to continue his retirement outside of boxing. Enjoy what he has achieved in this sports. I can understand, if he really loves the boxing sports, but should consider his age. Give the stage to younger generation. His era was already over. He already done so much in this sports.

Pacquiao since last year is starting to participate on events and is also talking about fighting again either in exhibitions and real fights. But I agree that he should keep being retired. I have no problems with him doing exhibition fights because those are less harmful than in real fights.

According to Pacquiao's last reported assets and liabilities, he is financially well. But I can feel his willingness to fight again. The best I can think is maybe wanted money for the next years elections. Maybe Pacquiao is willing to go sleep in the ring again for money because young and active fighters like Tank and Crawford were also mentioned.

And if has a good advisor, then I will say that he should stay with exhibitions fight and not go to fighting the likes of young guys or even Benn if he thinks that he can beat a young boxer at this point.

He can make the same money in exhibitions and it will not damage him. Nothing to proved already, he is already a legend. Money will always be there for him even in exhibitions as he still has a big fan based. And so there's no need for him to sleep. Beat Buakaw, then fight Floyd, easy $50 million to $100 million for him.

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