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Quote from: Pumared on January 03, 2025, 07:03:57 AM

And now that the main sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo will not be able to operate in the country due to a decision by the Supreme Court. What will happen to Memphis at Corinthians? And what about Flamengo Stadium and new signings.

Could this be the reason for Gabigol's sale? It's something to think about.

Source: STF bans sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo

I've been thinking about exactly that...

This money will be sorely missed by the clubs if the betting companies are unable to regularize their situation in time before the championship starts. In fact... this needs to be done well in advance because the clubs will not risk putting their sponsorship on their shirts without first being sure that they will not be breaking any rules, with the risk of being penalized as well.

But, thinking about it from another perspective... there was plenty of time for these companies to regularize themselves, the first regulations were approved back in 2023.

Anyway, I believe this topic is already outdated.

Shall we dedicate our efforts to a new location, dedicated to the 2025 championship?

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Quote from: Pumared on January 03, 2025, 07:03:57 AM

And now that the main sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo will not be able to operate in the country due to a decision by the Supreme Court. What will happen to Memphis at Corinthians? And what about Flamengo Stadium and new signings.

Could this be the reason for Gabigol's sale? It's something to think about.

Source: STF bans sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo

Wow, this is huge news for Brazilian teams
Not only Corinthians and Flamengo, but Ceará, Bahia and Grêmio too Shocked

You can be sure that both companies will be regularized here as soon as possible
30 million reais must be paid to the government to obtain the license

With so much money paid to the teams as sponsorship, I'm sure both betting companies make a LOT of money here in Brazil and will not waste this "opportunity" to work here like other companies

But this is really big news about gambling here in Brazil

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Quote from: Pumared on January 03, 2025, 07:03:57 AM

And now that the main sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo will not be able to operate in the country due to a decision by the Supreme Court. What will happen to Memphis at Corinthians? And what about Flamengo Stadium and new signings.

Could this be the reason for Gabigol's sale? It's something to think about.

Source: STF bans sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo

The land for Flamengo's stadium was purchased with its own resources and the construction will also be done with resources from the club. There was no need for a partner to finance the project. The sale of Gabigol was not a sale per se, The club simply did not want to renew his contract. He received a high salary and did not provide any sporting return to the club.

Regarding the ban on sponsoring bets for these clubs, I think it is only a matter of time before they return to normal operations. There is a lot of money involved and they will soon resolve the issue.

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And now that the main sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo will not be able to operate in the country due to a decision by the Supreme Court. What will happen to Memphis at Corinthians? And what about Flamengo Stadium and new signings.

Could this be the reason for Gabigol's sale? It's something to think about.

Source: STF bans sponsors of Corinthians and Flamengo

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 31, 2024, 05:38:59 PM

With the exception of Raphinha, all the promising Brazilian players at European clubs have seen their transfer market value fall.

I still think Endrick should have stayed at least 2 more years at Palmeiras in brazilian football to gain experience, since the European standard of football is more demanding and more aggressive. The level of technique is higher and more competitive.

In my opinion, the market in general is pushing too hard for money
Very young players, who are not yet ready, are already worth millions, having fame and absurd pressure, and this can cost a player his entire career.
The press also pushes too hard, comparing players all the time as the new “Messi”, the new “Ronaldo”, etc

For fear of losing a player to a rival team, teams like Real Madrid buy players even if it's to keep them out of the game
They are all responsible and are ruining the careers of many promising players

And with the high dollar, it's very difficult for Brazilian soccer to keep players here
What's left are players who aren't playing there, or who are older, or who haven't adapted well

so you're saying there's a chance that even for soccer players the bubble could burst and at some point it would be impossible to keep up with how high their salaries go and teams would have to stop making better offers?
maybe it is like that, I'm not that sure.. maybe not.
what do you all think?

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 02, 2025, 03:08:04 PM

In my opinion, the market in general is pushing too hard for money
Very young players, who are not yet ready, are already worth millions, having fame and absurd pressure, and this can cost a player his entire career.
The press also pushes too hard, comparing players all the time as the new “Messi”, the new “Ronaldo”, etc

For fear of losing a player to a rival team, teams like Real Madrid buy players even if it's to keep them out of the game
They are all responsible and are ruining the careers of many promising players

And with the high dollar, it's very difficult for Brazilian soccer to keep players here
What's left are players who aren't playing there, or who are older, or who haven't adapted well

You can see how even a country's politics (depending on the president and government) influence everything, including football. It's a butterfly effect or domino effect. Any political decision, whether fair or not, will influence the entire price system... like the price of the dollar.

But not to get too far off topic, you're right, brazilian players (especially the younger ones like Endrick) receive offers that are practically irresistible from European or Arab teams, all to see who buys first, but the ones who suffer may be the players in question.

The football stopped being just a friendly sport a long time ago. It's all about money, and whoever pays the most will always get the best players.

What can be done to change this? Are the new stars too greedy to accept these offers? I'm not saying that accepting an offer from a European team is 100% bad. It all depends on a series of factors, such as: does the player have the necessary experience to play on European/foreign fields?

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 31, 2024, 05:38:59 PM

With the exception of Raphinha, all the promising Brazilian players at European clubs have seen their transfer market value fall.

I still think Endrick should have stayed at least 2 more years at Palmeiras in brazilian football to gain experience, since the European standard of football is more demanding and more aggressive. The level of technique is higher and more competitive.

In my opinion, the market in general is pushing too hard for money
Very young players, who are not yet ready, are already worth millions, having fame and absurd pressure, and this can cost a player his entire career.
The press also pushes too hard, comparing players all the time as the new “Messi”, the new “Ronaldo”, etc

For fear of losing a player to a rival team, teams like Real Madrid buy players even if it's to keep them out of the game
They are all responsible and are ruining the careers of many promising players

And with the high dollar, it's very difficult for Brazilian soccer to keep players here
What's left are players who aren't playing there, or who are older, or who haven't adapted well

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 01, 2025, 03:56:17 PM

Quote from: Pumared on January 01, 2025, 12:27:41 PM

Exactly that, he made a huge leap and that affects a lot. For me it wouldn't be worth it for him to leave Brazil so young. But, if Real wanted to buy him like that, let them buy him and work on him. Maybe that way they'll sell him for a higher price.

He will probably be used to make money. Real Madrid have recently signed all the top young Brazilian players, only Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior have worked out. Take the case of midfielder Reiner, who was playing for Flamengo. Real Madrid paid 30 million euros for him and then loaned him out to other teams to try to gain experience... they will probably do the same with Endrick.

Are there any Cruzeiro fans here on the forum? If so, are you excited about the signing of Gabigol?

Yes, they should do it to themselves. Then again, he should take advantage and improve. He shouldn't underestimate any experience he might have in Europe, he should be humble. About Real, there's nothing to be said. They are the best team at the moment, everything they do is right.

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Quote from: Pumared on January 01, 2025, 12:27:41 PM

Exactly that, he made a huge leap and that affects a lot. For me it wouldn't be worth it for him to leave Brazil so young. But, if Real wanted to buy him like that, let them buy him and work on him. Maybe that way they'll sell him for a higher price.

He will probably be used to make money. Real Madrid have recently signed all the top young Brazilian players, only Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior have worked out. Take the case of midfielder Reiner, who was playing for Flamengo. Real Madrid paid 30 million euros for him and then loaned him out to other teams to try to gain experience... they will probably do the same with Endrick.

Are there any Cruzeiro fans here on the forum? If so, are you excited about the signing of Gabigol?

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Quote from: Hirose UK on December 30, 2024, 11:42:07 PM

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 30, 2024, 10:04:10 AM

What do you think about this movement that is happening in Brazilian football, where most clubs are becoming SAFs? I recently read that Felipe Melo left Fluminense and was negotiating the acquisition of Americano-RJ through SAFs, and several recently retired players seem to be going for this type of investment. What is your opinion about this?

Regarding SAFs, it is a beneficial movement that all teams should adopt as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will be swallowed up in debt and bureaucracy of the current model. If the negotiation is well done, the team can keep everything the way it wants without changing much.

Can it really run smoothly and perfectly without any obstacles because you yourself must also understand that there are some teams that often make fatal mistakes, if negotiations are carried out and there is problem, isn't that actually loss?
Indeed, SAF can make football team get many benefits and conveniences in development efforts, but I sure that in the future there will definitely be some problems that are very possible to occur.

Yes, every model has some kind of error, but we will only see in the future. What I don't think is right is to persist in this current model where teams can go bankrupt at any time.

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I also think that when Endrick gets the ball he looks like any other player from the suburbs. The goal he scored for the national team was nothing special in my opinion.

He himself, for me, is no different from any other Brazilian player who plays in the A series. I don't know what his potential is, but I hope they are working on it a lot.

With the exception of Raphinha, all the promising Brazilian players at European clubs have seen their transfer market value fall.

I still think Endrick should have stayed at least 2 more years at Palmeiras in brazilian football to gain experience, since the European standard of football is more demanding and more aggressive. The level of technique is higher and more competitive.

Endrick went to one of the biggest teams in the world when he was only 18 years old. All of this really messes with a person's head. I imagine the following: I remember when I was 17, 18 years old, how I thought at that time, how easy it was to get dazzled or think superficially... a man forms his character much later, so at 18 years old, a person is just a child, and it is very difficult to deal with enormous responsibilities like he does, after all, he is responsible for completely changing the history of his own family... it must be something complicated to deal with.

Exactly that, he made a huge leap and that affects a lot. For me it wouldn't be worth it for him to leave Brazil so young. But, if Real wanted to buy him like that, let them buy him and work on him. Maybe that way they'll sell him for a higher price.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 31, 2024, 05:38:59 PM

Quote from: Pumared on December 30, 2024, 11:13:35 AM

I also think that when Endrick gets the ball he looks like any other player from the suburbs. The goal he scored for the national team was nothing special in my opinion.

He himself, for me, is no different from any other Brazilian player who plays in the A series. I don't know what his potential is, but I hope they are working on it a lot.

With the exception of Raphinha, all the promising Brazilian players at European clubs have seen their transfer market value fall.

I still think Endrick should have stayed at least 2 more years at Palmeiras in brazilian football to gain experience, since the European standard of football is more demanding and more aggressive. The level of technique is higher and more competitive.

Endrick went to one of the biggest teams in the world when he was only 18 years old. All of this really messes with a person's head. I imagine the following: I remember when I was 17, 18 years old, how I thought at that time, how easy it was to get dazzled or think superficially... a man forms his character much later, so at 18 years old, a person is just a child, and it is very difficult to deal with enormous responsibilities like he does, after all, he is responsible for completely changing the history of his own family... it must be something complicated to deal with.

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Quote from: Pumared on December 30, 2024, 11:13:35 AM

I also think that when Endrick gets the ball he looks like any other player from the suburbs. The goal he scored for the national team was nothing special in my opinion.

He himself, for me, is no different from any other Brazilian player who plays in the A series. I don't know what his potential is, but I hope they are working on it a lot.

With the exception of Raphinha, all the promising Brazilian players at European clubs have seen their transfer market value fall.

I still think Endrick should have stayed at least 2 more years at Palmeiras in brazilian football to gain experience, since the European standard of football is more demanding and more aggressive. The level of technique is higher and more competitive.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 30, 2024, 10:04:10 AM

What do you think about this movement that is happening in Brazilian football, where most clubs are becoming SAFs? I recently read that Felipe Melo left Fluminense and was negotiating the acquisition of Americano-RJ through SAFs, and several recently retired players seem to be going for this type of investment. What is your opinion about this?

The SAF movement seems to have created a trend in brazilian football, it seems to be a path of no return, but as you said, there is no point if the team is managed by someone who does not have the necessary experience to lead a team and provide good management.

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Quote from: Pumared on December 30, 2024, 11:13:35 AM

Regarding SAFs, it is a beneficial movement that all teams should adopt as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will be swallowed up in debt and bureaucracy of the current model. If the negotiation is well done, the team can keep everything the way it wants without changing much.

I think this initial SAF movement is quite valid, but we have some cases where it caused confusion, such as Vasco, where the case even ended up in court. When a company is an expert in the subject, I support the initiative, but what seems to be happening is a bunch of adventurers and ex-players who don't understand anything about the business starting to invest in small teams, this could be a big problem, because bad management could end these clubs once and for all, even if they are SAF.

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Quote from: Pumared on December 30, 2024, 11:13:35 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 30, 2024, 10:04:10 AM

What do you think about this movement that is happening in Brazilian football, where most clubs are becoming SAFs? I recently read that Felipe Melo left Fluminense and was negotiating the acquisition of Americano-RJ through SAFs, and several recently retired players seem to be going for this type of investment. What is your opinion about this?

Regarding SAFs, it is a beneficial movement that all teams should adopt as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will be swallowed up in debt and bureaucracy of the current model. If the negotiation is well done, the team can keep everything the way it wants without changing much.

Can it really run smoothly and perfectly without any obstacles because you yourself must also understand that there are some teams that often make fatal mistakes, if negotiations are carried out and there is problem, isn't that actually loss?
Indeed, SAF can make football team get many benefits and conveniences in development efforts, but I sure that in the future there will definitely be some problems that are very possible to occur.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 29, 2024, 06:36:14 AM

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 28, 2024, 12:47:31 PM

Nilmar's problem was that he went to a weak team in Europe and couldn't adapt, and soon after that he returned to Brazil. In other words, he missed the "time" for a player to be successful outside of Brazil. The same thing happened with Gabigol. However, he was lucky enough to return to Brazil and still stand out a lot. But a career outside of Europe is very difficult. Gabigol was an atypical case. Generally, players who don't do well in Europe never manage to return and have great seasons....

One of the most recent promising players is Endrick. Although he has already started well at Real Madrid, he is still a reserve for Real Madrid. He should make the most of the opportunity when the coach gives him the chance to remain as a starter.

I still think he went to Europe too early. He should get more experience in brazilian football. I hope he is not another one of those cases mentioned by you guys.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 27, 2024, 08:29:35 AM

Soon we will have the São Paulo Junior Football Cup, the famous "copinha", there usually appear some very interesting players with a promising future. Do people here like to follow this championship too?

Now that you mention it, I don't follow this championship, but since it's a more youthful category, I think it's interesting to follow it... It's so good to look forward to seeing certain young players rise to prominence and then become superstars...

Still talking about this case of players who become superstars, I'm happy that Palmeiras was the only club that gave Endrick an opportunity, it's good to see a star player and say that it all started on your team.

Endrick is experiencing the same thing that happened with Vinicius Junior, but in Vinicius Junior's case it was even worse, because he spent a long time training and playing with Real Madrid B (Castilla) playing in the third division of Spanish football... Endrick is already with the main team, now he just needs to be calm and keep working and training and things will naturally start to happen.

I also think that when Endrick gets the ball he looks like any other player from the suburbs. The goal he scored for the national team was nothing special in my opinion.

He himself, for me, is no different from any other Brazilian player who plays in the A series. I don't know what his potential is, but I hope they are working on it a lot.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 30, 2024, 10:04:10 AM

What do you think about this movement that is happening in Brazilian football, where most clubs are becoming SAFs? I recently read that Felipe Melo left Fluminense and was negotiating the acquisition of Americano-RJ through SAFs, and several recently retired players seem to be going for this type of investment. What is your opinion about this?

Regarding SAFs, it is a beneficial movement that all teams should adopt as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will be swallowed up in debt and bureaucracy of the current model. If the negotiation is well done, the team can keep everything the way it wants without changing much.

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What do you think about this movement that is happening in Brazilian football, where most clubs are becoming SAFs? I recently read that Felipe Melo left Fluminense and was negotiating the acquisition of Americano-RJ through SAFs, and several recently retired players seem to be going for this type of investment. What is your opinion about this?

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 28, 2024, 09:12:24 PM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 28, 2024, 12:47:31 PM

Nilmar's problem was that he went to a weak team in Europe and couldn't adapt, and soon after that he returned to Brazil. In other words, he missed the "time" for a player to be successful outside of Brazil. The same thing happened with Gabigol. However, he was lucky enough to return to Brazil and still stand out a lot. But a career outside of Europe is very difficult. Gabigol was an atypical case. Generally, players who don't do well in Europe never manage to return and have great seasons....

One of the most recent promising players is Endrick. Although he has already started well at Real Madrid, he is still a reserve for Real Madrid. He should make the most of the opportunity when the coach gives him the chance to remain as a starter.

I still think he went to Europe too early. He should get more experience in brazilian football. I hope he is not another one of those cases mentioned by you guys.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 27, 2024, 08:29:35 AM

Soon we will have the São Paulo Junior Football Cup, the famous "copinha", there usually appear some very interesting players with a promising future. Do people here like to follow this championship too?

Now that you mention it, I don't follow this championship, but since it's a more youthful category, I think it's interesting to follow it... It's so good to look forward to seeing certain young players rise to prominence and then become superstars...

Still talking about this case of players who become superstars, I'm happy that Palmeiras was the only club that gave Endrick an opportunity, it's good to see a star player and say that it all started on your team.

Endrick is experiencing the same thing that happened with Vinicius Junior, but in Vinicius Junior's case it was even worse, because he spent a long time training and playing with Real Madrid B (Castilla) playing in the third division of Spanish football... Endrick is already with the main team, now he just needs to be calm and keep working and training and things will naturally start to happen.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 28, 2024, 12:47:31 PM

Nilmar's problem was that he went to a weak team in Europe and couldn't adapt, and soon after that he returned to Brazil. In other words, he missed the "time" for a player to be successful outside of Brazil. The same thing happened with Gabigol. However, he was lucky enough to return to Brazil and still stand out a lot. But a career outside of Europe is very difficult. Gabigol was an atypical case. Generally, players who don't do well in Europe never manage to return and have great seasons....

One of the most recent promising players is Endrick. Although he has already started well at Real Madrid, he is still a reserve for Real Madrid. He should make the most of the opportunity when the coach gives him the chance to remain as a starter.

I still think he went to Europe too early. He should get more experience in brazilian football. I hope he is not another one of those cases mentioned by you guys.

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 27, 2024, 08:29:35 AM

Soon we will have the São Paulo Junior Football Cup, the famous "copinha", there usually appear some very interesting players with a promising future. Do people here like to follow this championship too?

Now that you mention it, I don't follow this championship, but since it's a more youthful category, I think it's interesting to follow it... It's so good to look forward to seeing certain young players rise to prominence and then become superstars...

Still talking about this case of players who become superstars, I'm happy that Palmeiras was the only club that gave Endrick an opportunity, it's good to see a star player and say that it all started on your team.

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Yes, he was discovered at São Paulo, but the club where he was very successful in Brazil was Internacional do Rio Grande do Sul. There he became known throughout Brazil and managed to get a transfer to Europe to play for Chelsea. He scored the Brazilian goal in the fateful match against Germany, which Brazil lost 7-1. I still remember the narrator Galvão Bueno saying that he was a "boy who had joy in his legs" hahahahaha

I remember this player, and we thought the 2014 brasilian team was the worst compared to today lol Roll Eyes

Another great player who had everything to be a superstar and be among the best in the world was Nilmar, who played in the 2010 World Cup, I think, as well as Ganso.

How can we explain the phenomenon of these players who played brilliant football?

In 2010, people said that Ganso was better than Neymar.

Ganso really stalled at some point in his career. At the time he was very good, but over time he got worse and worse, while Neymar was flying.

I remember that about Nilmar too. But as far as I remember, it wasn't a big mania like Ganso and Neymar. He was more of a promise.

Nilmar's problem was that he went to a weak team in Europe and couldn't adapt, and soon after that he returned to Brazil. In other words, he missed the "time" for a player to be successful outside of Brazil. The same thing happened with Gabigol. However, he was lucky enough to return to Brazil and still stand out a lot. But a career outside of Europe is very difficult. Gabigol was an atypical case. Generally, players who don't do well in Europe never manage to return and have great seasons....

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 26, 2024, 06:22:25 PM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on December 26, 2024, 07:10:19 AM

Yes, he was discovered at São Paulo, but the club where he was very successful in Brazil was Internacional do Rio Grande do Sul. There he became known throughout Brazil and managed to get a transfer to Europe to play for Chelsea. He scored the Brazilian goal in the fateful match against Germany, which Brazil lost 7-1. I still remember the narrator Galvão Bueno saying that he was a "boy who had joy in his legs" hahahahaha

I remember this player, and we thought the 2014 brasilian team was the worst compared to today lol Roll Eyes

Another great player who had everything to be a superstar and be among the best in the world was Nilmar, who played in the 2010 World Cup, I think, as well as Ganso.

How can we explain the phenomenon of these players who played brilliant football?

In 2010, people said that Ganso was better than Neymar.

Ganso really stalled at some point in his career. At the time he was very good, but over time he got worse and worse, while Neymar was flying.

I remember that about Nilmar too. But as far as I remember, it wasn't a big mania like Ganso and Neymar. He was more of a promise.

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